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I would argue about the Daemon Princes being the most competitive HQ. They are good, but expensive and I have done just as well with Lords and Sorc when equipped and used properly. Be'lakor is a beast though, and invisibility means that Land Raider is that much harder to kill. I like me HQ's relatively cheap and cheerful.


Fearless blobs are tough to deal with, be they marines or cultists. I never mark my cultists, they are fodder and I use them as such. The Marines are still just marines but there are a ton of them, and you can hide those 2 spec weapons in the middle and laugh at your Imperial counterparts. Nurgle them to rival the Plague marines.

Cult troops are a double edged sword. They are pretty good at there given tasks, but very expensive. Spoilered to save space.


I stay away from Chosen, they are just expensive marines that can be made more expensive. Possessed are slower, more expensive warp talons that had their nails clipped. Mutilators are a distraction unit (Deep striking) I'd say or a candidate for hiding in land raiders to later pop out to host a surprise funeral. Make them seem like more of a threat by saying things like "Gonna get ya" or "only [x] more inches" as you move them closer to enemy lines.
I use helbrutes in lists that are saturated with armor or otherwise have targets for AT/plasma/melta to deal with. Kit them cheap, and I keep away from combat if possible. The formations make them interesting choices (for nominal fee$)

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Also note we don't use any FW/IA/Stronghold/Escalation stuff in my meta so I don't have any experience dealing with or using some of the mentioned stuff.

Does anyone have much success with shooty armies?
I always hear about the full-melee ones with the buffed-out spawnlords and stuff, but full shooty CSM has gotta exist right?

 Alienoid wrote:
I usually play against Turtle, Artillery, long range Anti-tank, and Knight armies.

Thanks,
Alex

CSM is a tough army to play right now, so dont get discouraged if youre losing matches. It sounds like youre facing an IG mechanized list (?) and the Knight list.

vs turtling IG artillery/tanks Id maybe take a squad or two of MoN Obliterators for 3-6 lascannon and assault cannon shots.

Artillery and tanks wont be effective vs a Heldrake. I prefer the autocannon Heldrake; in most cases you should use Daemonforge on its first turn of shooting.

You can use a squad of bikes or spawn to cross the table quickly, 2 squads of bikers with meltas and a combi melta is fairly cheap, and MoN makes them T6.
MoN Spawn is 180 for 5. they can wreck face and are an affordable escort for a nasty Unit like a palanquin sorc or lord on a bike.

As mentioned above, taking Huron Blackheart allows you to infiltrate D3 units. that could be pretty devastating vs side/rear armor on his vehicles.
Cypher infiltrating with a squad of melta Chosen is another way to get in there and kill a high value target.

Ive never played vs an all Knight army, but I think bikers with melta would be a good choice. obviously heldrakes since it would be stupid for a Knight to waste its shooting on a flyer. vs an all Knight army Id have no problem going double CAD with minimum cultist troops, then 3 heldrakes and 3 squads of bikers.

If youre finding yourself to be always outgunned, try building your list to hold/contest objectives. If its an option for you, take a look at the Fire Raptor Gunship or the Sicaran Tank. Both were recently made official for Chaos in 40k.

As chaos worshippers, we have some extremely powerful psychers. A ML3 sorceror with the mark of your choice and a spell familiar is a devastating HQ (as long as Tzeentch isn't messing with your dice, at least). Daemon princes look GREAT on paper, but they always under perform for me. They are a standout unit which makes everyone shoot them to pieces quite quickly. Hellbrutes have a bad rap. In 6th they were a bit too soft, but they're decent in 7th. Even the dark vengeance hellbrute with multimelta, dreadnought CCW, and flamer (does anyone not use the mouth in the ccw as a flamer?) can bring the pain while proving quite resilient. Just be careful to keep him away from dedicated AV units. They're a good jack of all trades unit, but a lot of people seem to frown upon anything that isn't min/maxed. Spawn really are awesome at soaking damage and chewing through enemy infantry. Possessed and berzerkers, are rather meh, but if you ever get them to the enemy they work great. Warptalons are awful, but raptors are really good at getting in, blowing stuff up, and quickly moving to their next target. Predators are the best tank we have access to. They can be loaded out to handle various types of threats, and that front armor is pretty awesome.

I'm proably going to get a helldrake sometime in the next two weeks because I keep hearing it's still good after the FAQ and I think the model is really cool, I have another question now. In my group everyone has a phobia of fliers and they take the aegis with quadgun, since I only had a flier for my Ork army (doesn't last long anyway) so I'm used to my flier during quickly. I do not want this to be the situation with my helldrake and was wondering what strategies is the best way to take care of this.

Just count the probability of it.