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 Ouze wrote:
My stepson's ID does have a hologram-ish thing on it. It's the one that looks like this:

Stupid question: Does Military IDs actually have proof of age on it? None that I have seen have age on them from what I remember.

A lot of official IDs have no reference to age on them so it can help prove IDENTITY but not verify AGE. I have 2 different government 'credentials' which don't have my age on them but prove identity within the government.

Since Tobacco and Alcohol require the vendor to verify not identity but age, if the military ID doesn't have age on it... why should it be a valid ID for proof of age?

I don't think it has anything to do with being able to validate or fake... it simply doesn't prove your age and considering 17 year old minors can have military IDs it can't be assumed to be proof.

The new CAC IDs have DOB, but it's in a weird spot on the back.

 Hordini wrote:
You can use a military ID to buy alcohol, I'm not sure why anyone thinks you can't.

Now, the person checking could ask you for an alternate ID, but there's nothing saying they have to, and I doubt most people would. Just like a passport. You can buy alcohol with a passport too, but depending on where you're at (that is, if the person carding you has ever seen or knows what a passport is) your chances of being asked for alternate ID might increase or decrease.

The new CAC cards do not have a birth date on them, do they?

No birthdate, no way to prove the card holder is legal age to drink.

Not sure why a bouncer or bar tender would accept one...

Edit, never mind. They do, as mentioned, on the back (never really looked at the back too carefully).

 CptJake wrote:

 Hordini wrote:
You can use a military ID to buy alcohol, I'm not sure why anyone thinks you can't.

Now, the person checking could ask you for an alternate ID, but there's nothing saying they have to, and I doubt most people would. Just like a passport. You can buy alcohol with a passport too, but depending on where you're at (that is, if the person carding you has ever seen or knows what a passport is) your chances of being asked for alternate ID might increase or decrease.

The new CAC cards do not have a birth date on them, do they?

No birthdate, no way to prove the card holder is legal age to drink.

Not sure why a bouncer or bar tender would accept one...

Edit, never mind. They do, as mentioned, on the back (never really looked at the back too carefully).

Yeah, they do have a birth date on the back.

Lack of familiarity and being somewhat uncommon to many places seems to be the answer as to why they generally aren't accepted. There also isn't a law requiring their acceptance in bar/clubs either as far as I know. I imagine clubs/bars that are close to military installations are ok with them as they see them more often.

State ID, driver's licence here, think pass ports work as well.

Even if they do ask for ID in my area, people are generally too stupid to figure out the math on your DOB and refuse to sell you alcohol.

On the subject of ID, even my passport is treated with suspicion in my own country. The longest a cashier had it was about half a minute--filled with awkward periods of eye contact--before she started a game of twenty questions with me. "So your birthday's in _____, huh?" "Uh, no, it's in _____." "So that makes you, what, 19?" 21." "This passport looks pretty new, doesn't it?" "I don't go anywhere, I just use it for ID." "Then why not get a driver's licence?" Etc. Etc. Until I finally convince her that it's genuine, I'm 21, and I'm getting annoyed.

The CAC cards for the military has DOB on the back
DOB is on the lighter version picture of yourself on the back (One main version of picture on front and small one on hack

 Piston Honda wrote:
State ID, driver's licence here, think pass ports work as well.

Even if they do ask for ID in my area, people are generally too stupid to figure out the math on your DOB and refuse to sell you alcohol.

The IL ones had a red background part that said "Under 21 until mm-dd-YY" on them.

Of course, that didn't change the fact that those weren't accepted in most places even the date was past that time. A common ritual on your 21st was running out to get a fresh license, no matter the actual expiration date.

 daedalus wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
State ID, driver's licence here, think pass ports work as well.

Even if they do ask for ID in my area, people are generally too stupid to figure out the math on your DOB and refuse to sell you alcohol.

The IL ones had a red background part that said "Under 21 until mm-dd-YY" on them.

Of course, that didn't change the fact that those weren't accepted in most places even the date was past that time. A common ritual on your 21st was running out to get a fresh license, no matter the actual expiration date.

