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 Arrias117 wrote:
My issue with GK is actually how defined they are. My Tyranids are a custom Hive Fleet. My Tau are a custom hunter cadre. I'd love to build a GK army, but I feel like unless you go "super special snowflake" there's no room for a custom brotherhood.

yeah, and the new 'dex didn't help in that regard when they named each brotherhood leader etc.


for me the problem with GKs ultimatly comes from a few soruces. the first is the "multi kit" approuch they took. GKs have multiple units but only 3 or so kits (ignoring stuff they share with marines). thus you basicly build everything out of those two kits. some additional kits to fill these units out and make em feel more distinct would be nice. GKs also lack in the vehicle department. all their vehicles are transports. IO think this was an intentional design decision but it really is a limiter.


right now my gut feeling is the 7tbh edition GK codex is almost a semi-place holder for future expansion. right now it just feels like it's "a start but not yet finished"

So what should a Grey Knight Army have added to it that is part of Grey Knight Chapter?

 Anpu42 wrote:
So what should a Grey Knight Army have added to it that is part of Grey Knight Chapter?

If it were me I would have made legacies and relic options. It would make sense that a group of terminators might be experienced in kill MC's and another group is experience against shutting down sorceries, while a third might be experience in fighting large numbers of small daemons. These guys after all are supposed to have long busy careers.

This IMO would be well represented by a combi-formation detachment (ie decurion style). Take a core detachment, then the auxiliary choice have different special rules-monsters hunter, deny the witch 5+, rampage, etc. Making them into a combi-formation detachment helps to keep things a little more balanced and if done right will keep people from making lists that are too spammy. Formations would also fit well with how GKs operate in the fluff as it isn't uncommon for these guys to show up with 1 unit of terminators and requisition the army they need (of course then they purge them for coming in contact with chaos... )

More relics because GK are the super special snowflake army. There are more elite captain level astartes in a single paladin unit than some SM chapters. I want an excuse to make every single GK look like a special character.

I must be one of the few people here that not only still enjoys playing Grey Knights, but is actually am having more fun in 7th with my GK than in any of the previous editions (3rd thru 6th). And weird part is, I'm still playing roughly same list I've been playing since the 5th Ed codex, which was a TDA heavy Ghostwing, which saw a minor shift to a more Shunt focused list in 6th, and swapping out Mordrak and Ghosts for Draigo and more GKT.

At first I struggled to find my way in 7th, then I learn to love the bomb, ie, Maelstrom. GK as a stand alone army is made for Marlstrom.

Sorry to see such negativity and blandness in other people's use of the Emperor's Righteous Hammer. Guess yall are miss' out on a good thing.

SJ

 ansacs wrote:

If it were me I would have made legacies and relic options. It would make sense that a group of terminators might be experienced in kill MC's and another group is experience against shutting down sorceries, while a third might be experience in fighting large numbers of small daemons. These guys after all are supposed to have long busy careers.

This IMO would be well represented by a combi-formation detachment (ie decurion style). Take a core detachment, then the auxiliary choice have different special rules-monsters hunter, deny the witch 5+, rampage, etc.

This! I would kill for this in all armies.

As a CSM player please tell me more about your bland codex full of unusable units.

MarsNZ wrote:
As a CSM player please tell me more about your bland codex full of unusable units.

And the rabbits too?

I feel for the OP. My orks got nerfed to the point where green tide is th go to list for comp play but theres still loads of variety for other lists that can still pack a punch.

I am looking at my next army and considered GK for there super elite style. Its totally opposite to orks but the lack of variety turned me off them too.

CSM will likely get a codex reboot soon. But soon is likely after the potential daemon kin cycle so hang in there.

MarsNZ wrote:
As a CSM player please tell me more about your bland codex full of unusable units.

That is exactly what no one has called the GK codex. Where you have unusable units, GK has *no* units.

I'm not saying CSM is good by any means. It's such a lackluster codex, but your attempt to use your codex to make the GK look fantastic in comparison fell incredibly flat on its face. While the CSM codex is bad, it's at least not half a codex.

Grey Knights are an elite army with elite choices that represent a small set of defined playstyles. This makes the GKs a master class army. Sorry to hear so many players aren't up to the challenge.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Grey Knights are an elite army with elite choices that represent a small set of defined playstyles. This makes the GKs a master class army. Sorry to hear so many players aren't up to the challenge.

SJ

'It's not bland, you just don't play it well enough'. Sure.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Grey Knights are an elite army with elite choices that represent a small set of defined playstyles. This makes the GKs a master class army. Sorry to hear so many players aren't up to the challenge.

