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 Grey Templar wrote:
On top of that, very few police officers are killed with any type of rifle. Such that they don't even have databases of weapon types used in officer shootings. At least none available to the public it seems.

The FBI site has numbers of officers killed and injured by rifle fire, but no further break down than that so we have little idea the rifle used much less the specific round fired

Well, it's less than with hammers and golf clubs; we know that.

 Ouze wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Sure, it was possible to take out all the guts and use the plastic case to house an actual gun.

Congratulations. You just defined a "firearm", under the gun control act.

Firearm. Any weapon, including a starter gun, which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or any destructive device; but the term shall not include an antique firearm. In the case of a licensed collector, the term shall mean only curios and relics.

IIRC all the holes in the lower to accept a M16 fire control group were present save one, and you'd need only a shim, thus - readily convertible.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

Not by my definition of "readily" convertible.

I would basically have to buy the entire gun separately to make that into a gun. In addition, as I recall from the video the ATF agent specifically mentioned the gun's little pin which shot the BBs down the barrel could set off a real round, which was found to be false as I also recall.

 Ouze wrote:
Well, it's less than with hammers and golf clubs; we know that.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2013/tables/table_27_leos_fk_type_of_weapon_2004-2013.xls
In 2013 (most recent figures) 5 Police Officers were slain by rifles of all types, not just AR15 derivatives. In the same time period 2 Federal Agents were killed "with firearms" (no breakdown given as to type of firearm).
The figures given were just 5 LEOs killed with any type of rifle, and 2 Federal Agents killed with firearms. So it seems unlikely that all 7 law enforcement personnel were killed using both an AR15, and one firing M855 rounds. Even if we accept that the 5 LEOs were killed with the M855 round that figure stands against the 765,000 sworn officers in the United States.

How many officers were killed in total?

 Grey Templar wrote:
How many officers were killed in total?

I think last year it was 126*

*Corrected

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/30/373985338/report-number-of-police-officers-killed-spikes-in-2014

 Grey Templar wrote:
I would basically have to buy the entire gun separately to make that into a gun.

No doubt, but the only part of the gun that matters is the lower, legally speaking.

I wonder if it would be possible to build a gun that didn't have a lower, that then technically wouldn't be a gun.

It's not always the lower.

For example, the FN Scar's upper is considered the firearm. Not its lower. Which is opposite to the AR.

Right, I was too specific with regards to this gun type.