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Thanks for all your generous comments.

I'd like to get a few things clear.

I've played Chess competitively, I'm well educated, and I know that there comes a point in every game when conceding victory is the better part of valor, it is after all pointless to beat a dead horse because it will not drink water from a pail.

I knew going to the tournament that I had very little chance of winning in any game that I played.

I the last 4 tournaments that I have attended in the last three years my first opponent has always been Necrons and on two of those occasions it was the same person. in each of those games I lost my match. Something about Necrons always sucks the fun out of the game for me which is funny since my best friend plays Necrons but he does not use the C'tan Shard or Flying Circus list.

The person that gave me a hard time(Bullied) about forfeiting was not my opponent. He was a regular of the store that only showed up to place bids on the models that were being auctioned for the Toy for Tots fundraiser which I had donated a very well painted Krom Dragongaze model.

My Opponent was actually Ok with the forfeit and did what one person said he would have done. He started walking around checking out other games and analyzing tactics on the other tables.

The reason for my forfeiture was not because I knew I could not beat the Necron Army. It was because I am not a masochist and knew before the first dice was rolled that I would not have any fun playing against that army, so rather than completing an exercise in feudalism, I conceded victory and walked away.

When the T.O. asked me what I thought should have been done to make the tournament better I told him he needs to look at lists and armies and math up first round opponents according to the style of army that is being and not randomly pairing off players by what the first letter of their last name is in the alphabet.

Either way the game is over and done with and so is my involvement with 40K and Dakka. My next post will ensure that.

Based upon the utter drivel you tried to post in your quitting thread, you wont be missed.
Sling your hook son and good riddance

Okay then, but this is still an incredibly immature thing to do over a game with little painted men. No one was hurt, no models were damaged so your reason for leaving is still ridiculous. But if you're just gonna leave it at that, then good bye and good luck in life man

For a supposed 40yr old you're taking a loss way too seriously.

Cortland_Greyhawk wrote:
When the T.O. asked me what I thought should have been done to make the tournament better I told him he needs to look at lists and armies and math up first round opponents according to the style of army that is being and not randomly pairing off players by what the first letter of their last name is in the alphabet.

So the TO should rig the tournament instead of playing honestly? Great idea.

No that's not what he said, drop the hostility.

His idea is valid, match players based on lists, invariably the good lists will still win out but the games will be closer than a normal game when a ctan faces off against a naff army, it would be better for a ctan to match up against another super heavy

 Formosa wrote:
No that's not what he said, drop the hostility.

His idea is valid, match players based on lists, invariably the good lists will still win out but the games will be closer than a normal game when a ctan faces off against a naff army, it would be better for a ctan to match up against another super heavy

IOW, rig the tournament instead of playing honestly.

No need to jump down his neck for an off hand comment peri


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No it's not rigging, the same armies will still win, all your doing is making better match ups, or are you advocating curb stomping some 10 year old with a phantom titan list against there tac marines ultramarines, that sounds naff for both players

Honestly I would say that your current attitude is fuelled by way too much emotion and I'd caution you to making big choices when highly emotionally charged - because chances are you'll make a very bad choice.

Now could be you're bored of 40K - that's natural and normal, and this event has just tipped the balance over. When that happens the best thing to do is to step back, but don't burn all the bridges whilst you do it. Just put your army into the box (or display case) and hold onto it. If you've several armies maybe hold onto your favourite. AT the very least I'd hold onto any metal models or conversions or well painted ones (ergo things that will be more expensive/impossible to replace).
I say that because this way you've still got your army and in a few weeks/months/years time you'll likely come back to enjoy the hobby again (heck maybe GW will do a redesign and you'l get hooked and come back with your own Necron army).

At present you sound ready to "blame" someone for this change, which is making you blow things out of proportion somewhat. There likely isn't anyone to blame, you've most likely just reached a point where you need a change in life from 40K and tabletop wargames. Perfectly natural and normal.

Cortland_Greyhawk wrote:

When the T.O. asked me what I thought should have been done to make the tournament better I told him he needs to look at lists and armies and math up first round opponents according to the style of army that is being and not randomly pairing off players by what the first letter of their last name is in the alphabet.

As mentioned in a post above, this isn't the way to run a Tournament. The idea is that your army can fight any other - that you will end up fighting any other. What you might consider is suggesting that the TO organises things so that battles are more objective/mission focused not just annihilation. That way it generally opens more options up and often means even if you're against a tough match-up you can still win if you hold to the objectives.

Asking the TO to do loads of math theory and get some kind of "balanced" battle conclusion is never going to work. Warhammer isn't just a pure maths game and even in the math areas there is some debate on what works best. So yeah the TO could balance things up and you could STILL end up against the army you don't like. Along with the fact that chances are you'd only spark even more arguments at the event by trying to "rig" the matches to balance them ideally (plus that's putting loads of work on the TO moments after everyone turns up).

 Peregrine wrote:

Cortland_Greyhawk wrote:
When the T.O. asked me what I thought should have been done to make the tournament better I told him he needs to look at lists and armies and math up first round opponents according to the style of army that is being and not randomly pairing off players by what the first letter of their last name is in the alphabet.

