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From 'Artefacts of the Aeons' in the Necron Wargear List:

A model may take one of the following:

'One', not 'one of each'.

OOOOOOOH. OK. No problem I'll fix that. thanks for pointing that error out.

The Decurion is new. People want to try it out.
The Canpotek swarm is new, and top tier. People want to try it out.

Solved the Mystery for you.

I'm gonna say it most necron players MOST not all are cheap bastards who just wanna win. The guy at my gaming club is sadly a bad example of a necron player and a 40k player talking way to much trash (not in a sportsman way) and laughing historically at how great his shooting is or how bad my saves are. Most games I almost actually punch him for how cocky he is being during the match.

Laughing historically like Napoleon.

Stalked21 wrote:
I'm gonna say it most necron players MOST not all are cheap bastards who just wanna win. The guy at my gaming club is sadly a bad example of a necron player and a 40k player talking way to much trash (not in a sportsman way) and laughing historically at how great his shooting is or how bad my saves are. Most games I almost actually punch him for how cocky he is being during the match.

Yes people should feel bad for winning. Just like in real life. Bad is the new good.

There's so much I wanna use in this book. It saddens me that ither people don't feel the same.

There is distinct difference between you wanting to try out something, and having models for it, and everyone else having a necron army and wanting a working army and not speding cash on the additional 8500pts to check, if unit X maybe works.

Unfortunately, my friend always tries to prove a point how necrons are the best, despite him never beaten me

And for the tau complaint, I don't mind having a challenge as long it isn't the EXACT same list every time. I don't play tau, nor do I plan to, but I know there are many good units in it so there's variation in the lists I play against.

They have a new codex, people hate change, that is all.(even zombie robot people)

 TheAvengingKnee wrote:
I am not bringing because I just do not like tomb blades at all, mostly just the model, so I would just use a normal FoC.

Just the models? Fine.
Recently I battled Orks with my Necrons inluding 6 Tomb Blades with particle weapons.
Man. These guys pu holes in the Ork mobs.
Too bad that they are not Eldar Jetbikes.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 TheAvengingKnee wrote:
I am not bringing because I just do not like tomb blades at all, mostly just the model, so I would just use a normal FoC.

Just the models? Fine.
Recently I battled Orks with my Necrons inluding 6 Tomb Blades with particle weapons.
Man. These guys pu holes in the Ork mobs.
Too bad that they are not Eldar Jetbikes.

IMO, Ignores Cover was a game=changer for Tomb Blades rules-wise. I'm not a huge fan of the models either, but I'd bought some earlier in my 40k "career" because I liked the idea of jetbikes in general. They were sort of 'meh' last edition. Now they are pretty badass.


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Incidentally, if you don't like the current Tomb Blade models, at one point, I considered using the classic Destoyers as a 'counts as', but ultimately decided against because at the time I couldn't find any on ebay:




Not sure you'd like this any better as they are a bit outdated looking.

After assembling my first Tomb Blade, I decided to dig out my old metal Destroyers.

I might actually field the new Tomb Blades without the riders, and pretend they are a Canoptek unit.

Seriously, why are Necron players being so boring now? (Hating on Decurion)

Why are you blaming players instead of blaming GW?

Decurion is way better than no Decurion. That's GW's failing.

1) All the compulsory units for Decurion are good (tomblades) or units youd have to take anyway (troops).

2) Decurion gives huge bonuses to RP

3) Decurion makes necrons better at close combat (their biggest weakness) in a number of subtle ways

Necron players would be crazy NOT to use Decurion.

Khobai wrote:

Seriously, why are Necron players being so boring now? (Hating on Decurion)

Why are you blaming players instead of blaming GW?

Decurion is way better than no Decurion. That's GW's failing.

1) All the compulsory units for Decurion are good (tomblades) or units youd have to take anyway (troops).

2) Decurion gives huge bonuses to RP

Necron players would be crazy NOT to use Decurion.

There are actual reasons to not use it. Like, fielding units without having to abide by the formations. And there's a lot of ways to get the bonus to RP anyway. Plus, people use the Mephrit Detachment too. And not having Objsec is a big deal.

There are actual reasons to not use it. Like, fielding units without having to abide by the formations.

Abiding to Decurion is very easy though. It has very simple requirements comprised mostly of units youd take anyway. And you can still take a Mephrit formation seperately.

And there's a lot of ways to get the bonus to RP anyway.There are actual reasons to not use it. Like, fielding units without having to abide by the formations.

Not really. The only other way to get +1 to RP is Crypteks. And theyre the worst HQ choice we have by far. Plus that bonus only works for for the Cryptek's own unit not your ENTIRE army like Decurion.

There is seriously no reason not to use Decurion.

Khobai wrote:

There are actual reasons to not use it. Like, fielding units without having to abide by the formations.

