Kings of War Fantasy Battle Game - 2nd Edition by Mantic Games Kickstarter (Live and funded)

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**adamsouza**

I would like larger undead, like Undead Ogres.

Something beefier than an Ogre Zombie/Skeleton, like Ogre Revenants

**adamsouza**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm going to go with the working assumption that anything in Dungeon Saga WILL become a unit before long. They aren't a company big enough (yet) to ignore an already tooled mold for something like Undead Trolls.

I was unaware as I didn't follow Dungeon Saga.

That troll will do nicely.

and I guess that means this is what we can look forward to for the Abyss

**adamsouza**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to find rules for Dungeon Saga's figures in Kings of War (and vice versa, for that matter).

Board game pieces or not, zombie trolls would certainly fill an interesting niche in an undead army.

Plus, I can remember seeing quite a few people out there who padded their fantasy armies with Battlemaster figures back in the day! No different than that really.

My first Undead Army for Warhammer Fantasy had units made up mostly of Heroquest Skeletons and Zombies. I must have bought six boxes of Heroquest just to bulk up on baddies

**adamsouza**

Zond wrote:
I'm in for a dollar. Not sure if I want the rules or models or even anything however plenty of time to make my mind up.

Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to share you general apathy for the KoW2 KS

I just noticed that those all say Kickstarter Exclusive.

Still hoping they make nonhuman undead models.

Ogres have an entire army, aren't there enough dead Ogres around for necromancers to raise ?

**adamsouza**

I don't have any issue with using board game plastic minis if they provide more variety to available forces.

**adamsouza**

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
From the KS comments just now

@ Rob - there won't be any more hard plastic for the Forces of the Abyss for the time being sorry!

so to me that suggest that the might have a single sprues (probably no more) worth of time at the factory left and they're holding on to it at the moment in case we reach the forces of nature

They have the DS Abyssal Warrior, Moloch, Effrit, Hellhound, and tortured soul to fall back on to fill the Abyssal ranks.

With 10 Days left they've already hit 7 times their goal to get the books printed, maybe they are trying to keep this KS contained to something they can ship on time.

**adamsouza**

Possible OCD on my part, but it bothers me that all the Mega-Starter Army deals depic the full model count, except the forces of the Abyss, which has a model count of 131 and depicts 11.

**adamsouza**

Adam Souza wrote: Any chance of fat little Orcling sized Forces of The Abyss models on the Lower Abyssals and Succibi Sprues ?
Tiny Devils would be cool

Mantic Games wrote: @ Adam - Yep!

@ Marcin - what would make the range for you? I've got at least three more "things" for the Forces of the Abyss in the plan

This news is full of win

**adamsouza**

sukura636 wrote:
highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Whoever is answering the comments wasn't sure what exactly that dragon is going to be made out of.

I hope Mantic would consider just making a flat out hard plastic modular dragon kit. That would be pretty rocking. Give it options (like they said) for a neck with a saddle to accommodate a mounted rider, maybe some armored pieces...

A nice generic dragon kit could serve a lot of uses across a lot of games!

Would cost an arm, a leg, and part of your soul to tool.

The Reaper Bones line is already infested with dragons, all you need is the appropriate rider

More importantly, why isn't anyone talking about Batman sneaking into KoW ?

**adamsouza**

A Mammoth Revenant would make a suitable Undead chariot

**adamsouza**

KoW Stategy Thread in the Mantic section. On top of the excellent advice contained within there are links to guides for new players on Orcs, Undead, Kindgom of Man, and Abyssal Dwarves. You should check it out.

**adamsouza**

I'm a big fan of the tactical manuvering in KoW. The only other game I played where manuvering felt this important was BattleFleet Gothic.

**adamsouza**

Forest Fires

Just an update to let you know that we've just got the Abyssal Iffrit funded and locked in!!

With this stretch goal broken, we’ve now included the Abyssal Iffrit free in every Forces of the Abyss Mega-Starter Army. You can add on these on to your pledge for $100, or choose it as your choice of Mega-Starter Army as part of a God of War pledge.

