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Since this is not considered a shooting attack can he use during the shooting phase if he is locked in CC?

Thanks

Yes, it's not a Shooting Attack.

Its in the shooting phase. So id say NO you cannot shoot your gaze of death. Though it would be awesome if a FAQ said Im wrong but that rarely happens. I would not be surprise if kangaroo was right.

Yes it can indeed.

Can... there are a lot of things that happen in the shooting phase that aren't shooting attacks... like running for instance. It doesn't roll to hit or scatter.

Lungpickle wrote:
Its in the shooting phase. So id say NO you cannot shoot your gaze of death. Though it would be awesome if a FAQ said Im wrong but that rarely happens. I would not be surprise if kangaroo was right.

It isn't a shooting attack, and meets none of the criteria to be restricted from being used.

Yeah but when does it says its used according to the rule of the Gaze?

During the Shooting Phase.
Just like how Culexus can shoot in the Psychic Phase, though that isn't a Psychic attack.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Yeah but when does it says its used according to the rule of the Gaze?

The shooting phase. Please explain where a unit locked in combat doesn't get a shooting phase.

Going by the fact its not a shooting attack and can be used while locked in CC, doesn't that also mean you can target enemy units that are locked in CC with other Necron units or even its own CC.

Would this also mean that I could target a different unit with the C'tan Powers as well? C'Tan Powers are specified as a Ranged Weapon while the Gaze of Death is not specified as anything.

edit: clarity between Gaze of Death and the random C'Tan Powers

Ranged Weapons need to be shoot with at Shooting Phase or similar situations (overwatch). You cannot use the Powers in melee as a Marine can't use a bolter as well.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Yeah but when does it says its used according to the rule of the Gaze?

The shooting phase. Please explain where a unit locked in combat doesn't get a shooting phase.

Since there is a rule that says that you can't shoot during the shoothing phase when you're locked in combat...

The rare ranged attacks or powers that you can use in CC, is usually clearly explained.

Gaze is not a shooting attack, or even a weapon. It has no profile. It's a special rule. Nothing about being in close combat prevents a special rule on a model from functioning, unless the special rule itself says it does not work while the model is in close combat.

Other examples include:
- A model with a phoenix gem still gets to explode if they die whether they are in close combat or not. That's a special rule that deals damage, and is not a shooting attack.
- Similarly, a Tervigon's synaptic backlash deals damage to termagants within 12" when they are slain. Even if they are locked in close combat at the time.

Can Gaze of Death bypass invisibility then if its not a shooting attack?

 akwing00 wrote:
Can Gaze of Death bypass invisibility then if its not a shooting attack?

Ooooooo~
Now that OP's question has been resolved (yes, the power can be used while in CC because it's not a shooting attack), THERE'S a question about this I want to see answered!

 akwing00 wrote:
Can Gaze of Death bypass invisibility then if its not a shooting attack?

Invisibility only talks about firing Snap Shots, and To Hit rolls in close combat. Gaze of Death is not a weapon that rolls to hit nor a shooting attack, just a special ability that is point and click. I'd say it goes through it

Agreed. I'd say invisibility offers no protection against gaze, similar to how it offers no protection against enemy maledictions. My Eldar just got a little nervous :O

Bojazz wrote:
AMy Eldar just got a little nervous :O

Eldar nervous about facing the Nightbringer?
My my, that's some delicious narrative you're forging there, sir.

Yeah, Gaze is shaping up to be quite lovely.
You can use it in combat, against FMCs, and legitimately upon invisible units. Which is beautifully ironic considering it's name.

the lord of death sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, and flesh. You know of what I speak, Eldar: a great Eye, lidless, wreathed in shadows.

Oberron wrote:
the lord of death sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, and flesh. You know of what I speak, Eldar: a great Eye, lidless, wreathed in shadows.

The Nightbringer is Sauron

...Whether he technically can use it in CC or not, I'm not sure how I could explain that to an opponent without sounding like a crazed power gamer looking for loopholes.

 Victory wrote:
You can use it [...] legitimately upon invisible units. Which is beautifully ironic considering it's name.

Oh come now, if anything's going to be able to see something that's not supposed to be seen, it's going to be an angry star god.

 skoffs wrote:

 Victory wrote:
You can use it [...] legitimately upon invisible units. Which is beautifully ironic considering it's name.

Oh come now, if anything's going to be able to see something that's not supposed to be seen, it's going to be an angry star god.

Or a blitza bomber.

changemod wrote:
...Whether he technically can use it in CC or not, I'm not sure how I could explain that to an opponent without sounding like a crazed power gamer looking for loopholes.

"It used to affect everything around him.. all the time"
Or my favourite argument for everything C'tan-related: Dude, he is 240 points..

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Yeah but when does it says its used according to the rule of the Gaze?

The shooting phase. Please explain where a unit locked in combat doesn't get a shooting phase.

Since there is a rule that says that you can't shoot during the shoothing phase when you're locked in combat...

The rare ranged attacks or powers that you can use in CC, is usually clearly explained.

That's not what I asked. I asked about where a locked unit doesn't get a shooting phase. There isn't such s rule, meaning their shooting phase occurs, and the power can be used.

Don't give two hoots if other powers redundantly explain this.

I can't see anything stopping it going off in combat. Looks similar to the old Doom attack if you want faq precedent.

Oberron wrote:
the lord of death sees all. His gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth, and flesh. You know of what I speak, Eldar: a great Eye, lidless, wreathed in shadows.

The Lord of Death see's all... except Planes

Can he use it after running?

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
Can he use it after running?

THAT is a good question.

I don't have my codex at work so I don't have the rule in front of me.

I think that it says 'during' the shooting phase... which would imply that you could run.
It might say, "in addition to .... shooting attack"... which I would read that you can only use Gaze if you choose to do a shooting attack.

Dang... really wish I had my codex.