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2015/03/31 12:45:10
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
If the hive mind is the internet, could there have been a 'Skynet' type takeover that caused the tyranids to become this insatiable hunger? (I just watched terminator) I suspect that there might be have been peaceful Tyranids somewhere in the past, they cant be pure predators from the start, they would have died off long before leaving their home world.
That would mean some form of re-programing. I guess it could be some form of virus or something that changed the nids. At some point there was hint's of it being a xenomorph, although I suspect that was back in the days when the connection with the Aliens films was much stronger.
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2015/03/31 14:37:39
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
You don't even want to know. To know the true depths of the Internet is to go mad.
The same is true for the Tyranid Hive Mind. No mortal being could possibly look upon it and remain sane. But in case you are more curious than intelligent and really must know, here is a picture:
Spoiler:
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2015/03/31 15:28:56
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
Two pages in and nobody has made a reference to Sara Kerrigan? I'm impressed, Dakka.
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2015/03/31 15:32:23
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
squidhills wrote: Two pages in and nobody has made a reference to Sara Kerrigan? I'm impressed, Dakka.
Because Kerrigan has little in common with the Tyranid Hive Mind. She is an ex-human, individualistic and led by emotion.
And the Zerg are an expy of the Tyranids, don't forget...
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2015/03/31 19:50:51
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
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2015/03/31 19:54:49
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
The Hive Mind has no physical form, it's a gestalt consciousness created by the teeming masses of Tyranid bioforms. It's, a best, a "staticy shadow" in the Warp, but is not housed in any single entity or creature.
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2015/04/01 17:34:25
Subject: Re:What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
well at least to me, the parallel between the hive mind and sauron are somewhat similar. Neither has any physical presense in the material world. But if a psyker closes his eyes and looks into the warp near any synapse creaters they would see/feel something terrifying. Who knows exactly what that would be described at, but it might come off as something similar to sauron.
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2015/04/01 18:24:34
Subject: Re:What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
well at least to me, the parallel between the hive mind and sauron are somewhat similar. Neither has any physical presense in the material world. But if a psyker closes his eyes and looks into the warp near any synapse creaters they would see/feel something terrifying. Who knows exactly what that would be described at, but it might come off as something similar to sauron.
....Sauron not only had a body in Lord of the Rings, but the eye didn't exist. It was a metaphor.
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2015/04/01 18:32:36
Subject: Re:What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
well at least to me, the parallel between the hive mind and sauron are somewhat similar. Neither has any physical presense in the material world. But if a psyker closes his eyes and looks into the warp near any synapse creaters they would see/feel something terrifying. Who knows exactly what that would be described at, but it might come off as something similar to sauron.
Sauron is far closer to a Chaos God than to the Hive Mind.
2015/04/01 18:34:42
Subject: Re:What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
well at least to me, the parallel between the hive mind and sauron are somewhat similar. Neither has any physical presense in the material world. But if a psyker closes his eyes and looks into the warp near any synapse creaters they would see/feel something terrifying. Who knows exactly what that would be described at, but it might come off as something similar to sauron.
Sauron is far closer to a Chaos God than to the Hive Mind.
Not even that, he's a straight up lesser angel.
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2015/04/01 20:13:53
Subject: Re:What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
well at least to me, the parallel between the hive mind and sauron are somewhat similar. Neither has any physical presense in the material world. But if a psyker closes his eyes and looks into the warp near any synapse creaters they would see/feel something terrifying. Who knows exactly what that would be described at, but it might come off as something similar to sauron.
Sauron is far closer to a Chaos God than to the Hive Mind.
Not even that, he's a straight up lesser angel.
Well yes, he is far smaller in scale. Still he is closer to a Chaos God than to the Hive Mind.
2015/04/03 16:47:09
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
Sauron did indeed have a body - in the Second Age of Middle Earth. It was even attractive and charismatic enough to persuade Celebrimbor to forge the Three, the Seven and the Nine Rings of Power.
Sauron poured his essence into the One Ring in order to control the other rings. When it was cut from his hand by Elendil at the end of the Second Age he was greatly weakened and was unable to physically reform.
Now, all that doesn't change the fact that The Lidless Eye is a manifestation of Sauron's terror and malice, not a physical thing. But Sauron did not have a body in the Third Age, when The Lord of the Rings takes place. Part of the danger of the One Ring is that if Sauron recovers it he can fully manifest once more.
And yes, Sauron is a fallen Maia, essentially a fallen angel. Morgoth would be a Satan analogy. Sauron was Morgoth's chief lieutenant in the First Age. The Judeo-Christian analogies in Tolkien are obvious and deliberate. He was a devout Roman Catholic whom C.S. Lewis credited (in part) for his conversion from atheism to Christianity. Read his account of the creation of Middle Earth if you have doubts - it reads a lot like Genesis.