You can also add on the Abyssal Iffrit with alternate options for $8.

Next up: BONUS $220,000 - Forest Shamblers!

When the Elves of the Glades go to war, even the forests themselves animate. These ogre-sized creatures are lumbering and implacable, able to crush smaller opponents with a single blow. Often their slowness is mistaken for stupidity by the lesser races, but this could not be further from the truth – Shamblers think at the same pace as the trees around them – and when you are a walking tree, speed is not of the essence.

Quick amendment to the last update – we did say the Forest Shamblers can be featured in Good and Neutral armies.

Well, the Forest Shamblers are part of the Elf (Good aligned) and Forces of Nature army, which are Neutral aligned, meaning that even Evil armies can take them as well. That means they’ll fight for anyone of the armies on offer here!

When we break this goal, we will include a set of metal 3 Forest Shamblers in the Elf Mega-Starter Army ($100). You can include this Mega-Starter Army in a pledge of God of War ($150) and Early Bird) or add one on to your existing pledges.

You can also add on a set of the Forest Shamblers for $15 to your pledge.

That’s it for now – but with only 6 days of the campaign left to go, don’t be surprised to find a surprise update winging its way to you later today

Let us know in the comments what you want to see next the most. Until then, onwards!

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Mantic confirmed on the KS thread that they have Molochs and 1 other item planned for additions to Abyss before the end of the KS, and it is not Hellhounds

Also Ogres will be getting something new, that is not Ogre Calvary
"we won't be doing any Ogre Cavalry, too big and too expensive sorry"

**adamsouza**

It's at nearly 10 times it funding goal with 5 days remaining, so I can't see Mantic being very dissapointed.

Ronnie did an interview 2 weeks before the KS where he said Mantic wasn't expecting, or pushing, for this KS to be big. They wanted to fund the Book + Plastic Abyssals with anything after that being gravy.

**adamsouza**

I'm just really suprised they didn't throw in the Dungeon Siege Abyssals as an add-on or stretch goal.

**adamsouza**

Tamereth wrote:
Still feeling underwhelmed by this Kickstarter, there's just not been enough new stuff.

New Edtion of the game
New Counters
New Army Creator App
New Chess Clock App
New Map of Mantica
New Campaign Book
New Tyrant Blaine
New Necromancer
New Soul Reavers
New Mage Quuen
New Forest Shamblers
New War Wizard
New Arbalest
New Ogre Shaman
New Lower Abyssals
New Abyssal Magi
New Abyssal Imps
New Abyssal Succubi
New Abyssal Champion
New Abyssal Iffrit
New Elf King On Dragon
New Basilean Lord On Dragon
New Abyssal Supreme Isoncaster on Greater Winged Abyssal
New Dwarf Warsmith
New Orc War Drums
New Army Specific Dice
New Ogre Beserker Braves

**adamsouza**

How good are the Crazy box deals ? I've never bought or seen one.

**adamsouza**

There were points totals listed earlier in the thread.. They were all within a few hundred points of each other, with Undead being the highest, if I remember correctly. No way to tell for Abyssals, since their army is getting a complete rules overhaul to go with the new models.

**adamsouza**

The Fires of the Abyss Rise Once More!

We hope everyone had their fill of Thanksgiving Dinner if you celebrated the festivities yesterday, and everyone has had their fill of the Army Boosters we posted up.

No? Then go check them out on the home page

In this update, we unleash a new pledge level, a new stretch goal, more goodies and give you a little hint of what’s to come over the weekend.

Let’s do this!

UNLOCKED! Ogre Berserker Braves

The Ogre Berserker Braves are locked in and funded! As a neutral aligned Large Infantry unit, these brutes will fight for any army, Good, Evil or Neutral.

The Ogre Berserker Braves have been added to the Ogre Mega-Starter Army ($100), which you can add on to your pledge or choose as part of a God of War pledge.

