Are Orks the "joke army"?

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**OrkaMorka**

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
I love that people don't take orks seriously. They underestimate us until they hear how many dice your rolling.....

No better thing to hear than...."Wait how many dice are you rolling?"

I've taught my play area to respect the shoota boy.

Also we love grav spam armies =)

Lawls grab spam
"Alright so that's 8 hits wounding on?"
"Wounding on 6's"
"You sure you didn't give them the eavy armor upgrade?"
"Roll for 6's"

"Oh, can I burrow your dice?"

"How many do you need?"

"Eh, about thirty more for the all of my attack rolls."

**r_squared**

Sidstyler wrote:
Yeah, and everyone who picked Space Marines was probably expecting easy wins based on their fluff, only to find out later they made a huge, costly mistake. Now they're sour af and gak on Necron and Tau players for something entirely subjective like "naff" models.

I don't think they're naff. Tau had one of the better-looking model ranges when I first got into the game (you should have seen the state of Orks and Dark Eldar at the time, fething sad) and it's what sold me on the army. Didn't know a fething thing about the rules, and even after the fact having gak for rules for two editions didn't stop me from buying more Tau. Funnily enough the 6th edition codex is what finally put me off the game, I've played maybe two games in the past two years. That and people like you giving me endless gak for playing Tau. You have any idea how hard it is to get motivated to build and paint models, even ones you really like, when everyone else is constantly telling you they're ugly and don't "fit in" and crying and whining for GW to Squat your army so they don't have to look at it anymore?

The only crap Tau model GW produces is the flyer, it looks like garbage and doesn't match the aesthetic that FW established for Tau flyers. It looks like one of their ground vehicles with wings slapped on (and according to the White Dwarf that's literally what it is, they said they basically combined the devilfish and the piranha into a hideous new vehicle). Crisis suits haven't aged well and could use a new kit, fire warriors look awesome but the kit is really old and very limiting compared to some of the new ones, but other than that there's nothing wrong with Tau. The problem lies with people like you who just can't stand that something is different. You complain about "sameness" but without the contrast provided by visually striking armies like Eldar or Tau, everything in 40k would look the fething same. Hell, half the armies in 40k are a variant of Space Marines ffs.

I like difference, and variety, and conversions, which is why I play Orks. The least converted or interesting models are Tau, closely followed by Necrons.
I actually gave up when Tau came out. I'd been in 40k since the 80's, and there were no space robot skeletons back then. I wanted to like Tau and Necrons, but they were just too meh their fluff was unengaging and they looked pretty flat. I thought that Tau would start to bring more races under their wings, but they stopped at Kroot. That would have been pretty sweet, to have a truly diverse and interesting army, tied with one allied theme and sporting variety in playstyles. But they never bothered, and we got left with gun line gubbins. If I want to sit on my back line and shoot, I'd buy Guard.
The other problem is is that Eldar, being of a similar aesthetic, are much better at everything than Tau, they also look far far cooler, have a better range of models and there's no "sameness" with Eldar, not with all their Aspects, Dark Eldar and Harlies etc. I sometimes have a hard time being bothered to keep track of what Tau unit is what, they all look very similar, except one or two have legs.

I don't think Tau should be squatted, but I don't think I'd mind if they did, and if there was army to be on the shortlist to dissappear under a hive fleet, it won't be Orks. Not while Jervis Johnson's arse points down anyway.

**Martel732**

GoliothOnline wrote:
Yeah ill just go ahead on blaming their poor performance on poor game board terrain. If you have a standard 72" GW board and there are only 10 pieces of Scenery on the whole thing, any army that isnt shooti oriented will obviously lose... Orks like every other assault army in the game, require ample scenery and decent opponents that dont gimp them before the game even starts, by requesting or even flat out disallowing Terrain, Scenery and LOS blocking terrain on the board.

We used to have a fellow who'd play Tau at the FLGS who would flat out say he didnt want a lot of terrain on the board. He never got a game that I've ever seen. Needless to say he stopped showing up like 2 years ago.

40k is supposed to be narrative, in the sense if you're just fighting in an open field, ofc the army that actually has to move is going to lose. Terrain (LOTS OF IT) and LOS blocking is REQUIRED for an equally skilled and even match up against 2 of any army.

I'm not so sure about this premise. Mobile shooters that ignore terrain like skimmers can easily abuse terrain against assault lists.

**Sidstyler**

The main problem with your post is that it's entirely subjective. All of it. The idea that Tau models can't be converted, that they're not "interesting" enough, that Eldar look "cooler" and do everything better than Tau (newsflash, they do everything better than everybody so your point is moot), Tau models all look similar, etc. And I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about, I can tell everything apart just fine. The only units that look even vaguely similar are pathfinders and fire warriors and that's mostly just at a glance.

