Starcraft Miniatures by Prodos?

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**HudsonD**

First stuff first, having things to say, and being able to express them well, are two different concepts.
In other words, PR is a job, a real job, with specific skills required.
Being knowledgeable and enthusiastic about your product, or otherwise very competent at your job is important, but won't necessarily translate into being good at PR.

I've pledged for the Warzone KS, got my stuff, and I'm happy with it. I'm fully intent on buying more when I can.
I've also pledged for the AvP KS, and if my nickname and avatar don't tell you how much I like the license, nothing will. Yeah, I'd like my stuff, and all the delays are annoying. I don't think it's all in Prodos' hands however. Could Prodos have done better in some places ? Certainly. In the end though, as long as we get good minis on par with the Warzone stuff, I'm pretty sure most people, myself included, will overlook the delays.

Now, 15mm Starcraft mini line ? Hell yeah !

**Warzone Resurrection**

warboss wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
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Please respond to my service@prodos.co.uk mail with examples of me laying or offending anyone, this is not the place to discuss this at all.

This isn't your KS. You can't unilaterally shut down access because you feel like it under false pretenses (since YOU said there wasn't any IP dispute yet that is the reason you CHOSE to close down the KS). If you feel your company's actions and the effects of them as justification for pledging/not pledging for your next project is off topic, you can press the warning button to alert one of the mods just like the rest of us. You don't get to decide on your own with no input from thousands of readers to simply shut the discussion down when it becomes inconvienent due to your own actions and that of Fox.

LEt me clear this, my intention was to stay on the topic as per DakkaDakka rules.

**Nostromodamus**

In the interests of being fair, Prodos has done some great work for Wolsung. Very happy with that stuff.

**krazynadechukr**

I'm gonna have to get into this!

**Warzone Resurrection**

Alex C wrote:
Oh for feth sake Jarek.

I edit my post after some reflection that sure, I'm probably being unfair, now this.

I can't give you any specific quotes as the KS page was taken down and you edit everything else.

Several times during the project we were lied to. You said there would be a gameplay video, we got nothing. You said there would be rules to see before the end, but nope. We were supposed to get army lists to plan our final pledges, again, nothing.

After the campaign we get into all the lies about delivery, wave shipments, project status etc.

fething hell, if you can't see how gakky you've treated everyone that gave you money almost 18 months ago then I have no hope of getting through to you.

I'm tired of this whole fething charade. You won't refund me. No doubt I'll get the shittiest models and game components you have. But I'm far from the only dissatisfied customer, not even the most vocal.

You ask me to provide an example of you insulting backers. Well, you provided your own in the same post. "I would suggest starting your own business blah blah blah". How fething childish. I have no desire to start a company doing licensed games. Evidently you do, which is why I gave you money.

A decision I thoroughly regret.

We have explained the reason for delays, damn I even shared the pic from the approval system just make sure I won't get accused for lying.... we have said why KS page needed to go and I've, in the name of the whole Prodos company, apologised for the delay. If that, in your opinion, is treating "gakky everyone", then I don't have any idea what else we could do to please you.

My intention was not to insult you, but to explain or rather to show different view on the case, from our perspective and all Prodos employees, as, clearly, your words may be coming through out "pissed off backer" filter.

**adamsouza**

The Starcraft stuff looks pretty, and since it's not a KS, I can't really see there being any issues. When it comes out, if you like it, you can buy it.

**Pete Melvin**

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Alex C wrote:
Funny how I'm the one constantly picked out amongst the MANY vocal, dissatisfied customers here.

I'll be fair with you as soon as you demonstrate that your company is at a level above fething amateurs, or you give me my money back.

While we're talking about being fair with people, maybe go over the concept with your CEO. He certainly has not been above lying to and insulting backers.

I'm critical of some other companies and projects, sure, but few companies display your level of incompetence and deceit so perhaps that's why I seem overly harsh on Prodos.

Can you please, be specific when I have been lying to any one?

Or when I have been insulting backers?

I don't have time for any PR, at all, also I stay away from forums like Dakka Dakka is because its distraction from work...clearly it is difficult to find anything creative on the forums nowadays anyway.

I would suggest to maybe start up your own business and get into someone shoes to see how much sweat, tears and nerves cost to develop the license product before you flame anywone. And all of that is happening behind the scenes, and there is no need to share with you or any backer that pain at all.

Please respond to my service@prodos.co.uk mail with examples of me laying or offending anyone, this is not the place to discuss this at all.

Jeez dude, the man apologised and this is the post you respond with? Well you were right about one thing, you clearly don't have any time for PR.

**HudsonD**

Warzone Resurrection wrote:

We have explained the reason for delays, damn I even shared the pic from the approval system just make sure I won't get accused for lying.... we have said why KS page needed to go and I've, in the name of the whole Prodos company, apologised for the delay. If that, in your opinion, is treating "gakky everyone", then I don't have any idea what else we could do to please you.

My intention was not to insult you, but to explain or rather to show different view on the case, from our perspective and all Prodos employees, as, clearly, your words may be coming through out "pissed off backer" filter.

