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...because a heretic guard regiment is gonna be much closer to chaos cultists (disorganized rabble) than an imperial force?

Mechanicum should Be battle buddies with CSM tho

the_scotsman wrote:
...because a heretic guard regiment is gonna be much closer to chaos cultists (disorganized rabble) than an imperial force?

Unless you are one of the heretic guard regiments that, you know.....aren't. Like the Blood Pact.

the_scotsman wrote:
...because a heretic guard regiment is gonna be much closer to chaos cultists (disorganized rabble) than an imperial force?

Mechanicum should Be battle buddies with CSM tho

No...?

The Mechanicus is not the Dark Mechanicus.

 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
...because a heretic guard regiment is gonna be much closer to chaos cultists (disorganized rabble) than an imperial force?

Mechanicum should Be battle buddies with CSM tho

No...?

The Mechanicus is not the Dark Mechanicus.

yeah the admech and dark mechanium are EXTREMELY differnt. they might have infantry that's roughly the same, but most of their units are gonna be pretty differnt.

I don't think they would be anywhere near the same to be honest.

The Dark Mechanicum has been all about progress and tinkering with everything.
The Mechanicum proper has been stagnant.

They've already addressed this.

"Play unbound.'

They changed the Allies table so you can literally take any ally. Most of the limitations can be storied away pretty easily if you are taking the allies for narrative reasons. "Heretic Guard are intimidated by the Daemons, even though they are on the same side, causes certain rule changes, etc." If you're only taking Allies for rules, well, I have no understanding of how you play the game anyway.

The only thing I'd like to see changed about the Ally table would be removing the weird requirement that it be symmetrical. I think it's perfectly reasonable to have Army A Allies of Convenience with Army B, but if you flip the Primary Detachment have Army B Desperate Allies with Army A.

I'm liking this one. ^ The narrative reason for the heretic guard not trusting the daemons is that they're intimidated by their rules.

Will GW ever fix the allied chart to account for heretics?

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 EVIL INC wrote:
Because as the fluff shows, not all renegades are bubbling pools of mucky mutations. Many are forces that follow the exact same military code and force organization and weaponry. they just have different ideals.
This is without even going into forces that are fresh on the road to heresy and have not degenerated that far.

This is one of the reasons I dont use 'official" paint schemes because it too visually pigeonholes you. If you have a marine force in your own colors, you could play it as any marine chapter or chaos chapter (or offshoot) so long long as everything was wysiwyg and you had the actual models in the case of the units that are army specific.

So having painted my marines in space wolves colors suddenly makes it impossible to play it as another chapter although everything remains wysiwyg?

 Mywik wrote:

 EVIL INC wrote:
Because as the fluff shows, not all renegades are bubbling pools of mucky mutations. Many are forces that follow the exact same military code and force organization and weaponry. they just have different ideals.
This is without even going into forces that are fresh on the road to heresy and have not degenerated that far.

This is one of the reasons I dont use 'official" paint schemes because it too visually pigeonholes you. If you have a marine force in your own colors, you could play it as any marine chapter or chaos chapter (or offshoot) so long long as everything was wysiwyg and you had the actual models in the case of the units that are army specific.

So having painted my marines in space wolves colors suddenly makes it impossible to play it as another chapter although everything remains wysiwyg?

Depends who you ask really.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mywik wrote:

 EVIL INC wrote:
Because as the fluff shows, not all renegades are bubbling pools of mucky mutations. Many are forces that follow the exact same military code and force organization and weaponry. they just have different ideals.
This is without even going into forces that are fresh on the road to heresy and have not degenerated that far.

This is one of the reasons I dont use 'official" paint schemes because it too visually pigeonholes you. If you have a marine force in your own colors, you could play it as any marine chapter or chaos chapter (or offshoot) so long long as everything was wysiwyg and you had the actual models in the case of the units that are army specific.

So having painted my marines in space wolves colors suddenly makes it impossible to play it as another chapter although everything remains wysiwyg?

Depends who you ask really.

Jeah of course. But as far as the rules are concerned theres absolutely no difference between a yellow marine with a bolter and a grey marine with a bolter.

No I agree, I wouldn't have any issues with it personally.

they have a very well written army list for heretics, use it.