I'm not sure Sauron is much like a Chaos God, but he's definitely nothing like the Hive Mind. Sauron is a corrupted divine being, not a gestalt conciousness or a manifestation of the subconcious untempered desires of sentient beings. 40K doesn't really have an analog for Sauron that I'm aware of.
Not that that's a bad thing. It's just a thing.
Sorry 'bout the wall of text.
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2015/04/03 17:08:54
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
Warboss Gorhack wrote: Sauron did indeed have a body - in the Second Age of Middle Earth. It was even attractive and charismatic enough to persuade Celebrimbor to forge the Three, the Seven and the Nine Rings of Power.
Sauron poured his essence into the One Ring in order to control the other rings. When it was cut from his hand by Elendil at the end of the Second Age he was greatly weakened and was unable to physically reform.
Now, all that doesn't change the fact that The Lidless Eye is a manifestation of Sauron's terror and malice, not a physical thing. But Sauron did not have a body in the Third Age, when The Lord of the Rings takes place. Part of the danger of the One Ring is that if Sauron recovers it he can fully manifest once more.
And yes, Sauron is a fallen Maia, essentially a fallen angel. Morgoth would be a Satan analogy. Sauron was Morgoth's chief lieutenant in the First Age. The Judeo-Christian analogies in Tolkien are obvious and deliberate. He was a devout Roman Catholic whom C.S. Lewis credited (in part) for his conversion from atheism to Christianity. Read his account of the creation of Middle Earth if you have doubts - it reads a lot like Genesis.
I'm not sure Sauron is much like a Chaos God, but he's definitely nothing like the Hive Mind. Sauron is a corrupted divine being, not a gestalt conciousness or a manifestation of the subconcious untempered desires of sentient beings. 40K doesn't really have an analog for Sauron that I'm aware of.
Not that that's a bad thing. It's just a thing.
Sorry 'bout the wall of text.
No, Sauron did have a body after his defeat. Regaining physical form wasn't the matter, the problem was that he held no true power (and another Maiar like Gandalf or exceptionally powerful Elf could quite possibly walk up and whallop him off his throne and seize the ring for himself/herself) as power is a finite resource in Tolkien's universe, and Sauron poured everything he had into the One Ring. He needed it to become the most powerful being still on the face of Middle Earth again, not to rregain physical form, he still had that. Gollum for example saw Sauron himself during his imprisonment.
`Yes, He has only four on the Black Hand, but they are enough,’ said Gollum shuddering’ (The Two Towers The black Gate is Closed)
If he has four fingers, he's got a body.
’And the prisoner is to be kept safe and intact... until He sends or comes Himself.’ (The Two Towers The Choices of Master Samwise)
He refers to Sauron, and an apparition wouldn't arrive itself, as it would have no means or torture the prisoner.
2060 - The power of Dol Guldor grows. The Wise fear that it may be Sauron taking shape again.
2063 - Gandalf goes to Dol Guldor. Sauron retreats and hides in the East.
2460 - Sauron returns with increased strength to Dol Guldor.
2941 - Sauron having made his plans abandons Dol Guldor.
2942 - Sauron returns in secret to Mordor. (RotK, Appendix A)
And this is from the Appendix. Sauron does indeed have a physical form, hence why "the wise" (probably the remaining Elvish royalty and the wizards along with some rangers) fear Sauron taking shape once more. He also kinda needs a body in the first place to even obtain the One Ring in the first place.
And yes yes. The Silmarillion, Lord of the Rings, and all other tales of Middle Earth are basically the more badass, less morally ambiguous prequel to the Bible.
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2015/04/03 18:38:34
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
Sir Samuel Buca wrote: I've always seen the Hive Mind as an extra-galactic Warp 'God', like a Chaos god of another galaxy, born from the intense hunger of the Tyranid race, reaching a level of sentience our gods can't, and fully taking direct control of the creatures that spawned it. The Hive Mind looks like every single Tyranid organism.
That... Actually makes sense.
2015/04/03 19:14:07
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
Sir Samuel Buca wrote: I've always seen the Hive Mind as an extra-galactic Warp 'God', like a Chaos god of another galaxy, born from the intense hunger of the Tyranid race, reaching a level of sentience our gods can't, and fully taking direct control of the creatures that spawned it. The Hive Mind looks like every single Tyranid organism.
That... Actually makes sense.
Although I actually think it is also like the internet reference, I also think this explanation is also very cool.
2015/04/07 06:36:41
Subject: Re:What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
But the psychic strings between each tyranid are razor sharp as to cut each and every attempt of astropathic communication into shreds of static, screams and pleas. This is what the imperials call "the Shadow on the Warp".