Abiding to the Decurion formations is easy though. It has very simple requirements comprised mostly of units youd take anyway. And you can still take a Mephrit formation seperately.

There is seriously no reason not to use Decurion.

And there's a lot of ways to get the bonus to RP anyway.There are actual reasons to not use it. Like, fielding units without having to abide by the formations.

Not really. The only other way to get +1 to RP is Crypteks. And theyre AWFUL.

I agree. The only non-Decurion thing that has really crossed my mind is a min-trooped vehicle-heavy army list, where the RP bonus wouldn't do much for you.

It has also crossed my mind that multiple Crypteks might be good for some uber-tough Warrior spam, with each Cryptek giving a single unit 4+ RP plus 5+ Invul from Chronometron, but IIRC that would clock in at 90 points per Cryptek. And the bonuses could be sniped away. And Crypteks are very easy to kill as far as HQs go....not viable IMO, however one of these days I will be trying a list like this out, just to (a) see my Warriors with Invul, (b)to get some use out my now nearly useless Cryptek models, and (c) I think it would be a good challenge to try to win with a list like this.

Umm, Crypteks aren't useless. Want to use Warscythe Lychguard? They have a 4+++ even against instant death now, and a 5++ against shooting. And a 5++ on any other unit is still good. Also, because of a cryptek, I got hit with 17 wounds from a Manticore. I lost 5 models.


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Khobai wrote:

Not really. The only other way to get +1 to RP is Crypteks. And theyre the worst HQ choice we have by far. Plus that bonus only works for for the Cryptek's own unit not your ENTIRE army like Decurion.

There is seriously no reason not to use Decurion.

Umm, The Destroyer Cult is a ridiculous formation, but considering they sucked in the previous codex, I only had 3 regular and 2 Heavy. And I only owned one unit of Praetorians, so the Judicator Battalion was out. So my Destroyers, destroyer lord, praetorians, and Triarch Stalker were useless unless I bought more models. Same goes for the Deathbringer Flight. I only owned 1 Doom Scythe.

The tax on some of these formations can be an issue sometimes. So I will be using a CAD to play a different style every so often. It'll be rare, but still.

And I've found Crypteks to be very useful. I've run the Royal court on numerous occasions already, and had great success with it.

Umm, The Destroyer Cult is a ridiculous formation

youre not required to use a destroyer cult though. you can pick ANY one of the auxiliary formations to meet the decurion requirements.

again the benefits of decurion greatly outweight the disadvantages. GW didnt balance decurion very well IMO.

That's where the CAD comes in.

But your troops should always be in decurion. You can even take ghost arks as part of the decurion. And tombblades are one of our best units by far so having to take tombblades isnt a big deal.

and IMO destroyer cult should be a staple formation for necrons anyway. destroyers are basically way better crisis suits now. and destroyer cult is by far the best anti-marine formation we have.

Khobai wrote:

Umm, The Destroyer Cult is a ridiculous formation

youre not required to use a destroyer cult if you dont want to

Okay, then I'm not required to use anything if I don't want to. My point was a good 3-4 of the formations were not usable by me, even though I had an extensive collection of Necrons. And a lot of them I would like to use. That's where the CAD comes in.

 krodarklorr wrote:


And I've found Crypteks to be very useful. I've run the Royal court on numerous occasions already, and had great success with it.

I just wish the new Royal Court didn't require an additional Overlord. I like to play HQ-lite most of the time.

Did you use the Crypteks with the Chronometrons, and if so how did that work out?

 jasper76 wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:


And I've found Crypteks to be very useful. I've run the Royal court on numerous occasions already, and had great success with it.

I just wish the new Royal Court didn't require an additional Overlord. I like to play HQ-lite most of the time.

Did you use the Crypteks with the Chronometrons, and if so how did that work out? New Res Orbs?

Yeah, I like the idea of the leader of my Reclamation Legion to also have his personal royal court, but nah we gotta bring joe shmoe along too. lol

But yeah I used them with Chronometrons quite often. And I almost always have one equipped with the Solar Staff. And against that manticore, I did have to pop a res orb, but even against S10 AP4 I only lost 5 models. And I've taken numerous Phlegm Bombardments to the face of my 20 dudes, and between a 5++ and 4+++ even against that, I saved quite a few guys.

I just wish the new Royal Court didn't require an additional Overlord

Agreed.

Royal Court min requirement shouldve been 0-1 overlords and 3-6 lords OR crypteks.

I've been using the New Res Orb on my Destroyer Cult Lord and so far its working out very nice. I go plain with a Staff of Light and add PS + Res Orb, then attach him to a 20 man blob of Necrons to give them PE and a round of re-rolls (he's not doing anything for the rest of the Destroyer Cult).

