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Isn't he an upgrade to a tank commander? You pay for the tank commander and then pay more to make him pask.

He then ceases to be a tank commander and becomes Knight Commander Pask which is not a tank commander

 CrownAxe wrote:
You can't take Pask in the Steel Host formation because he's not a Tank Commander

He is an upgrade for a Tank Commander, so he is legal to take in that formation just the same as any other upgrade for the Russ.

 CrownAxe wrote:
You can't take Pask in the Steel Host formation because he's not a Tank Commander

He is an upgrade to a tank commander. Check the codex. "One Tank commander may be upgraded to Knight Commander Pask". Pask is an upgrade like a hull mounted lascannon or camo netting. If you can't take Pask, you can't take sponson weapons neither.

When a TC turns into Pask it ceases to be a Tank Commander as it is now Knight Commander Pask. Sponsons have nothing to do with it.

 CrownAxe wrote:
When a TC turns into Pask it ceases to be a Tank Commander as it is now Knight Commander Pask. Sponsons have nothing to do with it.

It doesn't turn into, it's a Tank commander, with Pask upgrade. Like a LR with sponson multi-melta upgrade.

What is Knight Commander Pask? He is a tank commander. He just happens to be an amazing tank commander and we know his name.
Gunnery Sergeant Harker is a Sergeant.
Creed is a Senior Officer.

Just because we know the names of these characters doesn't mean they don't still have their ranks.

 CrownAxe wrote:
You can't take Pask in the Steel Host formation because he's not a Tank Commander

Under the tank commander slot. It's says you may upgrade a tank commander to pask. Doesnt say you can't upgrade you tank commander. If that were the case then you wouldn't have to take the tank partner in formation because the formation says 1 tank commander. It doesn't say 1 tank commander squadron like the russ squadron or 1 hydra. Not hydra battery.

Yeah, I am of the opinion that Pask can become the Tank Commander due to the logic mentioned by tankboy145!

Otherwise my tank commander would not have a buddy... it does not mention that I have to take a squad... just a tank commander.

I am almost certain that the tank commander in the Red Waaggghhh did not have a tank "buddy".

Why would having a Squadron make a Tank Commander cease to be a Tank Commander?

Guys, can we all agree to tell CrownAxe that he's right, then just put him on block and move on with our lives?

 tomjoad wrote:
Guys, can we all agree to tell CrownAxe that he's right, then just put him on block and move on with our lives?

I wouldn't even tell him he's right. I would just rather move on with everyone else seeing as everyone else is under the logic that knight commander pask is indeed a tank commander.

I can kinda see his point but, on the other hand, Pask is just a Tank Commander with a fancy name. I don't have the book so I can't make a clear judgement on it.

Now that I have my codex in hand For all those who DON'T think pask is a tank commander. Pg 92 of the codex, second bullet point under special rules for pask says "leman russ commander"...now flip to page 32 for tank commanders. Under "SPECIAL RULES" Read " Leman Russ Commander"....whats the first 3 words?.... "A Tank Commander"...do I now need to continue this debate of whether pask is a tank commander or not? Because I think I've proven that he is a tank commander under his special rule which makes him a candidate for your tank commander of the Steal host.

I am curious as to what the minimum number of tanks needed to run this formation.
Does the tank commander need to be two tanks, or just one tank commander on their own?

Also is there anything stopping you taking models from IA1 to make up this formation?

 King Pyrrhus wrote:
I am curious as to what the minimum number of tanks needed to run this formation.
Does the tank commander need to be two tanks, or just one tank commander on their own?

Also is there anything stopping you taking models from IA1 to make up this formation?

You need to take a valid choice for each element in a formation. So 2 tanks for the tank commander, 1 for the squadrons. I don't know about IA. If it says Leman Russ squadron, then you can take it. If it doesn't, then you can't. The squadron is the important part, and it's unlikely that IA uses this wording, as it was released before the 6th ed codex if I'm right. And if I recall correctly, you can only take LRs in the LR squadron of the codex that come from the list in the entry. So it's likely you can't take IA LRs. RAW. Otherwise negotiate with your opponent/event organizer.

Actually there's debate about the tank commander because the formation says you take 1 tank commander....not the tank commanders squadron. Under the tank commanders entry in the codex it says that tank coommanders "squadron" must take another 1-2 russes....but your not taking the tank commanders squadron and just a tank commander.

 tankboy145 wrote:
Actually there's debate about the tank commander because the formation says you take 1 tank commander....not the tank commanders squadron. Under the tank commanders entry in the codex it says that tank coommanders "squadron" must take another 1-2 russes....but your not taking the tank commanders squadron and just a tank commander.

The name of the HQ entry is Tank commander, and you must include that in Steel host. That entry comes with the restriction that it must come with another tank (if you wouldn't need that, you could use Pask all by himself).

Also you can't take "just a tank commander" and put him on a regular LR. LRs are HS choice, with no option to have a Tank commander, while Tank commanders are HQ.

Damn, wasn't sure if it was like the hydra where it says must include 1 hydra. But doesn't say you can take a hydra battery so you can only take one hydra.

Honestly I don't think Pask can be taken, usually because when formations allow characters to be taken they tend to say "generic unit OR special character." But that's just me, I can see why people argue for Pask.

You do need the Leman Russ for the Tank Commanders Squadron. Although the rules in the formation never specify the Tank Commanders squadron, BUT, you do have to follow the rules specified in the Codex entry unless the formation directly states otherwise, and the formation never says the Tank Commander runs alone.

But it does just say a tank commander. It doesn't say the tank commanders squadron. Just like the hydra. It doesn't say hydra battery so you can't take anymore.

Then entry under the tank commander says his squadron must include an addiction 1-2 russes, but you aren't taking a leman russ squadron.

The tank commander entry says he rides in a leman russ, not part of a leman russ squadron. Then it further says his squadron must include an additional 1-2 russes. But you aren't taking a squadron. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that's the wording. And yes you follow the rules for the codex but the formation has its specific requirements as well.