As to try to contact it, the best I can imagine is that it looks like this:
Eadartri wrote: I imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like the sum total of all Tyranid models or any one Tyranid model.
So basically a giant writhing mass of teeth, claws, and able to spit acid on stuff while being one if the most potent psychic entities known to man. Sounds scary enough.
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2015/04/12 06:41:30
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
Warboss Gorhack wrote: Sauron did indeed have a body - in the Second Age of Middle Earth. It was even attractive and charismatic enough to persuade Celebrimbor to forge the Three, the Seven and the Nine Rings of Power.
Sauron poured his essence into the One Ring in order to control the other rings. When it was cut from his hand by Elendil at the end of the Second Age he was greatly weakened and was unable to physically reform.
Now, all that doesn't change the fact that The Lidless Eye is a manifestation of Sauron's terror and malice, not a physical thing. But Sauron did not have a body in the Third Age, when The Lord of the Rings takes place. Part of the danger of the One Ring is that if Sauron recovers it he can fully manifest once more.
And yes, Sauron is a fallen Maia, essentially a fallen angel. Morgoth would be a Satan analogy. Sauron was Morgoth's chief lieutenant in the First Age. The Judeo-Christian analogies in Tolkien are obvious and deliberate. He was a devout Roman Catholic whom C.S. Lewis credited (in part) for his conversion from atheism to Christianity. Read his account of the creation of Middle Earth if you have doubts - it reads a lot like Genesis.
I'm not sure Sauron is much like a Chaos God, but he's definitely nothing like the Hive Mind. Sauron is a corrupted divine being, not a gestalt conciousness or a manifestation of the subconcious untempered desires of sentient beings. 40K doesn't really have an analog for Sauron that I'm aware of.
Not that that's a bad thing. It's just a thing.
Sorry 'bout the wall of text.
No, Sauron did have a body after his defeat. Regaining physical form wasn't the matter, the problem was that he held no true power (and another Maiar like Gandalf or exceptionally powerful Elf could quite possibly walk up and whallop him off his throne and seize the ring for himself/herself) as power is a finite resource in Tolkien's universe, and Sauron poured everything he had into the One Ring. He needed it to become the most powerful being still on the face of Middle Earth again, not to rregain physical form, he still had that. Gollum for example saw Sauron himself during his imprisonment.
`Yes, He has only four on the Black Hand, but they are enough,’ said Gollum shuddering’ (The Two Towers The black Gate is Closed)
If he has four fingers, he's got a body.
’And the prisoner is to be kept safe and intact... until He sends or comes Himself.’ (The Two Towers The Choices of Master Samwise)
He refers to Sauron, and an apparition wouldn't arrive itself, as it would have no means or torture the prisoner.
2060 - The power of Dol Guldor grows. The Wise fear that it may be Sauron taking shape again.
2063 - Gandalf goes to Dol Guldor. Sauron retreats and hides in the East.
2460 - Sauron returns with increased strength to Dol Guldor.
2941 - Sauron having made his plans abandons Dol Guldor.
2942 - Sauron returns in secret to Mordor. (RotK, Appendix A)
And this is from the Appendix. Sauron does indeed have a physical form, hence why "the wise" (probably the remaining Elvish royalty and the wizards along with some rangers) fear Sauron taking shape once more. He also kinda needs a body in the first place to even obtain the One Ring in the first place.
And yes yes. The Silmarillion, Lord of the Rings, and all other tales of Middle Earth are basically the more badass, less morally ambiguous prequel to the Bible.
Besides the whole scene in Mirkwood where he's cast out of dol guldor makes precious little sense if he didn't have a body (not that it stopped Peter Jackson ) given Sauron was physically present there to search for the one ring.
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2015/04/12 10:49:09
Subject: What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
Well since it is Tyranids, and since it is more of an entity like the internet, and the internet is really just tentacle you know what, and tentacles are all over the flood, I'm gonna say that if it took on a physical form it would look like the Gravemind. Look up pictures from Halo 2 Anniversary if you want to see its whole body.
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2015/04/15 23:02:45
Subject: Re:What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
RaptorusRex wrote: A single, frail humanoid entity that coruscates with terrible Warp-borne power. In battle, it is a terrible sight to behold- to the point of killing any and all Psykers who are on the field, their bodies spasming before violently exploding into clouds of gore. Thus, it needs no biomorphs- but relies instead on the sheer of weight psychic force present in the Synapse shared by the Tyranids.
I was going to say Nancy Pelosi , but this is pretty close.
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2015/04/16 13:28:43
Subject: Re:What do you imagine the Tyranid Hive Mind to look like?
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) given Sauron was physically present there to search for the one ring.