So the TO should rig the tournament instead of playing honestly? Great idea.

Rigging matchups (aka player seeding) is common in professional sports, but it works the other way: You pit the best against the worst player and work to the middle. The idea isn't to make round 1 in an elimination tournament the most fun for everyone; it's to try to have the most exciting final round.

It would kind of suck if you matched up all the best and worst players, because the last game would pit a really good player against a lousy one, and somewhere in round 1 would be the most exciting game (that none of the other participants could watch because they are playing their own matches).

Talys wrote:
Rigging matchups (aka player seeding) is common in professional sports, but it works the other way: You pit the best against the worst player and work to the middle. The idea isn't to make round 1 in an elimination tournament the most fun for everyone; it's to try to have the most exciting final round.

And of course the other key difference there is that professional sports tournaments usually have some kind of objective method for seeding (win/loss record, etc) rather than the TO saying "I think you have a powerful list, stay away from the newbies".

If you hate it that much sell it, not hard, make some money back to invest in somthing else or bit of fun money.

Burning things that could make money, no sense there. Not get 100% return but never do, ever on 99% of things.

 jhe90 wrote:
If you hate it that much sell it, not hard, make some money back to invest in somthing else or bit of fun money.

But that doesn't get as much attention. Why quietly leave a hobby when you can make a ragequit post and destroy everything to prove how immature you are?

 Peregrine wrote:

Talys wrote:
Rigging matchups (aka player seeding) is common in professional sports, but it works the other way: You pit the best against the worst player and work to the middle. The idea isn't to make round 1 in an elimination tournament the most fun for everyone; it's to try to have the most exciting final round.

And of course the other key difference there is that professional sports tournaments usually have some kind of objective method for seeding (win/loss record, etc) rather than the TO saying "I think you have a powerful list, stay away from the newbies".

Yes, of course, and I agree. In the absence of a historical scoring (although some tournament circuits do have this) random matchups are the only thing that's fair. Plus, whatever scoring it progression system the tournament uses, it would not make sense if, after round one, half the people who lost would likely win against half the people who won. I mean, that just doesn't pass the common sense test >.<

This may seem really obvious, but if a bunch of people want to play noncompetitive lists against each other, why pay to be in a tournament?

 Peregrine wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
If you hate it that much sell it, not hard, make some money back to invest in somthing else or bit of fun money.

But that doesn't get as much attention. Why quietly leave a hobby when you can make a ragequit post and destroy everything to prove how immature you are?

Because why rage quit when you can make if good amount few hundred, get most of funds for a new tablet or sucj, or make abit to enjoy chritmas and buy some decent drinks etc that would push basnk abit before.

But yeah, true selling stuff off and making a tidy sum is not attention grabbing.


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Unless I'm a capitalist mercenery and this chap has principles lol.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
If you hate it that much sell it, not hard, make some money back to invest in somthing else or bit of fun money.

But that doesn't get as much attention. Why quietly leave a hobby when you can make a ragequit post and destroy everything to prove how immature you are?

Because why rage quit when you can make if good amount few hundred, get most of funds for a new tablet or sucj, or make abit to enjoy chritmas and buy some decent drinks etc that would push basnk abit before.

But yeah, true selling stuff off and making a tidy sum is not attention grabbing.


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Unless I'm a capitalist mercenery and this chap has principles lol.

Peregrine was being sarcastic.

Well dayum. This thread is screaming "I'm going to become a trainwreck" quite loudly.

Anyway, my two cents are that you shouldn't destroy your models or give them away to someone else for free. You're sitting on a literal goldmine there, with the way the bloody things cost these days. Sell 'em.

If they aren't painted above tabletop standard (be honest!), strip them yourself before selling to make them worth more. Take the money and go buy your way into one or two other, more suited to your taste, hobbies.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:
If you hate it that much sell it, not hard, make some money back to invest in somthing else or bit of fun money.

But that doesn't get as much attention. Why quietly leave a hobby when you can make a ragequit post and destroy everything to prove how immature you are?

Because why rage quit when you can make if good amount few hundred, get most of funds for a new tablet or sucj, or make abit to enjoy chritmas and buy some decent drinks etc that would push basnk abit before.

But yeah, true selling stuff off and making a tidy sum is not attention grabbing.


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Unless I'm a capitalist mercenery and this chap has principles lol.

Peregrine was being sarcastic.

Agh, guess sarcasam and tiredness do not come across perfectly well, brains not on top gear! .
Sorry for any offence.

 Mysterious Pants wrote:
Well dayum. This thread is screaming "I'm going to become a trainwreck" quite loudly.

Anyway, my two cents are that you shouldn't destroy your models or give them away to someone else for free. You're sitting on a literal goldmine there, with the way the bloody things cost these days. Sell 'em.

If they aren't painted above tabletop standard (be honest!), strip them yourself before selling to make them worth more. Take the money and go buy your way into one or two other, more suited to your taste, hobbies.

Yeah, or just donate them to someone at your FLGS, or you know, your necron playing friend. Why destroy something of value and contribute to pollution and global warming all in one stroke?

So the OP has decided to storm out in a public fashion, and won't be returning to the thread.

In which case, I'm going to lock this down to avoid further silliness.