NEW! BONUS $250,000 - Abyssal Molochs

Molochs are solitary creatures of a similar stature and strength to an Ogre. Operating in small packs, these creatures are the heavy hitters of the Abyssal hordes, finding themselves directed to where the fighting is fiercest. As likely to turn on one another as to fight the enemy, they are nevertheless useful as a distraction to an opposing army if nothing else.

If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce a set of metal Molochs will alternative weapons. These can be fielded by any Evil or Neutral aligned army, and are different sculpts from the one in Dungeon Saga.

You can add on the Abyssal Molochs for $15 to your pledge. We will include a set of 3 Abyssal Molochs in the Forces of the Abyss Mega-Starter Army ($100).

You can include this Mega-Starter Army in a pledge of God of War ($150) and Early Bird) or add one on to your existing pledges.

NEW! Goblin Warmachines

Yesterday we funded the War Drum for the Orcs, today we’ve also got a little special something for our Goblin cousins…

Goblin Sharpstick Thrower

Whether the Goblins saw Elven bolt throwers and decided to try and copy them, or whether they just got the idea on their own of a large contraption to fling spears at the enemy is not really clear. Crudely built as the Sharpstick Thrower appears, there is no denying its effectiveness, the mechanism propelling the spear at such velocity that a lucky hit will pierce even the thickest armour.

Goblin Rock Lobber

Like the Sharpstick thrower, it is not clear whether this contraption was an attempt to copy other, more elegant designs or just an idea that the Goblins hit upon. Looking like nothing so much as a giant, slightly wobby catapult, this war engine lobs large misshapen rocks at the enemy from far behind the lines. This alone explains the enthusiasm of those Goblins lucky enough to crew one, and the fights that break out amongst them for the honour in the first place.

Above we have got the Goblin Sharpstick Thrower and Goblin Rock Lobber. The kit includes one chassis and crew plus weapon options to build either a Sharpstick Thrower or Rock Lobber.

No stretch goal required! You can now add on the Goblin Warmachine to your pledge for $15.

We will also include two Goblins Warmachines in the Goblin Mega-Starter Army – This way you can build either 2 Sharpstick Throwers, 2 Rock Lobbers, or one of each.

NEW! Basius by Wargames Bakery

Our friends over at Wargames Bakery have created Basius, a fantastic double sided pad for creating your own textured bases for your miniatures!

Want to know more about Basius before adding it on to your pledge?

Click here to find out more about the Kings of War Pad and all it's details. For How-To guides and more from Wargames Bakery, you can go to their website here.

New Pledge Level

The new limited Ultimate Tyrant pledge is live - perfect if you want all the armies or have friends or local club players who want to get into Kings of War together. For $850 you get:

- a God of War pledge ($150), including any 2 Starter Armies or 1 Mega-Starter Army

- Any 8 Mega-Starter Armies ($800)

That’s one $100 Mega-Starter Army totally free!

If we end up doing a new Mega-Starter Army (Force of Nature?), then we’ll include that one free as well.

These are only available in highly limited numbers, so grab them before they’re gone.

And finally…

Reckon we should tackle this next? In Hard Plastic?

Let us know in the comments XD

**adamsouza**

What Faction do Dragonmen belong to ?

**adamsouza**

I know the Abyssal Army is undergoing a rewrite, but I really hope they do something with the Moloch stat line

Molochs Large Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
Troop (3) 5 4+ – 4+ 12 12/14 120
Regiment (6) 5 4+ – 4+ 24 15/17 200
Special: Crushing Strength (1)

Lower Abyssals Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
Troop (10) 5 4+ – 4+ 20 11/13 115
Regiment (20) 5 4+ – 4+ 20 14/16 150
Horde (40) 5 4+ – 4+ 40 21/23 285

The only reason to take them over the Lower Abyssals is to get crushing Strength(1), for 5 points more, with 8 less attacks.

