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2015/09/01 21:52:15
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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There really aren't any other good ways. BA must use grav bikers. SW must use TWC, since they have no grav. C:SM has a plethora of grav options. DA have grav bikers. And I guess grav on their devs. But why would you do that with no skyhammer.
If the thing didn't move 12", it might be killable with lascannon/krak missiles, but it gets into assault too quickly for that to be viable. The 12" move is the single biggest advantage over two Wraithlords, followed closely by the inability to tarpit the WK with schmucks.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2015/09/01 21:55:58
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2015/09/01 21:58:48
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Battleship Captain
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Martel732 wrote:. And I guess grav on their devs. But why would you do that with no skyhammer.
PA Devastators are cheaper then a Gravturion squad and still generate 80% of the firepower on the drop and 133% if they survive to fire for a second round..
Plus they can overwatch.
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2015/09/01 22:09:46
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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 easysauce wrote:
grav is the only thing that is cost effective for dealing with WK's that wont also tie up a large part of your PTs with just dealing with WK's to the exclusion of most other things.
I wouldn't go that far. Since you're playing Codex: Imperium anyway (all you Marines look the same to me), look to your green and black brethren.
Ravenwing Blacknights fairly well annihilate Wraithknights. They also mix with your other colors of marines without destroying Chapter Tactics.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2015/09/01 22:12:44
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Plasma is terrible vs wks.
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2015/09/01 22:39:37
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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That leads me to conclude you are terrible at math, or uninformed about the rules Black nights actually possess, or both.
Feel free to get a Wraithknight near a unit of them and see who's alive the next turn.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2015/09/01 22:57:11
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Lieutenant Colonel
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could you elaborate on how Black knights are effective?
my DA knowledge is limited so a detailed explanation is welcome
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/09/01 22:57:40
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2015/09/01 23:11:38
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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 DarknessEternal wrote:That leads me to conclude you are terrible at math, or uninformed about the rules Black nights actually possess, or both.
Feel free to get a Wraithknight near a unit of them and see who's alive the next turn.
Please enlighten me, then. As far as I know, they have twin linked plasma guns. That's not very threatening to a WK.
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2015/09/01 23:17:43
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Strength 7 vs Toughness 8, with non-armour saves.
Ima side with Martel on this one.
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2015/09/02 00:21:19
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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They each have twin-linked plasma talons (plasma guns with 18" range). Should they decide to Jink, they have a 3+ re-rollable cover save. When taken in a Ravenwing Strike Force, they can Jink on turn 1 and fire without Snapshotting on turn 2.
They each have 3 S5 Rending attacks in melee (4 on the charge). They also have Hit and Run. Unlike many Hit and Run units, they might even leave on the turn they charge, then dare someone to charge into their BS2 twin-linked plasma gun Overwatch.
They have Stubborn, Scout, and Move through Cover to get them safely and quickly to anywhere you need them to be.
If you were feeling up to it, you can replace one of the plasma talons to give that Wraithknight -1 WS and I, so they'd hit him on a 3+ and swing simultaneously.
They are all-around murder machines with the firepower, fisticuffs, speed, and durability to not just kill Wraithknights, but anything else that you deem necessary.
They are also half the cost of a grav-turion and don't wobble around the board like an old man with 2 broken hips.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/09/02 01:03:10
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2015/09/02 01:26:54
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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Ideal situation I decipher from what you described:
Eight BKs trading one talon for stat reduction. ~3 wounds on shooting, subsequent charge deals ~2 more, they lose two of their number to the WK not accounting for stomps.
This assumes WK has no cover, BKs have taken no casualties getting within 9'' (rapid fire assumed) of the WK, discounts WK overwatch, assumes no shield for WK.
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They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines, and they shall know no fear. |
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2015/09/02 03:15:11
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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I personally would not take the grenade, but yes, that math checks out.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2015/09/02 03:16:10
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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GW doesn't even send you a laminated datasheet... Just a link to their PDF.
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2015/09/02 12:00:42
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Really?! I was under the impression that there was a laminated sheet in the box, kind of like the Skitarii had with them. Oh damn then, how do people make sure you have a "real" copy of the rules then?
