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 Sidstyler wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Nope. The real "joke" army is Chaos in general... Supposedly they're the single greatest threat to not just the IoM, but the entire galaxy in general, and yet in game Chaos Marines especially have all the hitting power of a wet noodle.

That just put the image in my head of a squad of Chaos Marines whipping dudes with giant wet noodles and it was awesome.

"Starch for the starch god!"

I am one of those folks who feels like Orks should have kept their 2nd edition look which was even cartoonier. At least the faces were. I miss them...

No they just require a "core" of 750-1000 points that works to be on par with most other armies.

Functional cores I've found are:

1) Blitz Brigade bws.

2) Green Tide formation

3) FW Dred mob dreds

4) Super MSU Trukk Spam


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No they just require a "core" of 750-1000 points that works to be on par with most other armies.

Functional cores I've found are:

1) Blitz Brigade bws.

2) Green Tide formation

3) FW Dred mob dreds

4) Super MSU Trukk Spam

Heres a solid start to any Ork army

Warboss on Bike w/ PK
Painboy on Bike

20 slugga boyz, 2 rokkits, nob, pk, bp
20 slugga boyz, 2 rokkits, nob, pk, bp

Battlewagon w/ Ram and rokkit launcha
Battlewagon w/ Ram and rokkit launcha
10+ Lootas

Either 10+ warbikes or 4+ Nob bikes
A plane of some kind. I like the dakkajet.

And then you can sprinkle in whatever else you want, warbuggies, tankbustas, more boyz in trukks, or deffkoptas for those objective grabbers.

Half the Tau codex is centred around the Orks as the scourge of that part of the galaxy. Yes, they're an interesting faction certainly with more humour than any of the other 40K races out there, but I would't call them a 'Joke'.

In games there's nothing more unnerving than unloading 50 shots per turn into a green tide and having it just carry on charging...

 XV107 R'VARNA wrote:
In games there's nothing more unnerving than unloading 50 shots per turn into a green tide and having it just carry on charging...

The new meme:
"Keep Calm, Charge On!"

The codex was also the first in a new edition, so that hurt a little in that it was before the large power creep.

I wouldn't say "Joke", but I'd put it in the "Less Grimdark" category. Avenger DarkEmo of the Blackest Black Souls Squadron of the Never Once Smiled Chapter can be more of a joke than any Ork boy I've painted.

Each Ork I've seen has it's own style and flavour, more so than Marines. I paint mine with a slightly dark-comic book feel to it. Brighter green skin, but very dirty overall.

As far as losing all the time, ehhhh. I think that's more of a player problem than an army problem. I've won a good number, and lost a good number. I'm no General Patton of Orks, as I like to try new and varied lists. But I've seen some guys just roll through armies with Orks.

We do fear SOB though. Fear them lots. So many flames.

Simply put, Orks are the Comic relief of 40k. We are also historically the weakest race in the game as far as codex go. This last codex has probably been the biggest tragedy though. They simply nerfed everything good about Orks and then gave us a useless Orkanaught, brought back a useless anti infantry unit and gave us better artillery to make sure we stay shooty and useless.

I have had a lot of success playing orks, but against top tier armies such as eldar/necrons I have yet to really win a game except by pure dumb luck (SAG rolled box cars and hit an Eldar WK and Skimmer in one turn )

Orks possess a lot of the comedy of 40k but they have a dark side as well. You see, the zany, funny aspects are only humorous from the orks point of view. A gang of orks ripping your children apart in front of you while laughing hysterically, then placing you in slave chains for the rest of your life is horrific from your point of view. In the ork's it's all fun and games. I think they definitely have a place in 40k. They are one of the core armies.

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Simply put, Orks are the Comic relief of 40k. We are also historically the weakest race in the game as far as codex go. This last codex has probably been the biggest tragedy though. They simply nerfed everything good about Orks and then gave us a useless Orkanaught, brought back a useless anti infantry unit and gave us better artillery to make sure we stay shooty and useless.

I have had a lot of success playing orks, but against top tier armies such as eldar/necrons I have yet to really win a game except by pure dumb luck (SAG rolled box cars and hit an Eldar WK and Skimmer in one turn )

What are you talking about? Kff got better, warbikers hot better, deffkoptas tankbustas meganobz lootas boyz gretchin hqs, so much got better! Mob rule got worse? They made relics for that. Some things like kammanfos and nobs got worse but so what

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 Ghazkuul wrote:
Simply put, Orks are the Comic relief of 40k. We are also historically the weakest race in the game as far as codex go. This last codex has probably been the biggest tragedy though. They simply nerfed everything good about Orks and then gave us a useless Orkanaught, brought back a useless anti infantry unit and gave us better artillery to make sure we stay shooty and useless.