In my opinion Space Marines all look exactly the same, and the only thing that differentiates them most of the time is how much greeble they're covered with. No matter how true it is though, at the end of the day it's just my opinion, and nothing I can say will mean anything to those people who can't buy enough of them. If you can tell the various Space Marine units apart from each other then there's no excuse for you not being able to identify Tau models, though.

It's also my opinion that Ork players alleged love of converting and scratch-building models is not always a positive, judging from some of the models I've seen.

Oh, and I didn't want Guard, that's why I bought Tau. I don't care if Guard have guns, too, I liked the Tau models more. I'd sooner proxy my Tau as IG (so even if Tau are Squatted you will still see mine on the table regardless) rather than ever buy a Guard army, especially so long as the only choices available are ugly Cadians and ugly Catachans.

**j31c3n**

Sidstyler wrote:
greeble

I'm stealing this word.

**Bobthehero**

Sidstyler wrote:

Oh, and I didn't want Guard, that's why I bought Tau. I don't care if Guard have guns, too, I liked the Tau models more. I'd sooner proxy my Tau as IG (so even if Tau are Squatted you will still see mine on the table regardless) rather than ever buy a Guard army, especially so long as the only choices available are ugly Cadians and ugly Catachans.

You could always go with the FW/3rd party models, too, and I feel like IG is the faction with the most conversion possibilies while still keeping some quality in the whole mix.

**Sidstyler**

j31c3n wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
greeble

I'm stealing this word.

I stole it from someone else.

And I wasn't trying to say that I wanted to play Guard, either. I just think there's room in 40k for more than one "stand and shoot" army but r_squared seems to think Guard are the only ones with the right for some reason.

**Ashiraya**

Bobthehero wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:

Oh, and I didn't want Guard, that's why I bought Tau. I don't care if Guard have guns, too, I liked the Tau models more. I'd sooner proxy my Tau as IG (so even if Tau are Squatted you will still see mine on the table regardless) rather than ever buy a Guard army, especially so long as the only choices available are ugly Cadians and ugly Catachans.

You could always go with the FW/3rd party models, too, and I feel like IG is the faction with the most conversion possibilies while still keeping some quality in the whole mix.

In terms of conversion possibility, I honestly have to give it to MEQ.

They have MASSIVE amounts of kits to kitbash with, and their components are extremely poseable and modular (the newer character models move away from this, which I don't like).

**Melevolence**

Jokes? Maybe. They have a lot of humor in their fluff, in that they don't take themselves TOO seriously and yet at the same time...they do. Orks view themselves as the best, and everyone/thing else are weak. If you aren't Orky, you're not tuff e'nuff.

While there is humor in their ways of life, how their technology works(or doesn't work), and their general life styles are very simplistic, Orks are also an incredibly dark race at times and are often considered one of the biggest threats in the galaxy. The only reason they AREN'T the biggest threat is simply because Orks cannot seem to put their inherent desire to fight any and all things aside long enough to unite for a common goal. They have the numbers, and it's proven virtually impossible to exterminate their race, since they can live virtually ANYWHERE.

They can pop up at any time, any place, and level settlements for the sake of fighting and the love of looting peoples stuff.

It's hard not to be afraid of an race that has so very little regard for life, even their own. Chaos want to take things over, they want to rule, torture, etc. But more importantly...they want to LIVE to do it.

Orks don't care if they die. If they died, they died doing what they love. If they live...they get to keep doing what they love and won't stop until they ARE dead.

**Bobthehero**

Ashiraya wrote:
Bobthehero wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:

Oh, and I didn't want Guard, that's why I bought Tau. I don't care if Guard have guns, too, I liked the Tau models more. I'd sooner proxy my Tau as IG (so even if Tau are Squatted you will still see mine on the table regardless) rather than ever buy a Guard army, especially so long as the only choices available are ugly Cadians and ugly Catachans.

You could always go with the FW/3rd party models, too, and I feel like IG is the faction with the most conversion possibilies while still keeping some quality in the whole mix.

In terms of conversion possibility, I honestly have to give it to MEQ.

They have MASSIVE amounts of kits to kitbash with, and their components are extremely poseable and modular (the newer character models move away from this, which I don't like).

Outisde of GW kits? So many historial/human in non-powered armor with guns to choose from...

**Ashiraya**

Well yes, IG probably wins in terms of available alternatives!

**Sidstyler**

Ashiraya wrote:
In terms of conversion possibility, I honestly have to give it to MEQ.