One thing we remember when serving alchohol is the year.
"Born after todays date in 1993, not alchohol"

nkelsch wrote:

Stupid question: Does Military IDs actually have proof of age on it? None that I have seen have age on them from what I remember.

My 180 day ID has birthdate on it, my old CAC card had it on there, and my current "spouse ID" card has it on the back


I think the military realized that for some, lesser educated people who enter the military, the DoD ID card can be the ONLY form of ID some people have (which I find hard to believe, since I had to use my Driver's License repeatedly when initially joining), as well as there being some need (?) for birthdate incase of capture and Geneva Conventions kicking in?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

One thing we remember when serving alchohol is the year.
"Born after todays date in 1993, not alchohol"

Aaaand now I'm reminded I'm fething old.

One of the things I was taught in my bartending certification was to only accept 2 things: Drivers License, and State ID (for those who don't drive). This is because these forms of ID have both photo, age, and some physical descriptions of the ID owner. This makes the identification of someone buying alcohol easier and spotting fake ID's easier.

Part of it is also the serving laws. As a bartender, we're expected to fully examine and scrutinize ID's of those who may be underage. If we are unsure, we have a booklet to fill in to prove we made the biggest effort to make sure the ID was genuine. In my state the penalty for underage is several years in prison.

I've had undercover state troopers sit in my bar for 3 hours before another undercover came in and used a fake ID. After I pulled the ID from him the cop that had been sitting there pulled a badge and took the ID back and the 2 left together.

Plain and simple I'm not risking my ass to potentially serve a fake ID.

But some state laws/statues mandate accepting military ID. I checked GA last night and was surprised to see it listed under 'Proper Identification'.

"the term "proper identification" means any document issued by a governmental agency containing a description of the person, such person's photograph, or both, and giving such person's date of birth and includes, without being limited to, a passport, military identification card, driver's license, or an identification card authorized under Code Sections 40-5-100 through 40-5-104. "

Does it say that it can be accepted as legit identification or that it has to be accepted? Saying it is a legal ID doesn't necessarily mandate that individual businesses must accept it.

It wouldn't surprise me if it does as having some states take it and others not just makes the circus that much more exciting. Doesn't GA also have a lot of military bases?

 daedalus wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

One thing we remember when serving alchohol is the year.
"Born after todays date in 1993, not alchohol"

Aaaand now I'm reminded I'm fething old.

Quiet you. Your feeding into your fears

 Ahtman wrote:
Does it say that it can be accepted as legit identification or that it has to be accepted? Saying it is a legal ID doesn't necessarily mandate that individual businesses must accept it.

It wouldn't surprise me if it does as having some states take it and others not just makes the circus that much more exciting. Doesn't GA also have a lot of military bases?

Yes, GA has a lot of bases. The law doesn't say can or will be accepted, it says that anyone is not prohibited from selling selling alcohol to an individual providing 'proper identification'.

The prohibition contained in paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of this Code section shall not apply with respect to sale of alcoholic beverages by a person when such person has been furnished with proper identification showing that the person to whom the alcoholic beverage is sold is 21 years of age or older.

It then goes on to say if the seller is in doubt about a buyer's age, the seller must ask the buyer to show 'proper ID' to prove age.

In any case where a reasonable or prudent person could reasonably be in doubt as to whether or not the person to whom an alcoholic beverage is to be sold or otherwise furnished is actually 21 years of age or older, it shall be the duty of the person selling or otherwise furnishing such alcoholic beverage to request to see and to be furnished with proper identification as provided for in subsection (d) of this Code section in order to verify the age of such person; and the failure to make such request and verification in any case where the person to whom the alcoholic beverage is sold or otherwise furnished is less than 21 years of age may be considered by the trier of fact in determining whether the person selling or otherwise furnishing such alcoholic beverage did so knowingly.

Fun Fact: DoD Contractor CAC cards don't have a birthdate (at least mine does not) though my reserve ID and dependent ID both do.