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The question I asked that you ignored was, would you trust GW to advance the plot given what they did to their other largely static setting when they finally decided to kick it into gear?
Because this is a non-question. There is no story, there is no plot. There's events described in various Codices and such that have no significant impact on the setting as a whole. Worlds are lost to various Xenos or Chaos, worlds are discovered by Explorator Fleets and crusading Space Marines or Imperial Guards. Figures die and are replaced by someone else. Regiments and Chapters are wiped out, only to be renewed by new Foundings.
It's a static setting, with a whole lot of wheel-spinning and not much actually happening or progressing in any meaningful way. This is as intended.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
I'm not really too worried about GW advancing the setting of 40k, especially after end times. The reason I even picked up 40k was because of what GW was doing to my WHFB while I was looking to get back into wargaming. I was meaning where GW was going with the setting, I was just wondering what was going on with each faction at the end of the 41st millennium, as in what particular threats are facing them and how they're handling their endgame.
I think what is not necessarily being conveyed is that there are 2 major different fictional setting "archetypes". There are canon universes with an official story line that will extend through all the important events in the universe (ie star wars).
Then there are sand box universes, ie 40K. These by definition must be kept open ended and the important problems cannot be solved in the official materials. In fact the more freedom you give people in the setting the better. The important parts of this setting are usually psychological factors about major factions and just enough details to hint at factions your players can make up the details for. This is a large part of the success of the 40K IP as the universe is so big that a hero and army of a billion is just a small ripple in it and will only change the situation as much as the player group decides to. There are literally hundreds of events outlined in 40K that would be major campaigns in any other setting but are small quotes until GW decides to release a campaign book. They have a 1 sentence blurb talking about a highly populated solar system destroyed by a hrud migration. Frankly even if GW are the best writers on the planet they would cause more harm than help if they move the plot in any direction where a faction experiences success. Most of the factions only need 1 little factor to go hulk and destroy the setting...
Nids: Establish a beach head and they will win eventually.
Necrons: Fully wake up another tomb world and they will be essentially unstoppable. The currently awakened one is rampaging unchecked.
IoM: Sacrifice one quadrant and amass the soldiers to crush the threats to the other 3. Tau would take a couple of weeks at best. Or even just let the SM reform the legions to smash each threat one by one rather than this ridiculous disperse and hold tactic.
CWE: Active the wraith construct armies. That or join up with the DE fully.
DE: Solve the breeding problem or just stop the rampant in fighting. If eldar start breeding like they did during the war in heaven the rest of the galaxy wouldn't last another thousand years.
Orks: Unite even 10% of the orks as a unified force and the galaxy will be green at essentially the rate the ships can travel.
Chaos: Chaos is already winning just from the continuation of the IoM warp pollution machine. CSM cannot actually win as a faction as they have no goal other than cause, erm...chaos.
Other than major changes GW has been "progressing" the plot by publishing system spanning campaigns, craftworlds found, a pheonix lord was resurrected, a nid splinter fleet destroyed, etc. In any other setting those would be the entire setting.
BTW this is also part of the grimdark of the setting. The setting leads up to a final hopeless conclusion (where the timeline is frozen currently) where no faction escapes being utterly brutalized. If the setting is progressed even 100 years then most of the 40K map would be empty as the planets would be destroyed or stripped. The current time has several necron tomb worlds mostly awakened and one completely awakened, nids surrounding the entire galaxy, Orks uniting like never before, and chaos about to break through cadia. Even the eldar are 1 pheonix lord from a full set which is prophesied to advent the resurgence of the CWE war machine and the final battle where everyone dies.
The reason Fantasy progressed froward is because the setting IP was not generating excitement for almost 2 decades now. GW needed to reboot the setting to take advantage of the unique aspects (mordheim, their undead not being the main villains, and the "evil" elves actually being in the right while the "good" elves are supporting an unjust dictator)
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Gw lost its verity lotr is going oop hobbit will slide away in another couple of years. They need to bring back old game systems and stop hiking prices more than the rate of inflation.
The question I asked that you ignored was, would you trust GW to advance the plot given what they did to their other largely static setting when they finally decided to kick it into gear?
Because this is a non-question. There is no story, there is no plot. There's events described in various Codices and such that have no significant impact on the setting as a whole. Worlds are lost to various Xenos or Chaos, worlds are discovered by Explorator Fleets and crusading Space Marines or Imperial Guards. Figures die and are replaced by someone else. Regiments and Chapters are wiped out, only to be renewed by new Foundings.