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2015/09/02 12:16:37
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Been Around the Block
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2015/09/02 12:37:56
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Fleshbane still works vs Wraith Knigths, so get a perils then roll a 6!
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2015/09/02 13:52:27
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Remtek wrote:Fleshbane still works vs Wraith Knigths, so get a perils then roll a 6!
Who reliably gets Fleshbane?
Eldar do...
New plan: Get Eldar Allies.
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2015/09/02 16:49:37
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp
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I think Chaos has have a few weapons and characters that do it. Black Mace is obviously the first and foremost.
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2015/09/02 18:44:05
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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 Selym wrote:Remtek wrote:Fleshbane still works vs Wraith Knigths, so get a perils then roll a 6!
Who reliably gets Fleshbane?
Eldar do...
New plan: Get Eldar Allies.
Belial has a Fleshbane sword and that's the only one I can think of right now. These things are indeed few and far between.
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2015/09/02 18:45:26
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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 Lammikkovalas wrote: Selym wrote:Remtek wrote:Fleshbane still works vs Wraith Knigths, so get a perils then roll a 6!
Who reliably gets Fleshbane?
Eldar do...
New plan: Get Eldar Allies.
Belial has a Fleshbane sword and that's the only one I can think of right now. These things are indeed few and far between.
I think some Daemon stuff has it as well.
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 Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2015/09/02 18:47:15
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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 Desubot wrote: Lammikkovalas wrote: Selym wrote:Remtek wrote:Fleshbane still works vs Wraith Knigths, so get a perils then roll a 6!
Who reliably gets Fleshbane?
Eldar do...
New plan: Get Eldar Allies.
Belial has a Fleshbane sword and that's the only one I can think of right now. These things are indeed few and far between.
I think some Daemon stuff has it as well.
Yea, the Black Mace. Useable only by CSM Daemon Princes, iirc.
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2015/09/02 18:50:03
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Selym wrote: Desubot wrote: Lammikkovalas wrote: Selym wrote:Remtek wrote:Fleshbane still works vs Wraith Knigths, so get a perils then roll a 6!
Who reliably gets Fleshbane?
Eldar do...
New plan: Get Eldar Allies.
Belial has a Fleshbane sword and that's the only one I can think of right now. These things are indeed few and far between.
I think some Daemon stuff has it as well.
Yea, the Black Mace. Useable only by CSM Daemon Princes, iirc.
I mean chaos daemons had some kinda reward or greater reward that had a sword with fleshbane armor bane or something.
No codex in hand atm
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Unit1126PLL wrote: Scott-S6 wrote:And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.
Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!
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2015/09/02 20:00:01
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Fixture of Dakka
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Skarbrand has a fleshbane, instant death weapon.
He can kill absolutely everything he touches, unfortunately getting him places is nearly impossible.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/09/02 20:00:45
"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
Freelance Ontologist
When people ask, "What's the point in understanding everything?" they've just disqualified themselves from using questions and should disappear in a puff of paradox. But they don't understand and just continue existing, which are also their only two strategies for life. |
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2015/09/02 20:31:49
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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DarknessEternal wrote:Skarbrand has a fleshbane, instant death weapon.
He can kill absolutely everything he touches, unfortunately getting him places is nearly impossible.
wai?
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2015/09/02 21:30:58
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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Selym wrote: DarknessEternal wrote:Skarbrand has a fleshbane, instant death weapon.
He can kill absolutely everything he touches, unfortunately getting him places is nearly impossible.
wai?
He doesn't have wings, that's why.
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2015/09/02 21:33:46
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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No transports/teleports/deepstrikes?
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2015/09/02 23:03:40
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Violent Space Marine Dedicated to Khorne
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I am pretty sure blood of kittens has the dataslate available.
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2015/09/03 01:28:15
Subject: Best ways to kill Wraithknights with SM besides Grav weapons
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Incorrect sir, I have my laminated datasheet right beside me, tucked in the back of my UM Limited edition Codex: Ultramarines.
That was an expensive month.
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 warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
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