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I really hope it won't get nerfed for 40K.
Space marines deserve on OP unit to match up against, well, most of the chaos and necron codexes.

No one deserves an OP unit. The OP units deserve to be nerfed.

Indeed, this dread very much needs to be nerfed, just as Wave Serpents, Annihilation Barges, and other such units do.

Besides, it's not like SM's don't have their own abusive gimmicks (Centstar, chapter tactics CAD shennanigans, etc).

You don't get it, Vaktathi. Any advantage Marine armies have either "doesn't matter", "hurts more than it helps", or is a purely defensive measure to help them deal with all the OP stuff other armies have.

And Spehss Mahreens are supposed to be overpowered "because fluff!", remember?

 HELLvJUMPER wrote:
I really hope it won't get nerfed for 40K.
Space marines deserve on OP unit to match up against, well, most of the chaos and necron codexes.

Most of the Chaos codex..?

"Most" = "heldrake", obviously.

 Sidstyler wrote:
"Most" = "heldrake", obviously.

Which isn't the king of broken units like it once was. The hull mounted flamer made it a lot more managable

Yeah, but it can still negate a Marine's save. Therefore it's broken.

Sicarian with schism and lascannons is better for hunting the majority of targets, and cheaper.

The deredeo is only better if you face a lot of planes.

Sidstyler wrote:You don't get it, Vaktathi. Any advantage Marine armies have either "doesn't matter", "hurts more than it helps", or is a purely defensive measure to help them deal with all the OP stuff other armies have.

And Spehss Mahreens are supposed to be overpowered "because fluff!", remember?

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, but it can still negate a Marine's save. Therefore it's broken.

Gotta love how you say it how it is. Marine players bitch about anything and everything that they don't have or if something does something better than them.

SGTPozy wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:You don't get it, Vaktathi. Any advantage Marine armies have either "doesn't matter", "hurts more than it helps", or is a purely defensive measure to help them deal with all the OP stuff other armies have.

And Spehss Mahreens are supposed to be overpowered "because fluff!", remember?

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, but it can still negate a Marine's save. Therefore it's broken.

Gotta love how you say it how it is. Marine players bitch about anything and everything that they don't have or if something does something better than them.

And non marine players bitch about marines having power armour and toys that they don't have.

Thus, everyone is a bitcher.

 Crazyterran wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:You don't get it, Vaktathi. Any advantage Marine armies have either "doesn't matter", "hurts more than it helps", or is a purely defensive measure to help them deal with all the OP stuff other armies have.

And Spehss Mahreens are supposed to be overpowered "because fluff!", remember?

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, but it can still negate a Marine's save. Therefore it's broken.

Gotta love how you say it how it is. Marine players bitch about anything and everything that they don't have or if something does something better than them.

And non marine players bitch about marines having power armour and toys that they don't have.

Thus, everyone is a bitcher.

I think it's more people bitch about SM having things no one should have, not that they don't get it too. Like ATSKNF, awful rule because it means half the armies in the game aren't affected by the fear rule, or anything that uses leadership type effects like that.

 Vaktathi wrote:
it's currently overcapable and over-equipped.

I am completely fine with the Deredeo's armaments. This is justified compensation for ridiculous Xeno BS, like Wave Serpent with Serpent Shield.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:You don't get it, Vaktathi. Any advantage Marine armies have either "doesn't matter", "hurts more than it helps", or is a purely defensive measure to help them deal with all the OP stuff other armies have.

And Spehss Mahreens are supposed to be overpowered "because fluff!", remember?

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, but it can still negate a Marine's save. Therefore it's broken.

Gotta love how you say it how it is. Marine players bitch about anything and everything that they don't have or if something does something better than them.

And non marine players bitch about marines having power armour and toys that they don't have.

Thus, everyone is a bitcher.

I think it's more people bitch about SM having things no one should have, not that they don't get it too. Like ATSKNF, awful rule because it means half the armies in the game aren't affected by the fear rule, or anything that uses leadership type effects like that.

CSM players regularly bitch about not having atsknf.

Nobody should have a cheeseboat like the wave serpent, or the old hellchicken. There are plenty of silly Xenos things from forgeworld as well (Eldar Titans, Hornets as examples).

Marines just benefit a bit more because the vast majority plays marines, has a marine army of some kind, or can ally with marines.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:You don't get it, Vaktathi. Any advantage Marine armies have either "doesn't matter", "hurts more than it helps", or is a purely defensive measure to help them deal with all the OP stuff other armies have.

And Spehss Mahreens are supposed to be overpowered "because fluff!", remember?

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, but it can still negate a Marine's save. Therefore it's broken.

Gotta love how you say it how it is. Marine players bitch about anything and everything that they don't have or if something does something better than them.

And non marine players bitch about marines having power armour and toys that they don't have.

Thus, everyone is a bitcher.

I think it's more people bitch about SM having things no one should have, not that they don't get it too. Like ATSKNF, awful rule because it means half the armies in the game aren't affected by the fear rule, or anything that uses leadership type effects like that.

CSM players regularly bitch about not having atsknf.

Nobody should have a cheeseboat like the wave serpent, or the old hellchicken. There are plenty of silly Xenos things from forgeworld as well (Eldar Titans, Hornets as examples).

Marines just benefit a bit more because the vast majority plays marines, has a marine army of some kind, or can ally with marines.

If regular SM get ATSKNF, then Chaos should too. Or, neither. I don't disagree that there are things in other factions no one should have, my point was that it's rare to see someone complaining that SM have something they don't, more often they're complaining because SM have something nobody should.

The only real complaints I see against SM lately has been their nearly exclusive and all inclusive access to BB with IoM, ATSKNF, and that FW really tends to give IoM armies a lot more attention.

I've been wanting to get into FW for Tau, but aside from the Riptides there seems to be too few good kits and rules. Majority T3 MC with 6+ and deals wounds to it's unit, for anyone that wants to argue otherwise.