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2015/09/12 18:11:45
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
Let's not forget Abbadon took on a CLOSE of Horus and WON and he didn't need any chaos power and unlike Horus Abbadon hasn't gave his soul to the gods they keep giving him more power to tempt him to sell his soul but he won't unlike Horus who was weak as a paper bag
2015/09/12 18:35:46
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
To be fair, it's not just any old man. It's the most badass, cigar chomping potato faced melon-fether this side of the galaxy.
Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
1500 pts
: My Salamanders painting blog 16 Infantry and 2 Vehicles done so far!
2015/09/12 18:53:23
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
Champion of Slaanesh wrote: Let's not forget Abbadon took on a CLOSE of Horus and WON and he didn't need any chaos power and unlike Horus Abbadon hasn't gave his soul to the gods they keep giving him more power to tempt him to sell his soul but he won't unlike Horus who was weak as a paper bag
Da fuq? You don't gain power from Chaos Undivided and not sell your soul. It doesn't matter that he thinks his soul is his own, he sold it the moment he took power from the Ruinous Powers.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/09/13 08:09:02
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
Champion of Slaanesh wrote: Let's not forget Abbadon took on a CLOSE of Horus and WON and he didn't need any chaos power and unlike Horus Abbadon hasn't gave his soul to the gods they keep giving him more power to tempt him to sell his soul but he won't unlike Horus who was weak as a paper bag
Da fuq? You don't gain power from Chaos Undivided and not sell your soul. It doesn't matter that he thinks his soul is his own, he sold it the moment he took power from the Ruinous Powers.
Nope you don't have to sell your soul Abbadon hasn't he's practically made the gods his whipping boys lmao
2015/09/13 08:46:00
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
Given the fact he views horus as weak for giving himself over ti the gods I doubt he's sold his own soul plus it'd be kind of hard to get the mark of chaos ascendant if he did
2015/09/13 15:31:07
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
Champion of Slaanesh wrote: Given the fact he views horus as weak for giving himself over ti the gods I doubt he's sold his own soul plus it'd be kind of hard to get the mark of chaos ascendant if he did
On the contrary, I don't know how you'd get the mark of chaos ascendant without some kind of sacrifice to the gods.
2015/09/13 17:27:45
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
Champion of Slaanesh wrote: Let's not forget Abbadon took on a CLOSE of Horus and WON and he didn't need any chaos power and unlike Horus Abbadon hasn't gave his soul to the gods they keep giving him more power to tempt him to sell his soul but he won't unlike Horus who was weak as a paper bag
Da fuq? You don't gain power from Chaos Undivided and not sell your soul. It doesn't matter that he thinks his soul is his own, he sold it the moment he took power from the Ruinous Powers.
Nope you don't have to sell your soul Abbadon hasn't he's practically made the gods his whipping boys lmao
Do you even understand the fundamental nature of Chaos? It corrupts, that's what it does. The only way Abaddon could go without Chaos corruption is if he were to be the Emperor, and use the "pure" Warp energy (the Lost and the Damned) that the Emperor uses. As he gets his power directly from Chaos, ther is no way in Hell he could go without selling his soul. By simply performing rituals to appease the Dark Gods, he is promising his soul to them. It's just how Chaos works.
To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote: There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes...
2015/09/17 11:30:54
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
"Abaddon has led twelve Black Crusades against the Imperium. Some have been great invasions of whole Legions of the lost and the damned, others have been vicious raids with only a few companies of the most deadly Chaos Space Marines at his command. Each attack has sent the Imperium reeling and ravaged worlds close to the Eye of Terror. The High Lords of Terra live in fear of the day that Abaddon unites all of the Traitor Legions into an unstoppable horde and returns to play out the last acts of treachery begun by Horus ten thousand years ago."
"Abaddon dreams of forging a diabolic empire of his own from the blazing ruins of the shattered Imperium. Each world, each city destroyed, is a step closer to wiping the canvas clean so he can make his mark upon the galaxy."
