Several current army standing in the ITC

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**EVIL INC**

Experiment 626 wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
clamclaw wrote:
EVIL INC wrote:

I also say wait a year or so when all the armies have been "updated". Then start watching the tourney scene and see how it goes.

That's a good point, since so many codex's are in flux right now. Hopefully GW rolls out the newest set relatively quickly, or I fear we'll see much more imbalanced tournament listings. Especially if all the new Eldar talk is true.

It's too late now, they've unbalanced it between 7th ed Codexes already. So when they're all out they're still gonna be imbalanced. And then we just start the cycle over again, isn't that exciting!

Considering that the new Eldar codex hasn't even seen actual release yet, let alone had some actual play time at any tournaments, I think it's perhaps a little early to claim the game in unplayable and Kraftworld Smelldar auto-win just by showing up...

But then I remember this is Dakka...

Your right, it was only a matter of time before that argument was shoehorned in to drag the thread off topic. I'm surprised it went this long. lol

Edit: Icculus, You are absolutely correct. Too many variables. Many have already been brought up and even after all of the are put forth, it still wouldnt cover such things as player skill, terrain, first turns, ect ect.

**niv-mizzet**

Icculus wrote:
I think this information is useful, to an extent, but is not done on a large enough scale to actually give you the true powerlevel of each codex.

The variables are far too numerable. First, you have the generals behind each army. I notice that people are commonly saying that "Orks are better than X army" or "Tau is worse than X"

Saying it that way takes the players out of the game and brings this down to who brought what codex should win, or should have an advantage. While, to an extent there is some truth to it, I'll bet that that any of those players who won a championship could probably beat your average 40k joe with almost any codex.

But again, I understand the OP is just here to present the facts and these facts are indeed interesting. I just dont think they should be interpreted as the official power level of a codex.

You are very correct. The actual amount of variables in the game is staggering, and I would hope no one comes away with a mere 14 figure result as anything highly definitive. We can make general conclusions like eldar and necrons being top dogs as primary detachments go, since they're so far away from the other numbers. This is just yet another set of data points in the endless sea of data points.

I would call the span of 14 tournaments a bit better for analysis than say...a one-shot Las Vegas open or adepticon, even if the 14 events are all much smaller. (Small repeated incidents prove more than an isolated incident.)

**sudojoe**

I don't quite get some of the results. One event had a first place army with Eldar + Tau + inqisition. That would suggest that the ITC doesn't share the same rules sets for detachments? I always thought the shared similar ground rules but then again, some were specific highlander format it seems.

Inquisition seemed to be around 20-30's rank on average, fairly infrequently used with only 1-2 per tournament and extremely rare as primary detatchment. did not appear in 4 tournaments especially the smaller ones. 1x first place victory with a 3x race detatchment build.

**niv-mizzet**

ITC rules are not set in stone. They offer up their own rulings and mission types, but tourneys can use their own instead if desired. (Yet another variable to worry about -_-)

This does mean as far as I can tell, that you could be an official ITC event even if you only allowed say...space wolf armies.

Some of the big events are literally run BY them, so those obviously follow their own rules.