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"In its Shooting phase, in addition to using Powers of the C’tan, this model can target one.."

So I think he can Run and then use Gaze.

In addition to

Yeah... my reading of "In addition to" means that if you aren't choosing to use the Powers of the C'Tan (ie. shooting) then you don't get to Gaze.
So, no Gaze on the run.

Sooo, he can't use gaze unless he already used a C'tan power also? If "In addition to" means "as well as", you can only use the Gaze "in addition to" the C'tan powers, then you have to use them both or none. If "in addition to" means "as well as having the option to", then you can use them independently of each other.

Yeah... I see both ways of looking at it now. Sent in a FAQ request.

Also, can the C'Tan use the "Powers of the C'Tan" in overwatch? What if you get the effects that are blasts... do you just ignore them?

I see it more as:
1. Can use Powers of the C'tan
In addition:
2. Can use Gaze of Death.

I don't read it as 'you must use the Powers if you want to Gaze'.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Also, can the C'Tan use the "Powers of the C'Tan" in overwatch? ?

Necron Codex wrote:Models armed with Powers of the C’tan can use them as a ranged weapon in the
Shooting phase of their own turn. They cannot use them to fire Overwatch.

Thanks... like I said, I don't have my codex with me.

I'm not even sure if 'In addition' is commonly used that way, but if not it begs the question why is 'Powers of the C’tan' mentioned in that rule at all. It's redundant words......


'In the Shooting phase, this model can target one'


GW why you write so bad ; -;

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Sent in a FAQ request.

Good one

 Nem wrote:
I'm not even sure if 'In addition' is commonly used that way, but if not it begs the question why is 'Powers of the C’tan' mentioned in that rule at all. It's redundant words......


'In the Shooting phase, this model can target one'


GW why you write so bad ; -;

Here's my guess after taking some time to think on it. Power of the C'tan is a shooting attack that you can use once a shooting phase (different thread on that point) and Gaze of Death is supposed to a 2nd shooting attack that can be made cause of MC rules. Problem is that Gaze is not listed or expressed as any kind of shooting attack.

Hello,
I have a little asks about the conclave of the burning one in a Mephrit Dynasty cohort,
- if i am right when you take the cryptek in this formation you use your both HQ choises for the cryptek and one has to be your general.
- Is it a way not to use you both HQ choises in this cohort and if used in a necron decurion detachment could they use artifacts from mephrit Dynasty cohort.
- if you can use a Transcendant C'tan (i mean if the other allow it) could the unit deep strike from T C'tan rules?

taetrius67 wrote:
Hello,
I have a little asks about the conclave of the burning one in a Mephrit Dynasty cohort,
- if i am right when you take the cryptek in this formation you use your both HQ choises for the cryptek and one has to be your general.
- Is it a way not to use you both HQ choises in this cohort and if used in a necron decurion detachment could they use artifacts from mephrit Dynasty cohort.
- if you can use a Transcendant C'tan (i mean if the other allow it) could the unit deep strike from T C'tan rules?

1. This is a different detachment from the Cohort and the Crypteks and C'tan do not take up slots. They take up the formation requirements.
2. The Conclave is not part of the Decurion and gains none of the special rules, but can use the Mephrit relics as it is a Mephrit detachment.
3. Currently you cannot use the Transcendent C'tan since he isn't a C'tan Shard. That may change in time.

My thoughts about the use of Gaze:
"in addition to" does not specify any kind of order it just says "if you can do the one you can do the other". So you only can use Gaze if you could or did use the Powers. And as they are stated as beeing shooting attacks you cant use Gaze while in close combat. BUT you can use Gaze against units in close combat since it is a arcan sort of power which has no additional rules and we cant use any kind of weapon rules because it has no profile. This works as well with invisibility and with FMC.

Does everybody agree for this to be consensus?

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it must be a duck.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it must be a duck.

Or it is a confused goose.

Sorry but how You know the conclave don t use slot if You take the mephrit cohort?

taetrius67 wrote:
Sorry but how You know the conclave don t use slot if You take the mephrit cohort?

