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I dunno, some maybe, but the ordo Xenos have a clear ability to do eldar like manipulation when necessary!

I think neither Chaos or the Imperium would be able to manipulate the Orks. Instead what I think will happen is that in the next big event, where Chaos is just about to destroy the Imperium, the Orks show up with a galactic WAAAGH! to have good fight with dem Chaos boyz. Chaos are too busy defending themselves from so many Orks, and the Imperium licks it's wounds in the meantime.

 Exergy wrote:

A waaagh that size would cause chaos

The WAAAGH! will cause chaos to Chaos so that Chaos won't cause enough chaos to the Imperium. Later on the Imperium will try to eliminate the warlord to cause chaos to orks after they've caused enough chaos to Chaos.

Chaos!

Two weeks later you get a 'thank you' card from Mortarion along with a picture of fourteen billion Nurgle Orks.

Probably not! Orks are pretty resistant to nurgle diseases and even more unlikely to turn to nurgle worship because they are sick. More likely they would be confused, try to hit things with choppas, and melt into puddles.

 PhillyT wrote:
Probably not! Orks are pretty resistant to nurgle diseases and even more unlikely to turn to nurgle worship because they are sick. More likely they would be confused, try to hit things with choppas, and melt into puddles.

No they aren't, in fact we no for certain that Orks are susceptible to Nurgle's Rot, as are all things.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Two weeks later you get a 'thank you' card from Mortarion along with a picture of fourteen billion Nurgle Orks.

''How's that cardiac tattoo? '' - GK

Would orks also fall to khorn worship too? seems endless war and bloodshed are right up their ally.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Probably not! Orks are pretty resistant to nurgle diseases and even more unlikely to turn to nurgle worship because they are sick. More likely they would be confused, try to hit things with choppas, and melt into puddles.

No they aren't, in fact we no for certain that Orks are susceptible to Nurgle's Rot, as are all things.

Orks are resistant to Nurgles diseases in that if they do get infected, the other orks will kill him right away for being weak. Thus culling the weak, as well as getting ride of the Plague carriers.

Would orks also fall to khorn worship too? seems endless war and bloodshed are right up their ally.

No, Khorne is a dark god, while the orks think of war as a fun thing to do. Khorne is all about shedding blood, and killing. Orks are more about showing the universe who is boss, and just having a good time. Basically orks, for the most part, have a different mindset from Khorne, and as such don't usually worship him. Now it is not impossible, but it is highly unlikely, though there are orks who do worship Khorne, they are a really small minority in the whole of the ork race.

It's not "Blood for the blood god!" for orkses. It's more like "Blood for the heck of it!". And orkses love a good laugh. Not maniac balls out insane one. Just stupid fun.

willhman wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Probably not! Orks are pretty resistant to nurgle diseases and even more unlikely to turn to nurgle worship because they are sick. More likely they would be confused, try to hit things with choppas, and melt into puddles.

No they aren't, in fact we no for certain that Orks are susceptible to Nurgle's Rot, as are all things.

Orks are resistant to Nurgles diseases in that if they do get infected, the other orks will kill him right away for being weak. Thus culling the weak, as well as getting ride of the Plague carriers.

Would orks also fall to khorn worship too? seems endless war and bloodshed are right up their ally.

No, Khorne is a dark god, while the orks think of war as a fun thing to do. Khorne is all about shedding blood, and killing. Orks are more about showing the universe who is boss, and just having a good time. Basically orks, for the most part, have a different mindset from Khorne, and as such don't usually worship him. Now it is not impossible, but it is highly unlikely, though there are orks who do worship Khorne, they are a really small minority in the whole of the ork race.

In both cases Orks have fallen to the worship of Khorne and Nurgle.

In the case of Khorne, it was Angrons monolith on Armageddon that corrupted some of the feral orks (this is what the Relicators were looking for in the jungles while ignoring Daunte's orders).

In the case of Nurgle, there is a picture of a Nurgle Ork in one of the old codices and or books (said ork mistaked a shrine of Nurgle for one of Gork and Mork).

Also, Orks are fighting at the foot of Khornes throne (Tuska the daemon killa) and have been used to piggy back a nurgling infestation ahead of a Mortarian led - Death Guard advance (this is in the chaos 6th Edition codex). Even if their not vulnerable to nurgle's rot, some how Orks are still vulnerable to a bad case of mistaking a nurgling for a squig twinkie.

