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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/10 12:05:35
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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jonolikespie wrote:The bland new setting that hasn't told us squat about what our old armies are up to (or if they even exist anymore) other than cheering on the Sigmarines.
Dude, thats the point l. You can still play games with your army. Even if you dont follow the book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/10 12:22:14
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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Dreadnok89 wrote: jonolikespie wrote:The bland new setting that hasn't told us squat about what our old armies are up to (or if they even exist anymore) other than cheering on the Sigmarines.
Dude, thats the point l. You can still play games with your army. Even if you dont follow the book.
Right, I can still play my Dark Elves and pretend the whole end of the world never happened. Or I can play my Dark Elves in Kings of War and continue pretending the end of the world never happened with a ruleset that more closely resembles the WHFB ruleset i loved (in fact it is written by the same guy).
The thing stopping me from looking at AoS (apart from the deliberate lack of balancing factor/points) is that my dark elves have not been mentioned in the new setting yet. All I know is they are, so some reason, a force of order now. Which makes me wary since they are supposed to be sadistic bastards.
It's all well and good to use the whole 'infinite realms therefore you can put whatever you want in' line, but that simply doesn't stop people doing what they want, it in no way actively entices people unless those people like sigmarines fighting chaos.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/10 12:29:15
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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Somewhere in south-central England.
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A major factor for a lot of people playing WHFB and/or 40K is the official fluff.
Back off topic, I wonder what percentage of GW's annual sales are kits that have been forcibly sold to independant retailers who cannot sell them on to the public or send them back to GW for credit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/10 12:35:05
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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If the entire whfb playerbase in someone's area switched to AoS then it could be said that the person's collection is worthless as far as gaming goes. Or maybe the only shop around is GW, I don't see them accepting people playing 8th.
Mindstrike1 wrote: jonolikespie wrote:The bland new setting that hasn't told us squat about what our old armies are up to (or if they even exist anymore) other than cheering on the Sigmarines.
Clearly you haven't read the campaign books because if you had it would have told you the backstory.
The backstory which was written exclusively to be able to shoehorn space marines into fantasy anyway.
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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.
A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.
How could I look away?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/10 13:04:46
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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Kilkrazy wrote:A major factor for a lot of people playing WHFB and/or 40K is the official fluff.
Back off topic, I wonder what percentage of GW's annual sales are kits that have been forcibly sold to independant retailers who cannot sell them on to the public or send them back to GW for credit.
Given that GW was trying to talk stores into buying like 80 copies of the starter on launch they might legitimately have been trying to get as many out the door onto FLGSs as they could so they could claim they moved a ton of product even if none of it ever found its way into the hands of customers.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/10 14:43:53
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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Oggthrok wrote:[There's part of me that's accepting that the Age of Sigmar may simply be a two-army release, and that when Stormcast and Bloodbound finally have an expensive multipart kit for every blessed single pose item found in the starter set, all we'll see following on are repacks and strained explanations for why every new world we visit is populated with exactly the same races we already knew.
I would imagine repacks will be a thing for the more recent kits (like last 2-3 years) - but looking at what we've been told about the new races, Dwarfs have definitely split into two factions, one of which (from the artwork) is Brotherhood of Grimnir-style slayers who are mercenaries. Alongside Magma beasts. Tied in with GW's IP-wars methodology of ensuring that no rules are published or models visually hinted at before there is a physical product then I'd say there's new stuff coming.
Because a Slayer army on GW's current slayer options would barely qualify as a theme list, let alone a faction in their own right.
I would suggest that Elves are going to be a complete ground-up overhaul as they've barely even been mentioned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/10 17:15:31
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Given that the vast bulk of WFB players were no longer Customers (they stopped buying product from GW or Indys), I hardly see the issue. It's not like GW killed off some super-popular game that was making them mad money (i.e. 40k).
IMO, now is a good time to pick up WFB on the cheap, and simply play what you like, whether it be 6E, 7E, 8E, AoS or something else.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/10 23:44:21
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Plumbumbarum wrote:If the entire whfb playerbase in someone's area switched to AoS then it could be said that the person's collection is worthless as far as gaming goes. Or maybe the only shop around is GW, I don't see them accepting people playing 8th.
I know the manager of my local GW, and I know from talking to him, the only "hard" rule on games in store is the one to be expected: GW games.
He truly doesn't care if you play 2nd edition 40k, 4th ed. fantasy or whatever, so long as the game itself was a GW game.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/10 23:55:46
Subject: Re:A confused gamer's question.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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That's nice but I don't think it will be general rule for GW shops.
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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.
A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.
How could I look away?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/11 00:03:12
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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Ensis Ferrae wrote:Plumbumbarum wrote:If the entire whfb playerbase in someone's area switched to AoS then it could be said that the person's collection is worthless as far as gaming goes. Or maybe the only shop around is GW, I don't see them accepting people playing 8th.
I know the manager of my local GW, and I know from talking to him, the only "hard" rule on games in store is the one to be expected: GW games.
He truly doesn't care if you play 2nd edition 40k, 4th ed. fantasy or whatever, so long as the game itself was a GW game.
That would stink only to play GW games, there are so many better games out there
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/11 00:28:20
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I know the manager of my local GW, and I know from talking to him, the only "hard" rule on games in store is the one to be expected: GW games.
He truly doesn't care if you play 2nd edition 40k, 4th ed. fantasy or whatever, so long as the game itself was a GW game.
Yeah, it's the same thing here. I've seen people play Advanced HeroQuest, Space Crusade and Talisman.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/09/11 01:04:51
Subject: A confused gamer's question.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Chute82 wrote:
That would stink only to play GW games, there are so many better games out there
That may be.... but why would you think that playing Warmachine or Hordes, or Malifaux, inside of a Games Workshop Storefront would be OK, or acceptable? This isn't an FLGS I'm talking about, it's an LGW.
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