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I've smoked heavily, but never felt the need to kill myself or others if I didn't have a smoke. Why would this suspect off herself? Mental instability in itself shouldn't be a reason, but maybe she believed the police would get her in deep trouble? Some police officers like to list all the things they could potentially accuse you of and what things that could mean for you, either to get a confession fast or just to make you feel happy about only receiving a ticket.

Thats still not the fault of the officer. And investigators are allowed to lie and exaggerate to try and prompt a confession.

Already stated in Fox News (this early morning around 0400) the Arresting Officer violated some sort of "courtesy policy(?)" that is in play at the department by having his frame of mind run of the reservation (in getting angry)
CO2 sounds like

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Courtesy On to Others

Oh no, the officer wasn't "nice" to her.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Oh no, the officer wasn't "nice" to her.

You are fine with a person in a position of power losing it and treating citizenry badly? He should be able to keep his cool in situations like this or he should not be in a situation like this. At my work, if I scream and yell at somebody and tell them "good" when they tell me they have epilepsy, I get fired and then reported and a large fine is issued to me, possibly even a mark on me record keeping me from ever working in a facility like mine ever again.

She was acting badly, but why was she acting badly? Was she having a bad day? Was she extremely stressed out?

Granted, this has nothing to do with the death, but the cop was not in the right to treat her like he did.

As you said, it has nothing to do with what happened. Its not illegal to be mean.

It is not, so why should she have been asked to step out of the vehicle?

It is not illegal to be mean, but it does help to show the community that the police are there to help. Instead of picking fights with people who are clearly having issues.

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Instead of picking fights with people who are clearly having issues.

Can you show us that at the point of interacting with the officer, she was clearly having issues, which could not be misdiagnosed as being a dick? Note that I am not saying that she was acting like a dick, merely that anyone behaving in such a manner is not normally assumed to be having serious mental health issues.

Police Officer is being a dick: "it's not against the law to be a dick, this has nothing to do with what happened".

Chick is being a bitch: "she deserved everything that happened to her, should have checked her attidute!"

Good job Dakka.

Courtesy and respect works both ways.
Besides 2nd hand smoking can cause cancer to.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Oh no, the officer wasn't "nice" to her.

You are fine with a person in a position of power losing it and treating citizenry badly? He should be able to keep his cool in situations like this or he should not be in a situation like this. At my work, if I scream and yell at somebody and tell them "good" when they tell me they have epilepsy, I get fired and then reported and a large fine is issued to me, possibly even a mark on me record keeping me from ever working in a facility like mine ever again.

She was acting badly, but why was she acting badly? Was she having a bad day? Was she extremely stressed out?

Granted, this has nothing to do with the death, but the cop was not in the right to treat her like he did.

Agreed with all of that.

 d-usa wrote:
Police Officer is being a dick: "it's not against the law to be a dick, this has nothing to do with what happened".

Chick is being a bitch: "she deserved everything that happened to her, should have checked her attidute!"

Good job Dakka.

Heh, business as usual in the OT. Context is important, though. The police officer being a dick is not really relevant to the apparent suicide several days later, but he did at least apparently get punished at some level for being a dick (I wish we had more information on this, sounds like a good idea for the police in general. ). On the other hand, the woman possibly being a bitch is pretty relevant to any discussion of the traffic stop, where at the very least the police officer was an idiot, and the woman might have been as well.

 d-usa wrote:
Police Officer is being a dick: "it's not against the law to be a dick, this has nothing to do with what happened".

Chick is being a bitch: "she deserved everything that happened to her, should have checked her attidute!"

Good job Dakka.

I am sure in your mind you think that is what this thread has been saying.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Instead of picking fights with people who are clearly having issues.

Can you show us that at the point of interacting with the officer, she was clearly having issues, which could not be misdiagnosed as being a dick? Note that I am not saying that she was acting like a dick, merely that anyone behaving in such a manner is not normally assumed to be having serious mental health issues.

Issues =/= Serious Mental Issues

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Instead of picking fights with people who are clearly having issues.

Can you show us that at the point of interacting with the officer, she was clearly having issues, which could not be misdiagnosed as being a dick? Note that I am not saying that she was acting like a dick, merely that anyone behaving in such a manner is not normally assumed to be having serious mental health issues.

Issues =/= Serious Mental Issues

So Police officers are supposed to diagnose everyone who they interact with to see if they have mental issues or if they're just being dicks? Sorry, thats not a reasonable burden to give them.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Instead of picking fights with people who are clearly having issues.

Can you show us that at the point of interacting with the officer, she was clearly having issues, which could not be misdiagnosed as being a dick? Note that I am not saying that she was acting like a dick, merely that anyone behaving in such a manner is not normally assumed to be having serious mental health issues.

Issues =/= Serious Mental Issues

Ok, I thought that was what you meant. Apologies. In any case, can you show that she was clearly having issues at the point of interacting with the officer?

So they released the dash cam footage...

... complete with amateur-level editing artifacts left (hint: cars don't vanish into thin air and then loop back into frame).

There's certainly something suspicious going on here.

 Psienesis wrote:
So they released the dash cam footage...

... complete with amateur-level editing artifacts left (hint: cars don't vanish into thin air and then loop back into frame).

There's certainly something suspicious going on here.

Didn't they reupload it?

I don't think the Dash-cam video is particularly relevant. She killed herself in her cell.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I don't think the Dash-cam video is particularly relevant. She killed herself in her cell.