Because the Conclave is a Formation. Formations are separate detachments all by themselves as per the BRB. They can't take up a slot, because FOC slots are a part of a detachment, while a formation is a detachment all by itself.

taetrius67 wrote:
Sorry but how You know the conclave don t use slot if You take the mephrit cohort?

I recomend you reread the BRB part dealing with formations: its under "Preparing for Battle -> Choosing your Army"

So, did this question ever get answered? Does the Nightbringers Gaze of Death count as a shooting attack (limiting it to not be useable in melee and against targets in melee)?

And since no one has quoted the rule directly, here it is:

Gaze of Death:
In its Shooting phase, in addition to using Powers of the C’tan, this model can target one non-vehicle enemy unit within 12" to which it has line of sight. The unit suffers a number of Wounds equal to 3D6 minus its Leadership, resolved at AP2 and with the Ignores Cover special rule. If at least one unsaved Wound is inflicted, the C’tan Shard of the Nightbringer immediately regains one Wound lost earlier in the battle.

 Mulletdude wrote:
So, did this question ever get answered? Does the Nightbringers Gaze of Death count as a shooting attack (limiting it to not be useable in melee and against targets in melee)?

And since no one has quoted the rule directly, here it is:

Gaze of Death:
In its Shooting phase, in addition to using Powers of the C’tan, this model can target one non-vehicle enemy unit within 12" to which it has line of sight. The unit suffers a number of Wounds equal to 3D6 minus its Leadership, resolved at AP2 and with the Ignores Cover special rule. If at least one unsaved Wound is inflicted, the C’tan Shard of the Nightbringer immediately regains one Wound lost earlier in the battle.

It is not a shooting attack. By rule, according to the Weapons section of the BRB, under the sub heading Type.
"A shooting weapon always has one of the following types: Assault, Bomb, ....."

Gaze of Death does not have a "Type"

Yeah, this ability is pretty awesome. Shoot at something with Powers of the C'tan, then choose another target unit whose soul shall be consumed.

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
Can he use it after running?

THAT is a good question.

I don't have my codex at work so I don't have the rule in front of me.

I think that it says 'during' the shooting phase... which would imply that you could run.
It might say, "in addition to .... shooting attack"... which I would read that you can only use Gaze if you choose to do a shooting attack.

Dang... really wish I had my codex.

the quote from the 'dex is "In the shooting phase, in addition to using Powers of the C'tan, this model can". However, I don't think that means you have to shoot as well, it's just specifying that you can do both if you wish.

lycio wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
Can he use it after running?

THAT is a good question.

I don't have my codex at work so I don't have the rule in front of me.

I think that it says 'during' the shooting phase... which would imply that you could run.
It might say, "in addition to .... shooting attack"... which I would read that you can only use Gaze if you choose to do a shooting attack.

Dang... really wish I had my codex.

the quote from the 'dex is "In the shooting phase, in addition to using Powers of the C'tan, this model can". However, I don't think that means you have to shoot as well, it's just specifying that you can do both if you wish.

Yea. It's important not to read into rules. If something is going to be restrictive it will be clearly restrictive and not rely on stretched readings of 'in addition to . . '

Can you use it on FMCs then like Flyrants?

Hollismason wrote:
Can you use it on FMCs then like Flyrants?

RAW, yes. It's the same as targetting a FMC with Enfeeble or a power of the like.

Oh well that's some flying defense and board control against Flyrants, I'd have to check the odds but I think it's a 10% chance for a 14+ on 3d6, I know 10 is a 50% chance.

Definitely going to use that unit to throw at Flyrants agaisnt my friend.

Hollismason wrote:
Oh well that's some flying defense and board control against Flyrants, I'd have to check the odds but I think it's a 10% chance for a 14+ on 3d6, I know 10 is a 50% chance.

Definitely going to use that unit to throw at Flyrants agaisnt my friend.

I mean, yeah. Throw in the Doom Scythe formation, a LD 9 Hive Tyrant with no invuln? Yeah, it will probably die quickly to a Nightbringer.