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 Jihadin wrote:
Um.
Prosecution/DA let him keep talking before they pulled the 2nd cam out showing how wrong he was........
Negligent Discharge into a head. I'm calling it to like Foreman.

That doesn't make sense? They know they have cameras on right? You have to question things when you know you are being recorded and still lie about it? Can't rule out stupid I guess.

 Xenomancers wrote:
If the cop was in fact stuck to the car in some way - he was indeed in danger. You can't really disagree with that.

Yes, I really can.
Having watched the video, the car wasn't moving when the cop reached into it. The only reason he might have been in any danger of being dragged off was the fact that he placed his own body into the car window when he saw the victim go to turn the ignition. The danger arose due to the actions the cop took to prevent said danger.

His weapon was across the side window threshold.
They showed the 2nd cam video from the other officer view. Stupidity of the LEO resulted in the driver death.

It's hard to tell for sure from the video, but it almost looks like he ND'd.

 Goliath wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
If the cop was in fact stuck to the car in some way - he was indeed in danger. You can't really disagree with that.

Yes, I really can.
Having watched the video, the car wasn't moving when the cop reached into it. The only reason he might have been in any danger of being dragged off was the fact that he placed his own body into the car window when he saw the victim go to turn the ignition. The danger arose due to the actions the cop took to prevent said danger.

Unfortunately, that's fairly common - Through a combination of their own stupidity and poor training, cops put themselves in positions where their lives are threatened, kill someone, then argue that "he was comin' right for us." And before body cameras, people believed it.

I wonder how many people these morons have murdered, and walked due to a fellow cop's word against that of a witness?

You know, I don't buy into the whole "soldiers automatically make good cops/bad cops" argument that goes around. But I wonder if former soldiers that serve have better weapon discipline than some of the non-veteran cops.

 Hordini wrote:
It's hard to tell for sure from the video, but it almost looks like he ND'd.

I think you're right on the money there.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Um.
Prosecution/DA let him keep talking before they pulled the 2nd cam out showing how wrong he was........
Negligent Discharge into a head. I'm calling it to like Foreman.

That doesn't make sense? They know they have cameras on right? You have to question things when you know you are being recorded and still lie about it? Can't rule out stupid I guess.

I dunno. Maybe they just assume their friends will cover for them and delete the footage.

Or they can't handle being murderers, so they invent a new story and convince even themselves of it to remain the good guys in their own minds. That kinda is a human thing.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Um.
Prosecution/DA let him keep talking before they pulled the 2nd cam out showing how wrong he was........
Negligent Discharge into a head. I'm calling it to like Foreman.

That doesn't make sense? They know they have cameras on right? You have to question things when you know you are being recorded and still lie about it? Can't rule out stupid I guess.

I dunno. Maybe they just assume their friends will cover for them and delete the footage.

Or they can't handle being murderers, so they invent a new story and convince even themselves of it to remain the good guys in their own minds. That kinda is a human thing.

I think a lot of police suffer from "Uncle Ben" Syndrome, which is why they go overboard on routine stops trying to expose some sinister major crime. They feel every suspicious guy they give a ticket to and send on their way is moments from murdering a dozen babies and only if they had stopped them!!!

Of course a lot of that 'suspicion' is based upon racism, so it leads to issues...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Um.
Prosecution/DA let him keep talking before they pulled the 2nd cam out showing how wrong he was........
Negligent Discharge into a head. I'm calling it to like Foreman.

That doesn't make sense? They know they have cameras on right? You have to question things when you know you are being recorded and still lie about it? Can't rule out stupid I guess.

I dunno. Maybe they just assume their friends will cover for them and delete the footage.

Or they can't handle being murderers, so they invent a new story and convince even themselves of it to remain the good guys in their own minds. That kinda is a human thing.

Some of them are possibly so used to altering the story to fit their own narrative and protect themselves that it has become second nature to lie in these situations. They don't even think about the bodycam as they're so used to just giving their side and that being it.

nkelsch wrote:

I think a lot of police suffer from "Uncle Ben" Syndrome, which is why they go overboard on routine stops trying to expose some sinister major crime. They feel every suspicious guy they give a ticket to and send on their way is moments from murdering a dozen babies and only if they had stopped them!!!

Of course a lot of that 'suspicion' is based upon racism, so it leads to issues...

Do you actually know any LEOs?

I think you are projecting your suspicions of LEOs onto their motivations and intent.

 CptJake wrote:

nkelsch wrote:

I think a lot of police suffer from "Uncle Ben" Syndrome, which is why they go overboard on routine stops trying to expose some sinister major crime. They feel every suspicious guy they give a ticket to and send on their way is moments from murdering a dozen babies and only if they had stopped them!!!

Of course a lot of that 'suspicion' is based upon racism, so it leads to issues...

Do you actually know any LEOs?

I think you are projecting your suspicions of LEOs onto their motivations and intent.

I know 3 actually... And I worked closely with our City's police group in the schools for years.

They would do psychological tests on officers who applied and many would wash out for having hero complexes and wanting to 'drive into the city and bust perps' supposed to supporting the community as a member of it. Many of those people unfit to be a cop in our area would go elsewhere, like Baltimore. Basically people who were to damaged or unqualified to work in our county end up in Baltimore, where they have a huge issue of external police force who are not part of the community they are policing and lack a total understanding of the community they are supposed to 'protect'.

Some of them might just be lying jackasses, but I think that mls of them are probably not even lying on purpose. Despite some people painting cops as psychopaths, killing someone is a traumatic experience. It is hard to remember exactly what happened at that time and it is possible that they end up believing that their recollection is the way it happened.

There was a lot of talk about how stuff like that can happen when our favorite newscaster was being called out on his war zone stories.

nkelsch wrote:


I know 3 actually... And I worked closely with our City's police group in the schools for years.

They would do psychological tests on officers who applied and many would wash out for having hero complexes and wanting to 'drive into the city and bust perps' supposed to supporting the community as a member of it. Many of those people unfit to be a cop in our area would go elsewhere, like Baltimore. Basically people who were to damaged or unqualified to work in our county end up in Baltimore, where they have a huge issue of external police force who are not part of the community they are policing and lack a total understanding of the community they are supposed to 'protect'.

I think The Wire had quite a few moments where it highlighted this problem, often by the actions and attitude of Bunny Colvin as he tried to correct it.

 d-usa wrote:
Some of them might just be lying jackasses, but I think that mls of them are probably not even lying on purpose. Despite some people painting cops as psychopaths, killing someone is a traumatic experience. It is hard to remember exactly what happened at that time and it is possible that they end up believing that their recollection is the way it happened.

There was a lot of talk about how stuff like that can happen when our favorite newscaster was being called out on his war zone stories.

Hell, witnessing an event can be traumatic, which is one reason even with multiple witnesses to an event there can be major discrepancies between what each says they saw. And in many cases each is convinced their version is true and accurate.

The moral of the story is that body cams did their job and were a good resource.

 d-usa wrote:
The moral of the story is that body cams did their job and were a good resource.

Yes.
It also supports, if pulled over, be calm, don't be stupid, even if you're going to be convicted of something.