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It feel like ever since the update, majority of Necron players I see now have lost 90% of their inventiveness for list making
Majority of lists I see are almost identical:

______________________
Overlord

10x warriors
10x warriors
5x immortals
5-6x tomb blades

Canoptek Harvest detachment

Canoptek Harvest detachment
______________________

I mean seriously, I feel sorry for the people you're playing against. Not because the list is strong, but because they're playing against the same boring list over-and-over again.
I've got almost 10,000 points of Necrons and I can tell you from experience there are other lists you can make that are funner and often better at annihilating the opposing player.

I've honestly probably seen one player use the Judicator battalion, and that detachment has worked wonders for me. Same for the destroyer cult and both the flayed ones and Nightbringer are fun as hell. I wiped out a squad of 13 kabalite warriors with sky of falling stars from my nightbringer in one turn, that's how strong it can be.

Even if you want to ditch the Decurion detachments all together like I usually do and run Crypteks for the 4+, do it, it's worth it!

Sorry for the rant, but seriously, get creative with the Newcrons, they can be amazing in many other ways besides 3+4+ wraiths. Which, mind you, can get countered so easily if people actually knew what they were doing

Why are GK players using only 4 types models over and over again? Because those things are good. Decurion necron seem to be better then non decurion necron. So people play them. Your probably also don't understand that most people do not own or want to buy 10000 points of necron. They want 1500 or what ever is played in their area, and they want the army to work. No one is going to buy ctans or other bad models, that may find use only on a full moon when they play that scout DA army with orc ally.

And most armies do not have a hard counter to +3/+3 re-roll 1s units.

Makumba wrote:
Why are GK players using only 4 types models over and over again? Because those things are good. Decurion necron seem to be better then non decurion necron. So people play them. Your probably also don't understand that most people do not own or want to buy 10000 points of necron. They want 1500 or what ever is played in their area, and they want the army to work. No one is going to buy ctans or other bad models, that may find use only on a full moon when they play that scout DA army with orc ally.

And most armies do not have a hard counter to +3/+3 re-roll 1s units.

All you have to do to counter the 3+/4+ is kill the Spyder. If there's no Spyder, there's no resurrection for Wraiths... I'm pretty sure any army is capable of doing that somehow.

I'm not saying people buy 10,000 points of Necrons, but try other things instead of going for the mainstream route. And I wouldn't say the Decurion is better than non Decurion, just a different play style. For example, I wasn't able to beat a cheese Eldar army with decurion + wraiths 2 games in a row, but the moment I bought my Non-Decurion gun line list I won, and that's just one example. Wraiths don't hit as hard as people think, so all they're going to be doing for half the game a lot of the time is tarpitting a unit... yay?

Games are won by grinding through the missions deck as fast as possible. So resilient units that move fast are good.

How is the I tailored to beat eldar different from I own 10000 of necron? So next time the only way for the eldar player to play is to either counter tailor, which requires buying more models, or losing to your tailored list. This more or less sets the entry army mark sky high, because a player needs to own several thousand of points of models and multiple codex in case his tailor list is impossible to be build with just one book. Which is offten the case for imperial armies,

That wasn't the point I was making with that. I was saying Decurion isn't necessarily the best and that was one example of why that is the case in my experience. Again, I'm not saying go and buy thousands of points worth of models.

I never play the same list twice. I prefer to diversify my army lists every game. Haven't played canoptek harvest once. I'm going to next time I play because I bought a Spyder now but I don't see the appeal in playing the same army over and over. If my opponent and I would both do that, we'd just be playing the same game over and over again.

I think it just comes down to your local meta and the kinda player you are. They see whats popular and good and they play it, over and over. Maybe afraid to take a chance on something outside that.

 daBIGboss wrote:
It feel like ever since the update, majority of Necron players I see now have lost 90% of their inventiveness for list making
Majority of lists I see are almost identical:

______________________
Overlord

10x warriors
10x warriors
5x immortals
5-6x tomb blades

Canoptek Harvest detachment

Canoptek Harvest detachment
______________________

Most people don't have 10,000 points of models, and what they do have reflects the meta of the previous codex. So, other than the Tomb Blades they have lots of the models in the list above and few of the previously craptastic models. That's why you see lots of the same when people are trying to use the new Decurion. People are just using what they have and can't drop hundreds of dollars and spend a dozen hours assembling and painting minis right away.

Give it time. I'm a Necron player and I just put together a Destroyer Cult, and definitely want to put together a Judicator formation. But with the constraints of time, money, and the general unavailability of the models you might have to sit tight for a bit.

Neither my partner nor I ever use Warriors in our Necron armies, because we find the 4+ save and S4 guns worthless compared to Immortals. So, no Decurions for us.Besides, the second HQ in the CAD is very useful, without having to waste points on Necron Lords.

Great, another "why won't everyone play the game the way I want them too" thread.

You could ask them to change playstyles. Playing the same over and over agian gets boring soon.