I have had a lot of success playing orks, but against top tier armies such as eldar/necrons I have yet to really win a game except by pure dumb luck (SAG rolled box cars and hit an Eldar WK and Skimmer in one turn )

What are you talking about? Kff got better, warbikers hot better, deffkoptas tankbustas meganobz lootas boyz gretchin hqs, so much got better! Mob rule got worse? They made relics for that. Some things like kammanfos and nobs got worse but so what

Cybork got nerfed, Deff Rollas Got Nerfed, Battle Wagonz got nerfed, Mob rule got nerfed, Killa Kanz got nerfed, Ghaz got nerfed. Our new units are Flash gitz which are worthless and Nauts which are even more useless. The KFF got a HUGE Nerf. You can call a six inch Invul a buff but I'll take the 5+ Cover save that can cover over 100 boyz

Cover saves are ignored way easier they invulnerable ones

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Cover saves are ignored way easier they invulnerable ones

true, but its better to have up to 100+ models covered with a 5+ cover save then a 6 inch bubble with 5++

Gotta second Ghazkuul here, and add this - no amount of buff is worth needing to muck around measuring which models are covered as opposed to quickly checking which units are. Typical GW garbage rules right there.

Also, feth the Ork codex. That is all.

That's what the Painboy is for.

Personally I enjoy my Ork army as I build it, it has huge variety. However, it is, as has already been stated, playing 40k on Hard mode. I like that.

But, in my opinion, Tau and Necrons look pretty naff. You can tell they were bolted onto 40k later on, they're all very "samey" with little character.
I think that's why they've been buffed so hard. The models are a hard sell compared to other armies, but the rules make up for it, so they sell to the people who want to win, or found that they kept losing with Space Marines, and wanted something to make the game easier.

There probably are some people who like the models, but I haven't met one in real life yet. ;-)

Only creature that was a threat to the Emperor beside Horus was an Ork big boss. They may be a joke, but they are a big, scary, threatening bully joke.

Oh they may be a Joke, but when your outnumbered 5-1 in foot and 3-1 in veichals, oh they start to be dangerous and taken seriously as a threat

 OrkaMorka wrote:

I wouldn't say "Joke", but I'd put it in the "Less Grimdark" category. Avenger DarkEmo of the Blackest Black Souls Squadron of the Never Once Smiled Chapter can be more of a joke than any Ork boy I've painted.

Yeah, true that. The whole "grimdark" thing is a joke, and Space Marines are the punchline.

 r_squared wrote:
But, in my opinion, Tau and Necrons look pretty naff. You can tell they were bolted onto 40k later on, they're all very "samey" with little character.
I think that's why they've been buffed so hard. The models are a hard sell compared to other armies, but the rules make up for it, so they sell to the people who want to win, or found that they kept losing with Space Marines, and wanted something to make the game easier.

There probably are some people who like the models, but I haven't met one in real life yet. ;-)

Yeah, and everyone who picked Space Marines was probably expecting easy wins based on their fluff, only to find out later they made a huge, costly mistake. Now they're sour af and gak on Necron and Tau players for something entirely subjective like "naff" models.

I don't think they're naff. Tau had one of the better-looking model ranges when I first got into the game (you should have seen the state of Orks and Dark Eldar at the time, fething sad) and it's what sold me on the army. Didn't know a fething thing about the rules, and even after the fact having gak for rules for two editions didn't stop me from buying more Tau. Funnily enough the 6th edition codex is what finally put me off the game, I've played maybe two games in the past two years. That and people like you giving me endless gak for playing Tau. You have any idea how hard it is to get motivated to build and paint models, even ones you really like, when everyone else is constantly telling you they're ugly and don't "fit in" and crying and whining for GW to Squat your army so they don't have to look at it anymore?

The only crap Tau model GW produces is the flyer, it looks like garbage and doesn't match the aesthetic that FW established for Tau flyers. It looks like one of their ground vehicles with wings slapped on (and according to the White Dwarf that's literally what it is, they said they basically combined the devilfish and the piranha into a hideous new vehicle). Crisis suits haven't aged well and could use a new kit, fire warriors look awesome but the kit is really old and very limiting compared to some of the new ones, but other than that there's nothing wrong with Tau. The problem lies with people like you who just can't stand that something is different. You complain about "sameness" but without the contrast provided by visually striking armies like Eldar or Tau, everything in 40k would look the fething same. Hell, half the armies in 40k are a variant of Space Marines ffs.

