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Ave Dominus Nox wrote:
I remembers on 1d4chan ( bare with me) it stated that some Raptor Cults might worship Malice, so that makes sense to me. I'm sure Raptor Cults (the ones that act as mercenaries) are going to come into contact with forces of various powers.

Malice only has one group of followers, the Sons of Malice. Hell we don't even know if he's an actual Chaos God, he only showed up once in one short story.

I wish he was a bona fide God. I'm sure he would/does attract less chaotic traitors. On a side note it seems the Forgeworld team hasn't forgotten about the Sons of Malice as they were featured in IA13, barely but still.

Black Legion wouldn't be Khorne exclusive. They have warbands from the whole spectrum and even have champions that drop and swap allegiances. They're just as undivided as the Word Bearers but for different reasons.

Were the Black Legion considered Undivided in the Rogue Trader days?

MarsNZ wrote:
Black Legion wouldn't be Khorne exclusive. They have warbands from the whole spectrum and even have champions that drop and swap allegiances. They're just as undivided as the Word Bearers but for different reasons.

They're certainly not Khorne exclusive, they're supposed to be the vanilla/leader Legion representative of the FoC.

However Abaddon is a pretty Khorne-like individual.

Also, if they have warbands each dedicated to a certain god, that would make them a mixed, but not undivided legion. There's a distinct difference.






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Ave Dominus Nox wrote:
The old Rogue Trader days had Night Lords aligned with Khorne. I believe this was due to the fact that he embodied murder as well as rage and war. I don't see the connection between Slaanesh and Night Lords.

Yeah I've already addressed that in my previous post.

Maximus Bitch wrote:

pelicaniforce wrote:

OH, and, the Night Lords first appeared in Slaves to Darkness as Khornate.

Yeah, heard about that. And the Iron Warriors were Slaaneshi too. Guess they hadn't finalized the Legion attributes at that time.

As Curze said to Vulkan, "Don’t confuse me with our hot-headed sibling (Angron)."

As for the Iron Warriors being Slaaneshi, it can't be now, if you've read Angel Exterminatus this would be clear.


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 Iron_Captain wrote:
If the Iron Hands would ever fall to Chaos it would be to Slaanesh, not Nurgle. Nurgle is too fond of flesh (preferably rotting and diseased) while the Iron Hands strive to get rid of the flesh and become like machines. Those things do not really go along.
The Iron Hands would fall to Slaanesh because of their constant drive towards more strenght and perfection as well as their supressed emotions.
Night Lords would be more Nurgle, as they are all about despair.

The Night Lords are more for fear.

Also, if the Iron Hands fell to Slaanesh, wouldn't it be rather ironic? (excuse the lame pun)

Because Fulgrim killed Ferrus so they must be really against Slaaneshi followers in particular. And since when is it Slaaneshi to suppress on'e emotions?


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 Wyzilla wrote:

Ave Dominus Nox wrote:
I remembers on 1d4chan ( bare with me) it stated that some Raptor Cults might worship Malice, so that makes sense to me. I'm sure Raptor Cults (the ones that act as mercenaries) are going to come into contact with forces of various powers.

Malice only has one group of followers, the Sons of Malice. Hell we don't even know if he's an actual Chaos God, he only showed up once in one short story.

Aren't the copyrights for Malice still under someone else?

Maximus Bitch wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
The best Night Lord fluff has them not worshiping chaos at all, just being rebels to the core.
Black legion supports marking yourself with one god, but working together with others from different gods, giving no overall prefference to any of the gods.
Iron Warriors resist mutation. I cant seem them going to Nurgle.
Alpha Legion also do not actively worship chaos.

Night Lords are in denial hahaha they are practically like Dark Eldar Slaaneshi maniacs
Maybe the Iron Warriors detest the random Tzeentchian mutations, and take more to Nurgle instead?
Alpha Legion may not worship, but they pretty steeped in sorcery, mutations and daemonic gak. Besides, they are clearly Tzeentchian.
The Black Legion is indeed kinda "mixed", but Abaddon, Devram Korda and Urkathos are Khorne boys. Skyrak is for Nurgle and of course Ygethmor is for Tzeentch.