Ogre Beserker Braves are comperable, but for 20 points more you get 3 more attacks and Headstrong

Ogre Berserker Braves Large Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
Troop (3) 6 4+ – 4+ 15 12/14 140
Regiment (6) 6 4+ – 4+ 30 15/17 225
Special: Headstrong, Crushing Strength (1)

Ogre Warriors Large Infantry
Unit Size Sp Me Ra De At Ne Pts
(1) 6 3+ – 5+ 3 10/12 45
Troop (3) 6 3+ – 5+ 9 12/14 115
Regiment (6) 6 3+ – 5+ 18 15/17 190
Special: Crushing Strength (1)
Options
• Exchange shields with two-handed weapons for free
(lower Defence to 4+, but gain Crushing Strength (2))

Ogre Warriors have 3 fewer attacks but 1 better Me and De for 5 points less
They can even trade that extra point of De for a second level of Crushing Strength

**adamsouza**

Compel wrote:
Ever get the feeling a meme has just flown completely over your head?

Yeah, the Highlord thing made me feel like Drax

**adamsouza**

Baragash wrote:
GrimDork wrote:
Supposedly they are rebuilding the abyssal list from the ground up. And rebalancing all everything.

Nothing "supposed" about it, the alpha draft(s) were done before KoW2 started

Please make Molochs not suck

**adamsouza**

The Abyssals have a very Devilsh vibe, and I like it. The only thing I'm not thrilled about is they haven't added the DS Abyssals as an add on.

**adamsouza**

Update #24

Nov 29 2014

Return of the Tyrant
There are just two days left of the Kings of War Kickstarter campaign and we’re continuing the onslaught on Black Friday weekend with:

- The return of the terrible Tyrant pledge

- Great news for Spanish and German Backers

Return of the Tyrant

Who knew that the Ultimate Tyrant pledge would be so popular?

After two additional batches being added overnight, we’re still getting messages from backers who wanted one but missed it. And we can’t let you down, so we’ve put up another batch.

For $850 it will get you:

- a God of War pledge ($150), including any 2 Starter Armies or 1 Mega-Starter Army

- Any 8 Mega-Starter Armies ($800)

That’s one $100 Mega-Starter Army totally free. When we fund the new Nature Mega-Starter Army, we'll include that too.

Kings of War Language Editions

Kings of War llega a España!

¡Nos enorgullece anunciar que Miniaturama será el distribuidor oficial de la edición española de Kings of War!

Se encargarán de la traducción y distribución del reglamento en tapa dura, y también producirán le edición reducida del mismo que será incluida en el nuevo pack de Inicio para Dos Jugadores cuando éste salga al mercado.

Kings of War kommt nach Deutschland!

Wir freuen uns bekannt geben zu können, dass Radaddel der offizielle Distributor der deutschen Edition von Kings of War wird!

Sie werden das deutsche Hardcover-Buch übersetzen und vertreiben.

Eine professionelle Übersetzung in einem hochwertigen Regelbuch ist eine fantastische Gelegenheit für den deutschen Markt. Wir wollten Kings of War schon immer weltweit und in möglichst viele Sprachen anbieten.

Die eleganten, sorgfältig gestalteten Regeln sprechen Veteranen und Einsteiger gleichermaßen an.

Dies ist ein wichtiger Schritt auf unserem Weg Kings of War so vielen Spielern wie möglich zugänglich zu machen.

And finally...

We are over half way there until we fund the Salamanders. It's shaping up to be a great weekend!

**adamsouza**

Pfft, remember when GW used to make Metal Dreadnaughts and Dragons ?

**adamsouza**

Update #25 Nov 29 2014

Call of the Wild

You’ve done it, you’ve smashed aside our latest stretch goal: the Salamanders!

Epic work!

So, with the Salamander funded, we will now sculpt, tool and produce them in hard plastic. You can get a set of 20 figures with options for hand weapons and shields or great weapons for $15.

The Salamanders are a new unit choice for the Forces of the Abyss, who can field them as heavy infantry. They also form the foundation of the new Forces of Nature army list which, as a neutral faction, means they can also be fielded by any other good, neutral or evil army as per the ally rules - so there's no excuse not to add some Salamanders on to your pledge.