Illegal abusive arrests are always relevant. Potential Staged suicides due to payback or coverup for prior interactions are also relevant.

nkelsch wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I don't think the Dash-cam video is particularly relevant. She killed herself in her cell.

Illegal abusive arrests are always relevant. Potential Staged suicides due to payback or coverup for prior interactions are also relevant.

Thats some pretty big accusations to be making there.

The video in the jail house I believe is motion sensor activated. So the video is going to jump

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Which was re-uploaded? Dash cam or jail house video?

 Psienesis wrote:
So they released the dash cam footage...

... complete with amateur-level editing artifacts left (hint: cars don't vanish into thin air and then loop back into frame).

There's certainly something suspicious going on here.

Actually they said that was version uploaded and had glitches but that the FBI has the complete version on DVD.

As noted this has jack to do with her death.


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nkelsch wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I don't think the Dash-cam video is particularly relevant. She killed herself in her cell.

Illegal abusive arrests are always relevant. Potential Staged suicides due to payback or coverup for prior interactions are also relevant.

You just cited two things that aren't relevant to each other much less to her death. Whats relevant to her death are facts about...her death, not supposition.

Frankly being charged with resisting and maybe assaulting a PoPo are minor (the assaulting would likely have been dropped). Resisting is a low level misdemeanor.


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 Jihadin wrote:
The video in the jail house I believe is motion sensor activated. So the video is going to jump

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Which was re-uploaded? Dash cam or jail house video?

Dash cam.

 Grey Templar wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
I don't think the Dash-cam video is particularly relevant. She killed herself in her cell.

Illegal abusive arrests are always relevant. Potential Staged suicides due to payback or coverup for prior interactions are also relevant.

Thats some pretty big accusations to be making there.

You must not be following the news... And the abusive, illegal arrest is already pretty evident from the video. Too many deviations from standard procedure happened on this case for them to be able to wrap this up as suicide, case closed. That is why it is being investigated as a murder by the DA.

I find it is funny how police are given every benefit of the doubt at every turn... but yet the victim is guilty at every turn.

You haven't shown how its illegal.
You haven't shown how they tie. Unless he choked her to death on the side of the road they aren't related.
You're charging murder. You have to at least have to have a modicum of evidence to support the charge else you're talking out of your ass.

 Frazzled wrote:
You haven't shown how its illegal.
You haven't shown how they tie. Unless he choked her to death on the side of the road they aren't related.
You're charging murder. You have to at least have to have a modicum of evidence to support the charge else you're talking out of your ass.

Hence why the DA is investigating murder charges... because there are inconsistencies which lead to 'her being found dead in her cell' is not what happened. The story being given by police don't match the situation and they are hiding behind the 'blue wall' hence an investigation.


And supreme court ruled this arrest would have been illegal:
Rodriguez v. United States held that police could not extend the length of a routine traffic stop, even for just a few minutes, absent a safety related concern or reasonable suspicion to believe that the driver may have committed an additional crime.

There was no safety concern, no additional crime, no legal reason to detain her or threaten her. Illegal arrest.

nkelsch wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
You haven't shown how its illegal.
You haven't shown how they tie. Unless he choked her to death on the side of the road they aren't related.
You're charging murder. You have to at least have to have a modicum of evidence to support the charge else you're talking out of your ass.

Hence why the DA is investigating murder charges... because there are inconsistencies which lead to 'her being found dead in her cell' is not what happened. The story being given by police don't match the situation and they are hiding behind the 'blue wall' hence an investigation.

Actually the FBI and Rangers are, not the local DA.
But thats not evidence. Please show some. You made these massive claims. Put up or shut up.

Past history she has a documented suicide attempt.
On the intake form she marked no to "Past History Suicide Attempt"

Two things the holding facility were not current on so far
The (some) guards were not current on Suicidal Prevention Class (Mandatory two hour class) given yearly
Also instead of checking on the inmate every hour on the hour they did it by intercom

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First attempt was by pill after a lost pregnancy

 Jihadin wrote:
Past history she has a documented suicide attempt.
On the intake form she marked no to "Past History Suicide Attempt"

Two things the holding facility were not current on so far
The (some) guards were not current on Suicidal Prevention Class (Mandatory two hour class) given yearly
Also instead of checking on the inmate every hour on the hour they did it by intercom

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First attempt was by pill after a lost pregnancy

*Mug shots are normally done in the clothes they were arrested in, not in police scrubs unless there is physical evidence on the clothes which are needed.
*Mug Shots are also done twice and hers was only taken once
*Mug shots at this precinct are done in front of a brick wall, hers was done in front of a grey flat surface which matched the floor
*her mugshot doesn't match the angle of a directly forward shot. It is an 'undershot' which appears if she was lying flat on something and was being taken over her, not straight on.
*Timelines of interaction are based upon non-visible interactions which is against procedure
*Timelines also are based upon parties who have a motive to change times of the circumstances
*Crime scene was compromised as a reporter was able to enter the scene BEFORE photos were taken and manipulate items on the bed.
*Trashcans are not allowed in the cells, but this time there was one.

It is a lot of sloppy police work to allow so many circumstances that allowed such a suicide to take place. Or it is fabricated lies because they knew they were sunk for illegal arrest and were arrogant enough to believe they could get away with it.

Pretty clear abuse of power. For them to arrest, he would have either felt at risk or feared for safety, interesting as none of that was in his report.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/20/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-videos-maps.html?_r=0

Things don't add up, and it looks like abuse of police power... so don't expect everyone to just say 'yup, good arrest, another dead thug, world keeps spinning.'

I was interested in your posts till the last sentence