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 ductvader wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
Yes, but range doesn't matter when you alpha strike.

Why do you think melta guys in drop pods do so well? Because it gets short range guns into range.

And those guns are melta. Not glorifed assault/auto cannons

Yes, and this is the edition of hull point stripping where Star 7 is king.

Did you listen to any of my explanation about the inefficiency of Psycannons?

If you truly believe that S7 is king, then you're just backing up the fact that Heavy Psycannon Teleport Pack Dreadknights are the way to go.

Cheapest way to get it.

SGTPozy wrote:
It is nothing to do with my Tau. Do you watch Miniwargaming's videos on YouTube? A Grey Knight players tabled Tau by turn 2 (and people call Tau cheesy).

I just dislike how the Dreadknight isn't hated against much whilst the Riptide always receives hate and they are both bad.

You don't need long range fire power when you deepstrike turn 1 into the opponent's face.

The people on Miniwargaming are horrible players of every game they play.

 Grey Templar wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
It is nothing to do with my Tau. Do you watch Miniwargaming's videos on YouTube? A Grey Knight players tabled Tau by turn 2 (and people call Tau cheesy).

I just dislike how the Dreadknight isn't hated against much whilst the Riptide always receives hate and they are both bad.

You don't need long range fire power when you deepstrike turn 1 into the opponent's face.

The people on Miniwargaming are horrible players of every game they play.

Glad someone else thinks so.

 ductvader wrote:
Did you listen to any of my explanation about the inefficiency of Psycannons?

If you truly believe that S7 is king, then you're just backing up the fact that Heavy Psycannon Teleport Pack Dreadknights are the way to go.

Cheapest way to get it.

Yes, but 2 shots on PA guys is still decent.

I know that I'm backing up the Dreadknight as that just goes to show that it is too good and cheesy.


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 ductvader wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
It is nothing to do with my Tau. Do you watch Miniwargaming's videos on YouTube? A Grey Knight players tabled Tau by turn 2 (and people call Tau cheesy).

I just dislike how the Dreadknight isn't hated against much whilst the Riptide always receives hate and they are both bad.

You don't need long range fire power when you deepstrike turn 1 into the opponent's face.

The people on Miniwargaming are horrible players of every game they play.

Glad someone else thinks so.

Now now you two, be nice. I'm sure they try their hardest.

I'm gonna take a wild guess that the battlereport he saw where the Tau got tabled wasn't just "GK player sits back and let's his unkillable dreadknights do all the work" the GKs, using the nemisis strike force (that cuts them down to 2 heavy support instead of 3. by the way) are a deep striking close range alpha strike army, that's pretty much an army that Tau are going to struggle with considering their army works best if their opponent is at range. I can belive GKs could table Tau, even without dreadknights.

BrianDavion wrote:
I'm gonna take a wild guess that the battlereport he saw where the Tau got tabled wasn't just "GK player sits back and let's his unkillable dreadknights do all the work" the GKs, using the nemisis strike force (that cuts them down to 2 heavy support instead of 3. by the way) are a deep striking close range alpha strike army, that's pretty much an army that Tau are going to struggle with considering their army works best if their opponent is at range. I can belive GKs could table Tau, even without dreadknights.

Did you watch it too? The player was super cheesy wasn't he?

You mean the Tau player wasn't loaded for interceptor?

He's even worse than I thought

I don't see why Tau players need to tailor their lists to stand a chance against Grey Knights, they should be able to stand a chance with an all commers list.

A TAC Tau list always has some Interceptor in it. Its not just a GK counter.

Indeed, usually on Riptides.

Not everyone likes to use the Riptide as we Tau players understand how cheesyit is (unlike many Grey Knight players)

TAC Tau balances out Interceptor and Skyfire upgrades...pretty much the last step of Tau army building.

But skyfire is so expensive, you could include more suits with those points.

I'm done, we're way off topic.

Yes we are.

So... They are worth it if you do not want to use the cheesy Dreadknight

No, Dreadnoughts wouldn't be worth it even without the Dreadknight.

We'd just have to take more Terminators.

It would be the only 'heavy' option available, so yes it would.

We wouldn't take a heavy.

Indeed. We'd just take as many troops as possible because that would be the only good option to use those points for.

Another Terminator squad and a Stormraven is what i would do.

So the only reason why you take a heavy is because of how cheesy the Dreadknight is?

The DK isn't cheesy because its one of our only competitive options. GKs are not dominating the competitive scene, we're using the only competitive options we have available. And we're only middle of the pack.

Take your anti-GK rage boner elsewhere please.

By that logic the Riptide isn't cheesy either since Tau aren't competitive anymore.

Now I know you are trolling.

How so?

You say Tau aren't competitive anymore. They're still in the top tier solidly.

5th is hardly top tier; they're mid to top. Not number 2 like they used to be.

Keep in mind - Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic. Thanks!

SGTPozy wrote:
It is nothing to do with my Tau. Do you watch Miniwargaming's videos on YouTube? A Grey Knight players tabled Tau by turn 2 (and people call Tau cheesy).

I just dislike how the Dreadknight isn't hated against much whilst the Riptide always receives hate and they are both bad.

You don't need long range fire power when you deepstrike turn 1 into the opponent's face.

Matt was (admittedly) using a TERRIBLE list of Tau, and they were only playing a super-small game. As points increase, that game would have been much closer. If Matt wasn't using a terribad list that was tailor-made to be tabled, it would have gone differently. Oh, and Matt also had some of the worst dice-rolling I have EVER seen (right out of the gates with Seize, etc...)

That game is nothing to go by. It was a horrible game of 40k, which yes, we have all had, but was literally the perfect storm of circumstances, not the norm.

Just watched that game... how can you complain about the DK? It did nothing the whole game except kill some pathfinders.

Also, that entire list didn't have a single interceptor in it, which was... odd.