The Salamanders will be added alongside the Forest Shamblers into a Forces of Nature Starter ($50) and Forces of Nature Mega-Starter Army ($100). These will get filled up between now and the end.

The Starter Army ($50) contents begins at:

- 20 Salamanders (which can be armed with hand weapon and shields or two handed weapons)

- 3 Forest Shamblers

- ?????????????????

The Mega-Starter Army ($100) begins at:

- ?????????????????

- 40 Salamanders (which can be armed with hand weapon and shields or two handed weapons)

- 6 Forest Shamblers

- ?????????????????

- ?????????????????

If you’re super confident of beating our next goals, you could go ahead and pledge for an additional army now - remember you don’t make your choices on armies until after the campaign has finished, which gives us plenty of time to get them funded. And if we don’t break them all, you can always choose something else ☺

NEW! BONUS $285,000 – Forces of Nature Druid
Druids command the very power of nature itself, drawing power from the elements around them. Unlike the raw destructive power of magic, the elemental energy Druids draw on is far subtler, able to be used to either heal and create or to visit precise but deadly ruin on those who would stand against them. Though fey and otherworldy in appearance, they are as deadly as any battle wizard.

When we hit this stretch goal, we will produce the Druid hero for the Forces of Nature army. This metal miniature will come with alternate components to build it in different variants.

We need your help in choosing a direction for the Druid – do you like a) a Druid based on the more wild woman look?

Or b) a Druid based on a more subtler look?

The concept art above is for illustrative purposes only and is of the Living Legend Ceris figure, a Kickstarter reward for our Eternal Warrior backer from the original Kings of War Kickstarter. Chris pledged to have himself, his wife and his two dogs sculpted and produced into miniatures for the Forces of Nature.

Let us know what route you would like us to go down in the comments.

Once this stretch goal is broken, we will make the Druid available to add-on for $8. We will also include one in the Forces of Nature Mega-Starter Army ($100) which we will continue to fill up as we knock over new stretch goals.

This means that the contents of the Forces of Nature Mega-Starter army ($100) will be:

- Druid with alternate components

- 40 Salamander armed with hand weapon and shield or two handed weapons

- 6 Salamanders

- ?????????????????

- ?????????????????

And then?

WORK IN PROGRESS ART

WORK IN PROGRESS ART

Let us know what you think in the comments!

After we have funded this, we’ll be looking at fleshing out the Forces of Nature Starter/Mega-Starter army sets as well as continuing to produce miniatures that fill in the gaps in existing ranges. We know you Abyssal Dwarf fans are keen for something and we’ll be delivering on that before the end of the final day!

Until next time!

**adamsouza**

Fish people are going to look stupid no matter how you do them, unless you make them look more like scary monsters, which I don't think is what they are striving of. They're shooting for Elves under the sea.

**adamsouza**

Siygess wrote:Mantic should totally do a Fishman hero who looks like Aquaman. Just saying.

I had the same thought. I would also accept Mermaid Man, or Sub Mariner.

AlexHolker wrote:
adamsouza wrote:
Fish people are going to look stupid no matter how you do them, unless you make them look more like scary monsters, which I don't think is what they are striving of.

Rubbish. Mermaids have been a part of the public consciousness for centuries, and Atlantean-types have been handled well by the likes of Magic: the Gathering.
.

A mermaid is a legendary aquatic creature with the upper body of a female human and the tail of a fish.

This is a mermaid

These are refugees from Darksun standing around at the beach

They look cooler, but nothing about them denotes aquatic. You could photoshop them into a desert and look like anyone from Darksun. The most aquatic thing they have going for them is their seafoam green skin.

This looks aquatic

They're shooting for Elves under the sea.

That's a problem, because Mantic elves are gak

I agree

**adamsouza**

.Mikes. wrote:
The Abyssal Fiend is effing monstrous!

Demon Prince big ?

$25 Demon Princes would come in handy.