If they aren't interested in playing new stuff, just don't play with them.

I have been playing mostly Reclamation Legion + Destroyer Cult so far. In fact, I have only tried one other detachment (Deathbringer Flight).

I wouldn't blame people for a lack of creativity. At least within the Decurion, which is too good for most to pass up if you rely on RP, basically your entire army lists are prescribed for you, with a few choices here and there.

I'd guess at this point lots of people are playing with the formations that they already have table-ready models for. Wraiths were one of the most popular units last edition, so people have them.

For example, I bought, but never assembled or painted a Canoptek Spyder last edition. I wouldn't be able to run Canoptek Harvest ATM if I wanted to.

Decursion is too good to pass it up.
This means that one formation is fixed and the set of formations to complement the list is rather limited.
So yeah, not very ingenune.

that said I kinda like the Decurion formation over all. it really does tend to result in Necron forces that feel very fluffy. while also being quite powerful.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Decursion is too good to pass up

Seems to have polarised Necron players really, to quite a large extent.

Some think it's too good to pass up, others think it's too much of a free benefit to justify using.

 daBIGboss wrote:
Seriously, why are Necron players being so boring...

Seriously, why are people playing silent callous robots so boring |',,,'|

The weakness of the Decurion is that soon players will know exactly what units the majority of your armylist will contain, when you say you'll be bringing Necrons, so they can build a force against it.

Also, non-Decurion armies have more points to spend on other stuff since they dont have to take 1 extra Troops and a unit of Tomb Blades. They have easy access to cryptek or Orikan to buff an assault unit of their choice, or they can stick Szeras to a 20 warrior blob with the chance of making all of them BS5 or toughness 5.

You should look around. All the interesting lists are in CAD son!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/639196.page#7655180

I put that together and played it. It was a hell of a lot of fun too, and reminded me of the "good old days"
Everyone is more concerned about "the most competitive" lists/army comp, and for the moment, until the Necron dex gets a few tournaments under its belt, you are gonna see a lot of those lists.

I am not bringing because I just do not like tomb blades at all, mostly just the model, so I would just use a normal FoC.

 Sir Arun wrote:
The weakness of the Decurion is that soon players will know exactly what units the majority of your armylist will contain, when you say you'll be bringing Necrons, so they can build a force against it.

But thats the dull part.

There is nothing interesting about the same exact list with the same 4+++ with the same T5 3++ 4+++ near impossible to kill army.
Its less Game and more endurance test to see how much objectives you can get while waiting for there stuff to move forward and kill all your gak with near no retaliation in return besides incredibly over tailored lists.

Also Tailoring is pretty lame. meta tailoring not so much but stil.

 daBIGboss wrote:
It feel like ever since the update, majority of Necron players I see now have lost 90% of their inventiveness for list making
Majority of lists I see are almost identical:

______________________
Overlord

10x warriors
10x warriors
5x immortals
5-6x tomb blades

Canoptek Harvest detachment

Canoptek Harvest detachment
______________________

I mean seriously, I feel sorry for the people you're playing against. Not because the list is strong, but because they're playing against the same boring list over-and-over again.
I've got almost 10,000 points of Necrons and I can tell you from experience there are other lists you can make that are funner and often better at annihilating the opposing player.

I've honestly probably seen one player use the Judicator battalion, and that detachment has worked wonders for me. Same for the destroyer cult and both the flayed ones and Nightbringer are fun as hell. I wiped out a squad of 13 kabalite warriors with sky of falling stars from my nightbringer in one turn, that's how strong it can be.

Even if you want to ditch the Decurion detachments all together like I usually do and run Crypteks for the 4+, do it, it's worth it!

Sorry for the rant, but seriously, get creative with the Newcrons, they can be amazing in many other ways besides 3+4+ wraiths. Which, mind you, can get countered so easily if people actually knew what they were doing

Well I can't speak for all these people you refer to but hwere is the list I am finding to be fun:

Mephrit Dynasty Resurgence Formation (Monoliths heal D6 Warriors or D3 Immortals)
200 1 Monolith
130pts 10 Necron Warriors
130pts 10 Necron Warriors
85pts 5 Immortals
85pts 5 Immortals

Combined Arms Detachment
65pts 1 Cryptek
65pts 1 Cryptek
130pts 10 Necron Warriors
130pts 10 Necron Warriors

Combined Arms Detachment
115pts 1 Cryptek (Veil, Blinding Staff)
130pts 10 Necron Warriors
130pts 10Necron Warriors
104pts 8 Flayed ones

Living Tomb Formation
300 1 Obelisk
200 1 Monolith
1999 Points

Also here's a link to a running commentary on its battles:
Linkety link link

Because people lack creativity in a game that is designed for Forging the Narrative? Seriously, I played a very full Reclamation Legion (Lychguard, monolith, ghost ark, tons of warriors), a Royal Court, and a Canoptek Harvest. That was 1 out of 7 games so far, and it's the only time I've used the Canoptek Harvest. It was fun, don't get me wrong, but this book has so much more to offer, and it's a pity people won't see that.