With this new codex, I feel like I'm rerolling friggin everything, to hit, to wound, RPs from Res Orbs, RP from RL, and I havent even played the Judicator Batallion yet. This codex feels a whole lot different to me than the last one. I do hope Triarch Stalkers still play good, because that was one of my best units last codex.


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Khobai wrote:

I just wish the new Royal Court didn't require an additional Overlord

Agreed.

Royal Court min requirement shouldve been 0-1 overlords and 3-6 lords OR crypteks.

I didn't see what was wrong with the old system: 0-5/0-5 per Overlord.

I didn;t see anything wrong with the old Crypteks besides maybe that cheese with Despairteks and Deathmarks. I used to use them as lazcannon squads basically.

 jasper76 wrote:
I've been using the New Res Orb on my Destroyer Cult Lord and so far its working out very nice. I go plain with a Staff of Light and add a Res Orb, then attach him to a 20 man blob of Necrons to give them PE and a round of re-rolls (he's not doing anything for the rest of the Destroyer Cult).

With this new codex, I feel like I'm rerolling friggin everything, to hit, to wound, RPs from Res Orbs, RP from RL, and I havent even played the Judicator Batallion yet. This codex feels a whole lot different to me than the last one. I do hope Triarch Stalkers still play good, because that was one of my best units last codex.

OH, if you feel that way now. Play the Destroyer Cult with the Judicator Battalion. I plan on putting my D-Lord with Tesla Immortals for sweet, sweet BS10. And also BS10 Destroyers. I made my friend get back into 40k and then proceed to permanently quit the same night after playing a weaker version of that list (Flayed ones instead of tesla immortals, few changes here and there).

Even without Competitive optimization, that list is ridiculous, but also, sadly enough, fun as hell to play.

I didn't see what was wrong with the old system: 0-5/0-5 per Overlord.

Dunno. The main problem was cryptek deathstar with eldritch lances. But they got rid of that. So I guess the old system could work fine too. All I know is we shouldnt be forced to take a second overlord for the royal court.

I do hope Triarch Stalkers still play good, because that was one of my best units last codex.

Triarch Stalker is crap if you ask me. Its twice the size of a dreadnought, with no dread CCW, its only got one ranged weapon which sucks for weapon destroyed, and its open topped which is awful on a walker.

Heavy destroyers basically fill the same role better. And its not like killing vehicles is something necrons find particularly difficult anyway.

Targeting array/target designation is a neat trick but I really dont think its worth the points.

 krodarklorr wrote:
I plan on putting my D-Lord with Tesla Immortals for sweet, sweet BS10. And also BS10 Destroyers.

How do you do that?

 jasper76 wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I plan on putting my D-Lord with Tesla Immortals for sweet, sweet BS10. And also BS10 Destroyers.

How do you do that?

Well, combined with the Triarch Stalker from the Judicator Battalion, all units within 6" get +1 BS. So you have BS5 Immortals, that have PE from the D-Lord. So, they're firing with the effectiveness of BS10 (Hitting on 2s, rerolling)

Khobai wrote:

Triarch Stalker is crap if you ask me. Its twice the size of a dreadnought, with no dread CCW, its only got one ranged weapon which sucks for weapon destroyed, and its open topped which is awful on a walker.

I used to like it because it auto-hit from distance, frequently penned, and twin-linked your whole friggin army. I don't have the codex with me ATM but when I read over the new rules, I did get the impression it got nerfed.


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 krodarklorr wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
I plan on putting my D-Lord with Tesla Immortals for sweet, sweet BS10. And also BS10 Destroyers.

How do you do that?

Well, combined with the Triarch Stalker from the Judicator Battalion, all units within 6" get +1 BS. So you have BS5 Immortals, that have PE from the D-Lord. So, they're firing with the effectiveness of BS10 (Hitting on 2s, rerolling)

I used to like it because it auto-hit from distance, frequently penned, and auto-twin-linked your whole friggin army. I don't have the codex with me ATM but when I read over the new rules, I did get the impression it got nerfed.

I dont think it got nerfed so much as everything else got better.

It really needed a dread CCW to make it a viable choice. Its laughably bad in close combat, even a tomb spyder is better.

I only ever used it as a back-range model with TL HGC. Point shoot, TL army, destroy unit in early shooting phase, rinse, repeat, usually lasted 3 rounds, maybe more if I got Initiative or was playing against a slow army.

 jasper76 wrote:
I only ever used it as a back-range model with TL HGC. Point shoot, TL army, destroy unit in early shooting phase, rinse, repeat, usually lasted 3 rounds, maybe more if I got Initiative or was playing against a slow army.

I do miss tag-teaming it with my Deathmarks to take out a Wraithknight in one turn. But, overall, it got much cheaper, and there were sooo many times that even with the HGC, I missed even after the reroll, so it gave no benefit to my army. So, now that its cheaper, and just has a passive buff, I think is overall more useful. Also, squadrons of these things. Yes please.