It's a static setting, with a whole lot of wheel-spinning and not much actually happening or progressing in any meaningful way. This is as intended.
GW can do anything they want and they're not smart enough to intend to do anything more complicated than breathing. If their sales are flagging they'll pull an end times and flush the whole setting down the drain for short term gain. So away with your watsonian arguments. The setting exists to sell toys and for precisely no other reason, and if they think they can sell more toys by destroying it like they did WHFB, then they'll do it.
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Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
Their sales have been flagging for a decade (in truth, in the numbers game, they've remained flat, even though prices have been steadily increased over the years... this indicates fewer total sales, but what sales there are are at higher prices).
And if GW does an End Times? So what? Ignore it.
It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised.
So, in regards to the Eldar end times thing, there has been a lot of little hints dropped about Vect,Lady,and Yriel, and harlequins.
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In the Valedor warzone novel the Farseers/ Archon that Vect sends to help Prince Yriel all mention/ hint how his "unknown" father is a Dark Eldar, the Archon going as far to tell him he's just the same as his father implying he knows him. When pressed on the matter the farseers are silent, perhaps not knowing fully or hiding it BLATENTLY. Prince Yriel is convinced by Harlequins to pick up the spear, and the same harlequin troupe helps in Valedor.
Lady Malys is led into the webway by Harlequins and meets Cegorach. Malys the ex-lover of Vect then returns and goes to war with Vect.
Vect, is brought to power in Commoragh with the aid of Harlequins as is revealed in the Harlies dex(but not expanded on), Vect is ancient appearing around m32 and possibly being older still. In the Dark Eldar codex pages about Harlequins it's stated most Dark Eldar dislike the Harlequins but accept their presence as bad things happen to those who cross the Harlequins, and the only person to outright confront the Harlequins has been Vect, this is supported in the path of the Dark Eldar series where he disrespects the Solitaire Motley, who is uncomfortable/afraid of him.
Where am I going with this? The Harlequin troupes all mentioned here are one in the same. The Veiled path. As states in the Harlequins codex they often fool people into helping them then stabbing them in the back.
Judging by the way the Archon speaks to Yriel with a sense of respect only really taunting him about his mysterious father and the silence from everybody else leads me to believe the Prince Yriel is the son of Asdrubael Vect himself. Why else would Vect send not ony one of his own Archons but his favorite Succubus Lileth Hesperax herself. He's ensuring his sons victory that's why.
Why is Lady Malys convinced/ tricked to go to war with Vect? Truthfully I don't know where this is going considering the Khaines Gate time line, only that Malys is probably ment to overthrow Vect for pissing off the harlequins. But it all seems poor timing in regards to Khaines Gate but reading up on the gate tells you Urien Rakarth has been feeling things that he hasn't felt since the fall of the Eldar(remember he's ancient as well) this to me means, either Slaaneshi stuff is coming through the gate, or a new Chaos god is forming. Or maybe some other weird twist. I don't know.
Vect clearly suddenly has a lot on his plate, perhaps he's grasping at straws. Not sure where his story line is going either but I believe it's clear that Vect is Yriels father. Perhaps Malys is connected to this as well but I'm unsure. But Vect being as powerful as he is, it's all VERY important.
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Also, the Veiled path has been featured in many novels as of recent as well. Valedor, Masque of Vyle, as well as Motley being a reoccurring theme in even more novels such as the Path novel series. He supposedly makes an appearance in Valedor but I seemed to have missed it in my read through, but I feel his appearance was to be sneaky and have no one realize it was him.
But that's a sign of Cegorach not a solitaire, unless... Motley reoccurring and always with the same Troupe... One that has led Malys to meet Cegorach... Perhaps Motley IS Cegorach. But probably not.
this is a copy paste from a post I've made before, I haven't thought much on it or seen any new background that could add to it lately but it's all very "whats going on with Vect". Well, I did see one thing that people thought that Vect consumes more souls than any other Dark Eldar, and brought me to thinking that perhaps he himself is attempting to become a god, either to defeat Slaanesh or just for his own bidding. But I don't have much to support that claim or any sources other than reading here on DakkaDakka.
10k+ Tau, Ke'lshan 10k Dark Eldar Kabal of the Flayed skull 1k Scions