SJ

I've been up to the BA challenge for quite a while now and I can see why people are sick and tired.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Grey Knights are an elite army with elite choices that represent a small set of defined playstyles. This makes the GKs a master class army. Sorry to hear so many players aren't up to the challenge.

SJ

'It's not bland, you just don't play it well enough'. Sure.

Martel732 wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Grey Knights are an elite army with elite choices that represent a small set of defined playstyles. This makes the GKs a master class army. Sorry to hear so many players aren't up to the challenge.

SJ

I've been up to the BA challenge for quite a while now and I can see why people are sick and tired.

Sorry to hear that not being a point and click army has caused some players to see "blandness" where "some skill required" is found. I'm not saying "L2P", I am saying "if this game is too boring, good luck playing an game that requires some skill to play." Gone are days, it seems, when people spend time and effort to get better at an aspect of a game or hobby. These days it seems to be that people undersell their own capabilities by jumping from flavor-of-the-month to flavor-of-the-month looking for the "I win" button that requires the least amount of effort. Well, Grey Knights currently require effort to win with. I'd rather see players put in the effort to get good at playing an army than to give up because reasons.

Oh well.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Grey Knights are an elite army with elite choices that represent a small set of defined playstyles. This makes the GKs a master class army. Sorry to hear so many players aren't up to the challenge.

SJ

'It's not bland, you just don't play it well enough'. Sure.

Martel732 wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Grey Knights are an elite army with elite choices that represent a small set of defined playstyles. This makes the GKs a master class army. Sorry to hear so many players aren't up to the challenge.

SJ

I've been up to the BA challenge for quite a while now and I can see why people are sick and tired.

Sorry to hear that not being a point and click army has caused some players to see "blandness" where "some skill required" is found. I'm not saying "L2P", I am saying "if this game is too boring, good luck playing an game that requires some skill to play." Gone are days, it seems, when people spend time and effort to get better at an aspect of a game or hobby. These days it seems to be that people undersell their own capabilities by jumping from flavor-of-the-month to flavor-of-the-month looking for the "I win" button that requires the least amount of effort. Well, Grey Knights currently require effort to win with. I'd rather see players put in the effort to get good at playing an army than to give up because reasons.

Oh well.

SJ

You couldn't have been more off point. OP said he does well and is competitive with them, he's just saying he wishes they had more unit variety, as do most in this thread. Instead of telling others to learn 2 play, you should learn 2 read.

 Smotejob wrote:
So, I've decided that it is time to put my grey knights on the shelf. I gave them the best go i could since their newest codex came about, but there is so little flavor in it I've become bored.

Not for lack of game play, I get plenty of games and have a very competitive record with them. They are really quite well painted.

Just wish there was more to the codex. Gw, my complaint isn't their power level, just lack of variety. Give them a new detachment, mordrak and his ghost knights or something with flavor.

As for now, Sleep well brothers.

Yeah they definitely have a lack of variety. They've stayed fun for me by using various Imperial allies. I took a 3 Dev squad Imperial Fist detachment to handle my Anti-tank needs to Adepticon and did fine, and I have a few lists using Inquisition to fill in some of those gaps as well.

It would have been nice if they were going to limit our unit options to give us the opportunity to take more of a variety of special weapons, though.

There is a lot of fun to be had with cleansing flame spam. Crowe in a LR with 10 man purifier hits harder than any other squad I've ever used - yeah it's expensive but it' still hits invis - wrecks FMC - and wrecks almost anything without a 2+ save. You can build around it. It's more fun that mass DK or mass GKT.

Try that if you are bored.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Grey Knights are an elite army with elite choices that represent a small set of defined playstyles. This makes the GKs a master class army. Sorry to hear so many players aren't up to the challenge.

SJ

'It's not bland, you just don't play it well enough'. Sure.

Martel732 wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
Grey Knights are an elite army with elite choices that represent a small set of defined playstyles. This makes the GKs a master class army. Sorry to hear so many players aren't up to the challenge.

SJ

I've been up to the BA challenge for quite a while now and I can see why people are sick and tired.

Sorry to hear that not being a point and click army has caused some players to see "blandness" where "some skill required" is found. I'm not saying "L2P", I am saying "if this game is too boring, good luck playing an game that requires some skill to play." Gone are days, it seems, when people spend time and effort to get better at an aspect of a game or hobby. These days it seems to be that people undersell their own capabilities by jumping from flavor-of-the-month to flavor-of-the-month looking for the "I win" button that requires the least amount of effort. Well, Grey Knights currently require effort to win with. I'd rather see players put in the effort to get good at playing an army than to give up because reasons.