They have MASSIVE amounts of kits to kitbash with, and their components are extremely poseable and modular (the newer character models move away from this, which I don't like).

Yeah, that's what happens when GW gives you 10,000 kits to play with that are mostly all designed to be interchangeable. I wish GW put half the effort into Tau that they put into Marines.

**Dakkafang Dreggrim**

I don't count interchangeable kits as converting. Even with all those kits, how often do you see converted marine vehicles ?

I've never seen a scratched built rhino , but seen plenty of scratch built trukks.

Chaos is the only army I can think of that converts stuff as much as orks.

Orks can use ANY armies models. You will never see a marine with an ork deff dredd converted to a marine one.

Ha ha, every time I see a new model my first thought is "how can I make this orky"

**koooaei**

The thing with ork conversions is that orks don't have ANY standards other than "orky". Which is also an easilly met standard.

**OrkaMorka**

koooaei wrote:
The thing with ork conversions is that orks don't have ANY standards other than "orky". Which is also an easilly met standard.

Eh, debatable.

I've done some good and some bad conversions. Mostly for variety sake with my models.

There's such as thing as "Too Orky", as in it looks atrocious.

My bad conversions usually end up back in the scrap bin. I don't see time put in as overall worth on the end result. If it looks terrible, then I won't put it with my models.

Not all are the same though.

**MarsNZ**

Bobthehero wrote:

Outisde of GW kits? So many historial/human in non-powered armor with guns to choose from...

One DPM covered arm is not that different from a dozen others. Similar to Orks, iGuard 'conversions' quite often come out extremely poorly, Tamiya WW2 kits with LRBT gun barrels stuck everywhere for example.

With the release of AOS I'd say the conversion possibility crown is firmly on Chaos' brow once again.

**DoomShakaLaka**

Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
I don't count interchangeable kits as converting. Even with all those kits, how often do you see converted marine vehicles ?

I've never seen a scratched built rhino , but seen plenty of scratch built trukks.

Chaos is the only army I can think of that converts stuff as much as orks.

Orks can use ANY armies models. You will never see a marine with an ork deff dredd converted to a marine one.

Ha ha, every time I see a new model my first thought is "how can I make this orky"

Generally because its not as acceptable to convert a Deff Dredd into a SM one whereas for Orks it absolutely is.

**r_squared**

Sidstyler wrote:
The main problem with your post is that it's entirely subjective. All of it. The idea that Tau models can't be converted, that they're not "interesting" enough, that Eldar look "cooler" and do everything better than Tau (newsflash, they do everything better than everybody so your point is moot), Tau models all look similar, etc. And I'm not sure what the hell you're talking about, I can tell everything apart just fine. The only units that look even vaguely similar are pathfinders and fire warriors and that's mostly just at a glance.

In my opinion Space Marines all look exactly the same, and the only thing that differentiates them most of the time is how much greeble they're covered with. No matter how true it is though, at the end of the day it's just my opinion, and nothing I can say will mean anything to those people who can't buy enough of them. If you can tell the various Space Marine units apart from each other then there's no excuse for you not being able to identify Tau models, though.

It's also my opinion that Ork players alleged love of converting and scratch-building models is not always a positive, judging from some of the models I've seen.

Oh, and I didn't want Guard, that's why I bought Tau. I don't care if Guard have guns, too, I liked the Tau models more. I'd sooner proxy my Tau as IG (so even if Tau are Squatted you will still see mine on the table regardless) rather than ever buy a Guard army, especially so long as the only choices available are ugly Cadians and ugly Catachans.

Good for you, play whatever you feel like. I never said you should do anything, you're reading more into my posts than is there. I wouldn't want to play IG either. Painting grey fatigues hundreds of times, followed by painting dozens of grey tanks? No thanks. Plus as an army, I appreciate they have their fans, but if I want a horde, I want them to run screaming across the table to rip up some stuff, not spend the entire game hiding behind fortifications, shooting and waiting to die. There's Grimdark, and then there's just grim.

I also agree with you entirely. My entire post is subjective, all posts are, in this thread. There are no facts, just opinion. But why on earth does my opinion stop you from playing the army you like?
I couldn't give a stuff if someone doesn't like Orks, not really my problem. If they don't want to play me because of that reason, well it's water off a ducks back. I'll play a game with someone else. There's usually plenty to choose from, and I'm an easy going guy who just likes to enjoy the game, and doesn't really care if I win or lose as long as we both have fun. Why not dust off those Tau and give someone a good game with them, and don't care if they don't like them?
That still doesn't stop them being in the top 3 most boring armies after Necrons, and IG.