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At first glance, the new Deredeo dreadnought by forge world looks like an amazing new skyfire unit, especially with the way it's been modelled as if it's shooting down aircraft.
Upon closer inspection of the experimental rules, none of this guy's weapon systems have the skyfire rule, which sparks the question, why did they model the deredeo looking towards the sky?

It's not that I'm really complaining about this, but Imperial players don't really have much option for skyfire, which is in high demand on account of all the helldrakes and doomscythes that clutter the battlefield.

I have thought that any dread with 2 Twinlinked Auto cannons should get the option for Skyfire. Even if it's an upgrade for 10-25pts.

Well as far as I know, no such upgrade exists outside of the imperial armour mortis dreads.

It can sky fire as long as it doesn't move or run weapons have the skyfire and intercept special rules apart from hvy bolter or hvy flamers .

Its in the rules for its special targeting array

My thoughts: FW doesn't really care about the flyer aspect of the game. I don't think it really caught on heavily with the designers over there since the rules are so slipshod (putting flyers zooming over the same 400-foot square of terrain? Really?)

They don't have anything against superheavies, because they're essentially just bigger and bigger ground vehicles. Flyers don't seem to incorporate heavily into 30k as it is, which is probably why skyfire wasn't something that was given to the Deredeo (even when it's autocannons clearly are pointing up).

Like penceman said. Read the rules for the Helical Targeting Array. It has the ability to both skyfire and intercept. This is the space marine's answer to the riptide.

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Oh, ok. I didn't see that part. One more question, what does armoured cramite do?

I seem to remember that rule from the assault ram when it first came out. I don't own the book so I may be wrong, but I believe it allows the model to ignore the Melta rule when it gets hit.

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Helical Targeting Array: If you don't move, you may choose to have Skyfire and Interceptor.

Armored Ceramite: Ignores the Melta rule (note that Meltabombs actually have Armorbane, not the melta rule).

Isn't it strange how melta weapons are often spoken about as the go-to choice for smashing through PA yet Armoured Ceramite implies that ceramite is an anti-melta material? It seems contradictory.

To me Armoured Ceramite would imply that the ceramite is clad in some kind of armour. ie melta proof spacemetal or somesuch.

Ceramite Armour would be what you're talking about.

Keep in mind the Deredeo dread's rules are experimental and not finalized.

That said, and ignoring its visual aspects, it's currently overcapable and over-equipped. Dropping Sunder and dumping its Ballistic Skill to 4 would make it reasonable. The Skyfire thing in and of itself is fine, but the armor pen capability and BS5 make it much too capable at simply deleting armor from the board.

It's basically an upgraded Contemptor-Mortis, I think the rules will probably remain as is for the Horus Heresy but like the Contemptor-Mortis you will probably get BS4 and a price increase for the 40k release.

The rules say its for use in 40k.

I mean when the rules are *finalized*, as Vaktathi pointed out these are experimental and they can change quite before being finalized.

I think it should be able to Skyfire but the Option should be removed from the Mortis. This will give Gundam-Dreadnought a defined role on the battlefield. It's not needed and is a bit of a money grab even if the rules change for better or worse.

 Byte wrote:
The rules say its for use in 40k.

No it doesn't. It says 40k and 30k.

If anything, 40k Dreads should have a higher ballistic skill than HH dreads, on account of experience!

Gashrog wrote:It's basically an upgraded Contemptor-Mortis, I think the rules will probably remain as is for the Horus Heresy but like the Contemptor-Mortis you will probably get BS4 and a price increase for the 40k release.

ImAGeek wrote:

 Byte wrote:
The rules say its for use in 40k.

No it doesn't. It says 40k and 30k.

Jerk the reins cowboy. I was responding to the fellow about his comment above. He said rules are to be released for 40K. I never said anything excluding 30K and was pointing out the rules were already for 40K. Feel better?

 Byte wrote:

Gashrog wrote:It's basically an upgraded Contemptor-Mortis, I think the rules will probably remain as is for the Horus Heresy but like the Contemptor-Mortis you will probably get BS4 and a price increase for the 40k release.

ImAGeek wrote:

 Byte wrote:
The rules say its for use in 40k.

No it doesn't. It says 40k and 30k.

Jerk the reins cowboy. I was responding to the fellow about his comment above. He said rules are to be released for 40K. I never said anything excluding 30K and was pointing out the rules were already for 40K. Feel better?

Well that wasn't very clear, and I know the earlier release of the rules didn't mention 30k at all, so I was just checking people knew you could use it in 30k. Apologies.

Ah, if we could all endeavor to be a bit more polite, please?

Thanks!

 ImAGeek wrote:


Well that wasn't very clear, and I know the earlier release of the rules didn't mention 30k at all, so I was just checking people knew you could use it in 30k. Apologies.

I understand. Thanks. Guess I did come across snippy. Apologies.

The rules do look great though. 4 Str 8 twin linked skyfire with sunder... geez. The missiles are down right mean!

 Byte wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:


Well that wasn't very clear, and I know the earlier release of the rules didn't mention 30k at all, so I was just checking people knew you could use it in 30k. Apologies.

I understand. Thanks. Guess I did come across snippy. Apologies.

The rules do look great though. 4 Str 8 twin linked skyfire with sunder... geez. The missiles are down right mean!

No I did too, sorry. And yeah I'm liking the rules. Still not sure I'm sold on the model but it is growing on me.

I'm confused as to why it exists. It looks like a let's-one-up-the-Contemptor-Mortis! filling the exact same combat role with almost the exact same rules only cooler guns.

Well it is Heavy rather than elite, the contemptor still has better weapon options as well, like the assault cannons.

Heavy slots are really tight in 30k and 40k

Elite slots are very tight in 30k too, at least in my lists. I'm glad it's in HS for 30k.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Elite slots are very tight in 30k too, at least in my lists. I'm glad it's in HS for 30k.

Depends on your Legion really my AL Fast Attack is maxed

 PastelAvenger wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Elite slots are very tight in 30k too, at least in my lists. I'm glad it's in HS for 30k.

Depends on your Legion really my AL Fast Attack is maxed

And I never seem to fill FA in mine haha.

 TheAvengingKnee wrote:
Well it is Heavy rather than elite, the contemptor still has better weapon options as well, like the assault cannons.

For now, I suspect the weapons are a separate option, even with the choice of one, for a reason. I would expect variant lascannon and ass can and some sort of boltery arms (plus rules) in the near future. Probably nothing with blasts as it doesn't fit the AA flavour, but you never know.