If they do beat back Abbadon, the Imperium has an army of super-orks to deal with now, who may go join the octavius war and become even stronger. Now we have a huge army of super powerful orks rampaging through the galaxy. If the Imperium can somehow "guide them" to new enemies, they'd have a fighting force they can use to conquer the galaxy. Then they have to find a way to get the army to destroy itself, which probably wouldn't be hard with all of the ork infighting. It would take Tzeentchian levels of dickery, but if they pulled it off it would be truly glorius.

Use a Assassin super team to take out the leadership of one of the orks, then sacrifice a few choice guard regiments/ SOB orders as bread crumbs to the now united orks so they go in the direction of the eye of terror, let the orks establish themselves in the battle, then send a space hulk full of genestealers into it also so you attract the tyrannids.

Basically, the three way will curb the potential for one side to get too strong and attack the imperium, and in the meantime the imperium of man can build up the biggest wall of ships ever to beat back or go in an defeat anything they need too.

As long as the orks get on cadia, the imperium can sit back, the orks aren't going to be that interested in the pylons, and providing abaddon carries on his relentless attempt to destroy them, the orks are going to love the constant battles so stay occupied.

In fact, sacrificing cadia for it to become a protected by orks and thus hold back anything coming through they EoT would be one of the best tactics the IoM could use to protect itself from the potential expansion of the EoT.

And than Abbaddon just says: "I'll come back next week" and occupies his crusade with another retreaving of a hidden artifact.

I imagine normal Orks look on Khorne worshipers as joyless and pretentious.

Sounds like a perfectly short-sighted Imperial plan. I doubt the Orks can beat a Black Crusade but it would certainly throw it off kilter. Also it fits the Imperial decline theme, just like the Romans hiring Germanic tribes to do their fighting for them.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
Probably not! Orks are pretty resistant to nurgle diseases and even more unlikely to turn to nurgle worship because they are sick. More likely they would be confused, try to hit things with choppas, and melt into puddles.

No they aren't, in fact we no for certain that Orks are susceptible to Nurgle's Rot, as are all things.

Like I said, they are resistant, not immune. They will still die, but they aren't going to worship Nurgle to avoid death. They likely wouldn't know to do so.

In the past (Freebooterz book era), Chaos tainted orks were outcasts from the main clans. But back then you could have Khorne Stormboyz and Chaos renegade Ork warbands with an Ork Chaos champion leading them.

They were all generally looked down upon by other Orks. Khorne Stormboyz took themselves to seriously and Chaos warbands are mentioned to be ridiculed for being unOrky.

To me is seems that Orks don't fall to Chaos in large numbers but are outriders/outcasts to the Orks main community. It looks like their resistance to Chaos is pretty good, but who
knows if that is still the case.

Not sure what is worse, dealing with Abbadon and Chaos or the the Ork forces that beat him. If I remember correctly, the Imperium has tried to "guide" Waaaggghs! before.
This just seems too dangerous to me, anything able to beat the Chaos problem will be an even bigger problem in the future. And in regards to Orks, litterally a bigger problem.

If you want the orks to attack your enemies, sometimes the best way is to attack them and get them riled up, and then retreat in the direction of your real target. When your close enough just disappear into a warp jump and let the orks assault abbadon thinking he must be part of the attackers forces. Like Malys did to obtain an STC from the IoM.

Redseer wrote:
If you want the orks to attack your enemies, sometimes the best way is to attack them and get them riled up, and then retreat in the direction of your real target. When your close enough just disappear into a warp jump and let the orks assault abbadon thinking he must be part of the attackers forces. Like Malys did to obtain an STC from the IoM.

Why can't Abaddon do the same thing?

 koooaei wrote:

Redseer wrote:
If you want the orks to attack your enemies, sometimes the best way is to attack them and get them riled up, and then retreat in the direction of your real target. When your close enough just disappear into a warp jump and let the orks assault abbadon thinking he must be part of the attackers forces. Like Malys did to obtain an STC from the IoM.

Why can't Abaddon do the same thing?

He could, I wasn't aware I said he couldn't. I just used abbadon as an example

 Warboss Gobslag wrote:
To me is seems that Orks don't fall to Chaos in large numbers but are outriders/outcasts to the Orks main community. It looks like their resistance to Chaos is pretty good, but who knows if that is still the case.

Chaos has little to offer that orks would want or need. Battle? Fun and games? (Both the same to an ork ofc) They have these things whenever they want. Power? Orks have power, real muscle and not some panzy warp dust.

Daemon ork prince. Meaner, greenerg choppier, fasta. Every ork wants dat.