Oh well.

SJ

You couldn't have been more off point. OP said he does well and is competitive with them, he's just saying he wishes they had more unit variety, as do most in this thread. Instead of telling others to learn 2 play, you should learn 2 read.

Maybe you're the one that needs to learn to read. My statements were made in response to the posters calling the army bland and boring after I pointed out how much fun I'm having with the army, not to the OP.

SJ

Just because you're enjoying it, doesn't mean everyone is. You don't find them bland, good for you! Apparantly lots of people do, and I can see why.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:


You couldn't have been more off point. OP said he does well and is competitive with them, he's just saying he wishes they had more unit variety, as do most in this thread. Instead of telling others to learn 2 play, you should learn 2 read.

Maybe you're the one that needs to learn to read. My statements were made in response to the posters calling the army bland and boring after I pointed out how much fun I'm having with the army, not to the OP.

SJ

Sorry to hear that not being a point and click army has caused some players to see "blandness" where "some skill required" is found. I'm not saying "L2P", I am saying "if this game is too boring, good luck playing an game that requires some skill to play."

Literally taken from the post above mine. People aren't saying their bland because they're hard to play, people are calling them bland and boring because there's only 6 units in the codex. Glad you find them fun, most people don't.

 Purifier wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
As a CSM player please tell me more about your bland codex full of unusable units.

That is exactly what no one has called the GK codex. Where you have unusable units, GK has *no* units.

I'm not saying CSM is good by any means. It's such a lackluster codex, but your attempt to use your codex to make the GK look fantastic in comparison fell incredibly flat on its face. While the CSM codex is bad, it's at least not half a codex.

I didn't say it wasn't so your attempt to carry on the GK pity party fell flat on it's face. Lots of codex's are dull and lack units, you can't be the special snowflake in everything mate.

Arguably, the BA have fewer than six units.

To the OP I know what you mean how sometimes the flavor of your current army may get stale and you want to try something else. Its one of the reasons why I have x2 armies (Tau and Imperial Guard) to give me some variety when it comes to both gameplay and fluff. My Tau are pure suits so semi-mobile heavy infantry back by some MC's, my Death Korps of Krieg are made up of Heavy Armor and my Elysians are a very fast moving army heavy with Flyers. Each are unique enough play style wise and fluff wise that if I ever feel the need for a change up I just switch between armies.

MarsNZ wrote:

 Purifier wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
As a CSM player please tell me more about your bland codex full of unusable units.

That is exactly what no one has called the GK codex. Where you have unusable units, GK has *no* units.

I'm not saying CSM is good by any means. It's such a lackluster codex, but your attempt to use your codex to make the GK look fantastic in comparison fell incredibly flat on its face. While the CSM codex is bad, it's at least not half a codex.

I didn't say it wasn't so your attempt to carry on the GK pity party fell flat on it's face. Lots of codex's are dull and lack units, you can't be the special snowflake in everything mate.

It's not a competition guys. You both have crap Codexes, happy?

You can still ally inquisitorial units to have a similiar army to before, and to have variety. And as stated before, allying is pretty standard these days. If you choose not to then that's a choice you're making, the game does allow you to build an army with variety, that's undeniable.

Some books suck, some don't. This also varies with the person, period. You can choose to ally to fix the lacking parts of your book, or you can choose not to, be unhappy about it and complain how the Codex is bad. Or, you can shelve them/quit the game. Those are, in the end, your actual options. The complaining one does nothing for you, by the way.

I don't know anyone who plays single CAD anymore tbh.

I still fail to see a point of posting about shelving your army but whatever. Attention or something I guess.

Or maybe because it's cathartic? You don't have to read complaints, but sometimes venting helps.

You can, ofcourse, vent your frustration by posting on the forums, sure.

I have been going over my Codex: Grey Knights and I can not think of what more could be added to them other than maybe Centurions....

Martel732 wrote:
Arguably, the BA have fewer than six units.

BA are bad - worse than GK - no doubts there. Both have very few useful units though.


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 Anpu42 wrote:
I have been going over my Codex: Grey Knights and I can not think of what more could be added to them other than maybe Centurions....

Drop pods for purfiers - done.

Drop Pods or something similar like Web-Way-Portals would be good or just giving all PAGK Deep Strike.
Letting Dreads take the Personal Teleporters.
Grey Knight Centurions with Psi-Cannons, Psilencers and Incinerators [With Torrent] would be great.

I do wish Psi-Bolts become returned as standard issue.