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 Hansisaf wrote:

Khonsu wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
most of the unaligned Legions are apt to have cults devoted to all of the chaos gods somewhere in their ranks. obviously some are apt to be more appealing then others. Iron warriors for example, we know have khornites among their ranks. these are proably the most savage of their savage breach fighters.
But I suspect they have equal proponets of other gods. while they likely don;t have plague marines, anyone whom knows much about seiges is going to know Nurgle would likely take an intreast in the iron warriors, just for example

Iron Warriors consider mutations something bad, I'd bet they don't have many Nurglites and Slaaneshis, Besides their Bloodlust was described(Even Pre heresy) to be bordering on the same bloodlust as the World Eaters and the Blood Angels.

Mutations is mostly Tzeentch, right?

Yes, But they don't like to sully their bodies with mutations, Nurglites are mutated beyond recognition.

 Rippy wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
If the Iron Hands would ever fall to Chaos it would be to Slaanesh, not Nurgle. Nurgle is too fond of flesh (preferably rotting and diseased) while the Iron Hands strive to get rid of the flesh and become like machines. Those things do not really go along.
The Iron Hands would fall to Slaanesh because of their constant drive towards more strenght and perfection as well as their supressed emotions.
Night Lords would be more Nurgle, as they are all about despair.

I kind of respectfully disagree, the Iron Hands think that flesh is weak, hence the wish to change flesh with mechanical parts. What better way than to replace weak flesh with zombie flesh whose constitution doesn't matter; they feel no pain. That makes me want to put some Iron Hand Nurgle followers in my army, complete with rusty metal limbs haha.

The Iron legions are no-nonsense types, with the Iron Warriors wishing to use the power of Nurgle to bring fortresses crumbling into ruin.

The Iron Hands like to replace their normal parts, while the Iron Warriors are said to replace mutated limbs.

Assuming the Iron Warriors are Nurglesque with an aversion to Tzeentch, they may feel cheesed off when Tzeentch turns their fingers into rape tentacles, but happily accept invulnerable zombie flesh.


So people, pls read through what others have said, otherwise you'll repeat it unnecessarily.

Maximus Bitch wrote:

They're certainly not Khorne exclusive, they're supposed to be the vanilla/leader Legion representative of the FoC.

However Abaddon is a pretty Khorne-like individual.

Also, if they have warbands each dedicated to a certain god, that would make them a mixed, but not undivided legion. There's a distinct difference.

Yes I've heard the argument that they are essentially Ultramarine status among the traitors. It makes some sense but the argument is usually diluted by the erroneous statements about '13 failed crusades' and 'no arms' that usually follow it.

Abaddon is Khorne-like how? He's good in melee? I don't really see where you're coming from. If anything his grand scheme to destroy the Emperor one crusade at a time leans much more towards Tzeentch than anything. He's certainly not insane like many of the Blood Gods famous followers.

The bulk of the Legion is undivided. Being mixed and undivided is not mutually exclusive. Undivided worship views the gods as aspects of a greater whole, by temporarily aligning with one they are not abandoning their undivided status. Of course you have the hard-core cult units among the Black Legion as well, to which that wouldn't apply, as well as renegades who tag along simply because they have nowhere better to turn to and aren't really involved with worship at all.

I agree with MarsNZ in regards to Abaddon, he doesn't seem to be Khornate at all. I remember reading a story about how some Iron Warriors would pray to the blood god ( maybe not pray but something to do with Khorne) right before they breached the defenses.
@Maximus- Is this your fanfic background?

Maximus Bitch wrote:


Aren't the copyrights for Malice still under someone else?

The copyright for Malal is, not Malice.