We know you care, we all do, if none of us cared, we wouldn't go on rants and ask for our stuff, we'd just shrug it as a loss. So lets all take a deep breath and realize we're on the same boat, right ?

**Warzone Resurrection**

Alex C wrote:
In the interests of being fair, Prodos has done some great work for Wolsung. Very happy with that stuff.

We've been helping out 8 other KS thus far.

Joking aside, I wish we had such support in the Warzone KS era (it's like 1 million years away for us)

it was one hell of a ride!

**His Master's Voice**

Pete Melvin wrote:
Jeez dude, the man apologised and this is the post you respond with? Well you were right about one thing, you clearly don't have any time for PR.

May I suggest reading the full quote in your post?

**Pete Melvin**

His Master's Voice wrote:
Pete Melvin wrote:
Jeez dude, the man apologised and this is the post you respond with? Well you were right about one thing, you clearly don't have any time for PR.

May I suggest reading the full quote in your post?

And may I suggest you read this quote slightly further down the page which was AFTER the post quoted by Prodos?

Alex C wrote:
Apologies.

Just tired of waiting.

Then gotta wait some more after the initial wave.

You're probably in the same boat though I suppose.

I'm just such a big fan of the IP, I get so emotionally invested. You guys know what I mean. To see things constantly delayed is frustrating, then I just feel like I'm being fed bullgak excuses, but I guess I forget a lot of it is out of your hands at this point.

I just want this to be perfect. Models look awesome. I want the game to be as awesome, or better. Both the board and war games. You do too, of course.

Life feels gakky right now. Lots going on here that sucks. I guess I'm just lashing out for no good reason. Again, apologies.

**Nostromodamus**

Actually I edited the rant with the apology.

**Warzone Resurrection**

Pete Melvin wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
Pete Melvin wrote:
Jeez dude, the man apologised and this is the post you respond with? Well you were right about one thing, you clearly don't have any time for PR.

May I suggest reading the full quote in your post?

And may I suggest you read this quote slightly further down the page which was AFTER the post quoted by Prodos?

Alex C wrote:
Apologies.

Just tired of waiting.

Then gotta wait some more after the initial wave.

You're probably in the same boat though I suppose.

I'm just such a big fan of the IP, I get so emotionally invested. You guys know what I mean. To see things constantly delayed is frustrating, then I just feel like I'm being fed bullgak excuses, but I guess I forget a lot of it is out of your hands at this point.

I just want this to be perfect. Models look awesome. I want the game to be as awesome, or better. Both the board and war games. You do too, of course.

Life feels gakky right now. Lots going on here that sucks. I guess I'm just lashing out for no good reason. Again, apologies.

I missed that bottom post, my apology. And yes we are on the same boat, we are stirring it, are a passenger and our navigator is the licensor.

**fattdex**

1) Go home, Prodos rep, you're drunk. There is zero point in arguing like an fool, you haven't appeased the other poster and now you sound like a bitter jerk. Stahp.
2) if it is a product dropping straight to retail, colour me interested. From what i have seen warzone is doing alright and avp will do alright when it is finally sorted. I have no dog in either fight, so I'm more interested in finding out what the op is all about than dogpiling hate on kickstarters when it seems that this hasn't anything to do with kickstarter.

**nkelsch**

Amazing how this works... A company makes a product, fully accepts the risks, releases it at retail for a price, We pay them that price, We get the product immediately.

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

If this makes a retail release, we can either 'buy' or 'not buy' based upon value and quality observations of a finished product. Sounds reasonable to me. I wish more companies worked this way.

**fattdex**

Funny how it actually now sounds like a revolutionary concept.

**His Master's Voice**

Pete Melvin wrote:
And may I suggest you read this quote slightly further down the page which was AFTER the post quoted by Prodos?

No, you may not. The response was to a Strength D apoc template rant, not to the apology posted later.

There is no reason to attack any of the involved parties, nor lend moral support to anyone, as they seem to be handling the situation quite well, without outside interference.

**Theophony**

nkelsch wrote:
Amazing how this works... A company makes a product, fully accepts the risks, releases it at retail for a price, We pay them that price, We get the product immediately.

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

If this makes a retail release, we can either 'buy' or 'not buy' based upon value and quality observations of a finished product. Sounds reasonable to me. I wish more companies worked this way.

problem is Prodos did not fully accept the risks

They shoved the risks (money invested) onto the backers and that is where the problem lays. I'm sure there would be a better community support for them IF the kickstarter page was still accessible and backers could feel that they were able to vent frustrations or see progress. But what happens is no company communications besides "Soon" and other items get developed and put out in the meantime. Even though we know that a company must keep earning money to stay afloat there is always the feeling in the back of ones mind that "They have my money+ they aren't giving me my stuff= they must be Thieves" even though we really know they are working on the project and are stuck as well. But that is something for PR people to handle.....much like a companies official prescence on a gaming forum.

**Medium of Death**

I told you all it was a bad sign when they couldn't even get Xenomorph feet right...

**nkelsch**

Theophony wrote:
nkelsch wrote:
Amazing how this works... A company makes a product, fully accepts the risks, releases it at retail for a price, We pay them that price, We get the product immediately.

