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the game begins after the seize the initiative roll and the handshake. The handshake is very important.

Charistoph wrote:

Before the Game Begins
Deployment
Games Begins
Start of Turn 1

I'd say that the Game Beggins with the Seize Initiative Roll (Or when It should be done).
But the BRB says that is part of Turn 1... so... I don't know.
There were good arguments,

After reading all arguments I would like to change my vote

Just because rules say -what you can do- and -when you can do- when it say "-before game begins-" it does not necessary means that game begins right after.

Because there are rules that tell us about units beginning game in reserves, which can be placed there only during deployment I must agree that game begins with the start of Turn 1.

The rules never tell you when the game begins.

RAW, you can't play. Go home, 40k, you're drunk.

It has to start sometime after Deployment.

Because:
"Flyers must begin the game as Reserves...
...unless they specifically state that Flyers can start the game deployed on the table... "

Since you "begin the game as Reserves" or "start the game deployed on the table" Then the game can not start until Deployment is finished.

But there are no rules telling us when the exactly the game starts.

However these rules invalidate option 1 (Start of Deployment) on the poll. the game starts after deployment not at the start of deployment.

My vote is that the game begins at the start of turn 1, just before movement.

Rule book pg132 Standard Deployment Method.

"1. the players roll off. the winner of the roll-off decides who will deploy first and who will deploy second.
2. The side deploying first must set up all units in their army.
3. Then the other side sets up all the units in their army.
4.The player that deployed first can choose to take the first turn, their opponent can attempt to seize the initiative."

Rule book pg132 Seize the initiative.
"Seize the Initiative: If the player who is due to go second wishes to seize the initiative he can roll D6 before beginning the first game turn. On roll of 6 he successfully seizes the initiatrive and goes first instead."

Rule book pg133 Game length
"For most games, the length of the game will be a certain number of game turns."

Rule book Pg 17 Turn summary
"1.The start of your turn. Resolve any rule described as happening at the start of your turn......."

in summary
Pre-game functions would include any thing that needs to take place before turn 1.
board set up, warlord traits, army selection, psychic power generation, objective placement, deployment, scout/infiltrate/outflank turn selection and seize the initiative.

Game now begins at top of turn one,
resolve any rules that happen at "start of turn" (ie:Mysterious objectives rule book pg 135. "...any unit that moves within 3 in. of an objective, or is within 3 in. of an objective at the start of the first turn..."
then go on to movement ect ect.

If we look at Illic Nightspears 'Walker of the hidden path' special Infiltrate rule. It says that 'If he begins the game with a unit of Rangers, all Rangers in that unit benefit from this special rule'. Since Infiltrate happens after standard deployment but before T1, it would suggest the game begins before T1 or the rule simply doesn't work.

ratgnaw,
Nice catch with the Game Length quote.

JinxDragon wrote:
ratgnaw,
Nice catch with the Game Length quote.

Yes.

So the game starts at turn 1, and lasts "a certain number of game turns."

So the game starts at Turn one.

Rule book pg133 Game length
"For most games, the length of the game will be a certain number of game turns."