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 Jancoran wrote:


Well I can't speak for all these people you refer to but hwere is the list I am finding to be fun:

Mephrit Dynasty Resurgence Formation (Monoliths heal D6 Warriors or D3 Immortals)
200 1 Monolith
130pts 10 Necron Warriors
130pts 10 Necron Warriors
85pts 5 Immortals
85pts 5 Immortals

Combined Arms Detachment
65pts 1 Cryptek
65pts 1 Cryptek
130pts 10 Necron Warriors
130pts 10 Necron Warriors

Combined Arms Detachment
115pts 1 Cryptek (Veil, Blinding Staff)
130pts 10 Necron Warriors
130pts 10Necron Warriors
104pts 8 Flayed ones

Living Tomb Formation
300 1 Obelisk
200 1 Monolith
1999 Points

Also here's a link to a running commentary on its battles:
Linkety link link

Can't have the Veil and the Solar Staff on one model. =P

Necrons are a boring army IMO. Compared to the other armies, they are THE MOST boring army to look at, I mean anyone can paint necrons to look good.

Even in game terms its the most 'ugh I cant be bothered fighting you' army in the game. My friend plays them and honestly the army bores me. Its the one army I will NEVER play.
Rant over.

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons are a boring army IMO. Compared to the other armies, they are THE MOST boring army to look at, I mean anyone can paint necrons to look good.

Even in game terms its the most 'ugh I cant be bothered fighting you' army in the game. My friend plays them and honestly the army bores me. Its the one army I will NEVER play.
Rant over.

The Decurion spam can be annoying, but I will fight Crons any time over Tau. Feth Tau.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons are a boring army IMO. Compared to the other armies, they are THE MOST boring army to look at, I mean anyone can paint necrons to look good.

Even in game terms its the most 'ugh I cant be bothered fighting you' army in the game. My friend plays them and honestly the army bores me. Its the one army I will NEVER play.
Rant over.

The Decurion spam can be annoying, but I will fight Crons any time over Tau. Feth Tau.

Why is it called Decurion "spam" What are they spamming with it?

 krodarklorr wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons are a boring army IMO. Compared to the other armies, they are THE MOST boring army to look at, I mean anyone can paint necrons to look good.

Even in game terms its the most 'ugh I cant be bothered fighting you' army in the game. My friend plays them and honestly the army bores me. Its the one army I will NEVER play.
Rant over.

The Decurion spam can be annoying, but I will fight Crons any time over Tau. Feth Tau.

Why is it called Decurion "spam" What are they spamming with it?

The Decurions them selves :trollface

Its like Spamming formations.. because it is

I do see the issue with people running just Canoptek Harvests in their lists and only Canoptek Harvests.

Personally (as a new Necron player) I LOVE almost everything about the army. Currently sitting on a base Decurion (with a Scythe for my Immortals) and an Annihilation Nexus. Getting more Tomb Blades and a Monolith in the near future, but beyond that I still want a Judicator Battalion, Deathbringer Flight, Deathmarks, Destroyer Cult, Canoptek Harvest, and Royal Court.

Very much looking forward to getting some playtime with everything in the book. Yes that will include a Canoptek Harvest, but that just comes with the territory of being a Necron Player

 Desubot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons are a boring army IMO. Compared to the other armies, they are THE MOST boring army to look at, I mean anyone can paint necrons to look good.

Even in game terms its the most 'ugh I cant be bothered fighting you' army in the game. My friend plays them and honestly the army bores me. Its the one army I will NEVER play.
Rant over.

The Decurion spam can be annoying, but I will fight Crons any time over Tau. Feth Tau.

Why is it called Decurion "spam" What are they spamming with it?

The Decurions them selves :trollface

Its like Spamming formations.. because it is

Blobs and blobs of Warriors. When its the same army every game, it gets boring quick. Plus they can be a PITA to put down.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:
Necrons are a boring army IMO. Compared to the other armies, they are THE MOST boring army to look at, I mean anyone can paint necrons to look good.

Even in game terms its the most 'ugh I cant be bothered fighting you' army in the game. My friend plays them and honestly the army bores me. Its the one army I will NEVER play.
Rant over.

The Decurion spam can be annoying, but I will fight Crons any time over Tau. Feth Tau.

Why is it called Decurion "spam" What are they spamming with it?

The Decurions them selves :trollface

Its like Spamming formations.. because it is

Blobs and blobs of Warriors. When its the same army every game, it gets boring quick. Plus they can be a PITA to put down.

Every game I've played so far I've used different stuff, mainly because I don't know what to fit into my lists now. There's so much I wanna use in this book. It saddens me that ither people don't feel the same.

 krodarklorr wrote:


Can't have the Veil and the Solar Staff on one model. =P

Whuuuuuuuuuuuut? Fer serious? did I miss some verbiage? I havent actually needed the Veil yet so thats probably a good thing, hehehe.