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

If this makes a retail release, we can either 'buy' or 'not buy' based upon value and quality observations of a finished product. Sounds reasonable to me. I wish more companies worked this way.

problem is Prodos did not fully accept the risks They shoved the risks (money invested) onto the backers and that is where the problem lays. I'm sure there would be a better community support for them IF the kickstarter page was still accessible and backers could feel that they were able to vent frustrations or see progress. But what happens is no company communications besides "Soon" and other items get developed and put out in the meantime. Even though we know that a company must keep earning money to stay afloat there is always the feeling in the back of ones mind that "They have my money+ they aren't giving me my stuff= they must be Thieves" even though we really know they are working on the project and are stuck as well. But that is something for PR people to handle.....much like a companies official prescence on a gaming forum.

I was talking about the Starcraft stuff not being a KS... And purposely referencing the previous KS campaigns.

So in regards to Starcraft, if they make a retail release without any form of pre-funding, then they are for that project accepting the risks and not relying on vaporware or free money to get the product to retail, just the strength of the final product and the strength of the value set by the price point.

**Pacific**

Ignoring all of the handbags at dawn and one-upmanship for a moment, that looks like pretty small scale (perhaps even 10mm?)

Very, very excited about this! As a massive Starcraft fan I would absolutely love mass battles of Marines against Zerg.

Glad to hear this isn't a KS as well.

**His Master's Voice**

Wouldn't it be such a sweet, sweet slice of the irony pie if the next big Epic style game used Starcraft lore as a base?

**NAVARRO**

nkelsch wrote:
Amazing how this works... A company makes a product, fully accepts the risks, releases it at retail for a price, We pay them that price, We get the product immediately.

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

If this makes a retail release, we can either 'buy' or 'not buy' based upon value and quality observations of a finished product. Sounds reasonable to me. I wish more companies worked this way.

Yes me too and I miss that more and more.
KS is not going away anytime soon though.

As for AVP debacle, like all KS's its a huge risk that backers freely decide to take period. At the end of the day many things can happen to these projects. AVP is delayed due to many explained reasons and communication has been a bit up and down so what? Are you afraid to lose your money? Well think about it next time you go KS route because all of them are just that, risky investments ( some more controlled than others).
Without taking sides on this I think that the minis sculpted so far that I have seen last salute DEMAND to be produced and sold, they were that good ( and Im also Giger's fan nº1

).
So less drama and more work, get these done already.

As for the 10mms Starcraft, not interested on that scale but looking very sharp.

**Silent Puffin?**

nkelsch wrote:

I didn't know miniature-based games *COULD* be obtained any other way but a KS full of false promises, vaporware designs and 10+ month waits...

Kickstarters are inherently risky for the backer yet an excellent way for small developers to fund their product. It will not be going away for a very long time and complaining about it is about as meaningful about complaining that rain is wet.

The big issue with Kickstarters is that far too many people simply don't understand the inherent risks involved, by far the most prevalent of which is delays. I have pledged 6 KSs so far and I have received a grand total of 1 of them; the one that I am most looking forward to was recently delayed for an entire year (and probably more) while another hasn't had an update in 6 months. Its simply one of those things.

Personally I am more irritated by Prodos's seeming inability to concentrate on 1 game system given that I have invested quite heavily in Warzone.

As for 6mm Starcraft (these look a little too small for 10mm) then I am fairly lukewarm as I'm just not that interested in Starcraft, at least in its modern form, but I withhold judgement until I see more.

**Squidmanlolz**

judgedoug wrote:
His Master's Voice wrote:
Squidmanlolz wrote:
EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

No, they look like they have plenty of fine detail, even for 15 mm.

Yeah, those would be the most impressive 10mm figures ever made, and if they are 15mm, in the top tier.

Apologies. I may have been being a bit harsh. I guess I just don't like them. The Zergling heads look a little mushy and the Hydralisk just looks off to me. I'm probably being a stickler.

**privateer4hire**

StarCraft in smaller scale with good coverage of minis (that are hopefully all scaled consistently in the line) would be amazing.

Not since WOTC had the license for them and dropped producing their 25/28mm versions when they pulled plug on Alternity StarCraft game has it looked this promising.

The fact this isn't KS is even better. I'm tired of KS-based stuff that cuts the FLGS out of the loop. Hard to sell a company's stuff at MSRP when they've sold it via KS at 1/xth the price (deep discount).

**pancakeonions**

Sorry to take this thread, er, off topic...

But:

1. Does anyone have any more information on those figures?
2. Are they associated with a game?
3. Is there a timeline for release?

They look fantastic, and I'd love to learn more. They look roughly in scale with the excellent FFG figures from the Starcraft boardgame!

**lord_blackfang**

paulson games wrote:

Spoiler:

SAURON CREATED ZERG!

**pancakeonions**

Groovy!

Seems this is fresh off the presses, and no one really knows much. But folks sure love to complain. Amen.

**privateer4hire**

Pete Melvin wrote:
Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? ..

Of course not. It was destroyed when Frodo chucked it into Mt. Doom.
That's a replica