They should stop existin, if they're a joke, it's a terrible one

I think if anything Eldar are the joke. Like while they were writing their codex they where like, "hey John come here", "what is it Tom?" look at this new rule I made up to ignore some BRB rule" then they both laugh and laugh

 r_squared wrote:
But, in my opinion, Tau and Necrons look pretty naff. You can tell they were bolted onto 40k later on, they're all very "samey" with little character.
I think that's why they've been buffed so hard. The models are a hard sell compared to other armies, but the rules make up for it, so they sell to the people who want to win, or found that they kept losing with Space Marines, and wanted something to make the game easier.

That's untrue for Necrons. They've been around pretty much since the beginning, although with different fluff and names ("Chaos Androids").

In any case Necrons as we know them today only exist from their 5th edition Wardex onwards. 3th ed. Necrons had a bit of a distinct atmosphere, more "mysterious killer terminators from outer space" and less "spesssh egyptians".

As for Tau, while not being a huge fan of them, I see no reason why they can't fit in the current 40k universe. The whole 'grimdark' has already become a parody of itself, with the incredibly silly and "wow so serious" fanfic-style fluff that's been dominant since late 5th edition. And even in this increasingly silly setting, if you ask me what looks more ridiculous, either the whole Tau aesthetic or SM Centurions, I'd say Centurions without the slightest doubt.

I just saw three gretchin almost take down a Flyrant. Wounded it twice.

Orks have the funniest fluff and are the most convert-friendly tabletop army. You can literally take random stuff and make an ork weapon/vehicle out of it. The more rediculous it is - the more effectively it works.

As for the tabletop gaming with orks, they're unexpectedly hard to play. But if you've got some tactical understanding of what's going on, you're gona be fine. I'm having great success with a mixed up army containing: boss, painboss, wierdboy, around 2*20 shootaboyz, 30 sluggaboyz, grots, stormboyz, 'ard truckboyz, kommandoes, koptas and a lot of big gunz. And that's for ~1500 pts. I run double cad as that's way better than horde detachment. Obsec ftw!

Yeah ill just go ahead on blaming their poor performance on poor game board terrain. If you have a standard 72" GW board and there are only 10 pieces of Scenery on the whole thing, any army that isnt shooti oriented will obviously lose... Orks like every other assault army in the game, require ample scenery and decent opponents that dont gimp them before the game even starts, by requesting or even flat out disallowing Terrain, Scenery and LOS blocking terrain on the board.

We used to have a fellow who'd play Tau at the FLGS who would flat out say he didnt want a lot of terrain on the board. He never got a game that I've ever seen. Needless to say he stopped showing up like 2 years ago.

40k is supposed to be narrative, in the sense if you're just fighting in an open field, ofc the army that actually has to move is going to lose. Terrain (LOTS OF IT) and LOS blocking is REQUIRED for an equally skilled and even match up against 2 of any army.

I would say Orks are light-hearted in their fluff/models, but I always found them to be challenging to fight.


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 Portugal Jones wrote:

"Starch for the starch god!"

Exalt exalt exalt exalt exalt! *phew. hahaha

Orks are a shooting army....to play it any other way is playing it wrong

I just checked my friends models and none of them have pain boys. At least I know what to buy them all come Christmas!

Also, I got a game in today against one of said players. He still didn't win, it was a tie. But I think if we played an extra turn he would've won. That counts for something!

I love that people don't take orks seriously. They underestimate us until they hear how many dice your rolling.....

No better thing to hear than...."Wait how many dice are you rolling?"

I've taught my play area to respect the shoota boy.

Also we love grav spam armies =)

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
I love that people don't take orks seriously. They underestimate us until they hear how many dice your rolling.....

No better thing to hear than...."Wait how many dice are you rolling?"

I've taught my play area to respect the shoota boy.

Also we love grav spam armies =)

Lawls grab spam
"Alright so that's 8 hits wounding on?"
"Wounding on 6's"
"You sure you didn't give them the eavy armor upgrade?"
"Roll for 6's"

Someday I'd love to try my hand at converting a "serious" ork squad. They'd probably end up looking like uruk-hai from LOTR or something.