"Abaddon the Despoiler, most feared adversary of the Imperium, has slowly but surely marshalled the forces of countless Traitor Legions to the point where he stands on the brink of challenging the Emperor himself as Warmaster Horus did before him."
To me, perhaps with the benefit of perspective of where the fluff is today, the way the 2nd ed codex is setting the scene is Abaddon has been bringing together the forces of chaos to the point where he can launch the greatest and final black crusade, the one which will bring the imperium to it's knees.
'12 failures' is nothing to do with retcon. It is something the playerbase invented.
2015/09/17 11:38:19
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
"Abaddon has led twelve Black Crusades against the Imperium. Some have been great invasions of whole Legions of the lost and the damned, others have been vicious raids with only a few companies of the most deadly Chaos Space Marines at his command. Each attack has sent the Imperium reeling and ravaged worlds close to the Eye of Terror. The High Lords of Terra live in fear of the day that Abaddon unites all of the Traitor Legions into an unstoppable horde and returns to play out the last acts of treachery begun by Horus ten thousand years ago."
"Abaddon dreams of forging a diabolic empire of his own from the blazing ruins of the shattered Imperium. Each world, each city destroyed, is a step closer to wiping the canvas clean so he can make his mark upon the galaxy."
"Abaddon the Despoiler, most feared adversary of the Imperium, has slowly but surely marshalled the forces of countless Traitor Legions to the point where he stands on the brink of challenging the Emperor himself as Warmaster Horus did before him."
To me, perhaps with the benefit of perspective of where the fluff is today, the way the 2nd ed codex is setting the scene is Abaddon has been bringing together the forces of chaos to the point where he can launch the greatest and final black crusade, the one which will bring the imperium to it's knees.
'12 failures' is nothing to do with retcon. It is something the playerbase invented.
It's become permanent playerbase headcannon, because Abby is useless armless old sod.
If he does something cool, it may change a few things.
2015/09/17 12:04:42
Subject: in current 40k lore its amazing to think what abaddon has done
"Abaddon has led twelve Black Crusades against the Imperium. Some have been great invasions of whole Legions of the lost and the damned, others have been vicious raids with only a few companies of the most deadly Chaos Space Marines at his command. Each attack has sent the Imperium reeling and ravaged worlds close to the Eye of Terror. The High Lords of Terra live in fear of the day that Abaddon unites all of the Traitor Legions into an unstoppable horde and returns to play out the last acts of treachery begun by Horus ten thousand years ago."
"Abaddon dreams of forging a diabolic empire of his own from the blazing ruins of the shattered Imperium. Each world, each city destroyed, is a step closer to wiping the canvas clean so he can make his mark upon the galaxy."
"Abaddon the Despoiler, most feared adversary of the Imperium, has slowly but surely marshalled the forces of countless Traitor Legions to the point where he stands on the brink of challenging the Emperor himself as Warmaster Horus did before him."
To me, perhaps with the benefit of perspective of where the fluff is today, the way the 2nd ed codex is setting the scene is Abaddon has been bringing together the forces of chaos to the point where he can launch the greatest and final black crusade, the one which will bring the imperium to it's knees.
'12 failures' is nothing to do with retcon. It is something the playerbase invented.
It's become permanent playerbase headcannon, because Abby is useless armless old sod.
If he does something cool, it may change a few things.
No. Repeating that tired old meme does not make it true.
Arcsquad12 wrote: Horus managed to storm towards Terra in 7 years. Abaddon has yet to make a dent on the Imperial Capital in 10000 years. Not to say he hasn't had significant accomplishments (the Cadian Gate wouldn't be nearly as vital if he hadn't), but to put him on the same level as the Primarchs is a little hyperbolic. The Reign of Blood did more damage than an individual Black Crusade.
Horus had half of all Imperial military might on his side, not to mention the fact that the Adeptus MEchanicus's empire was turned to rubble by him (foundation of the Dark MEchanium, and all that). Not only that, but Horus had half of the few remaining loyal Legions (and their Imperial Army auxilliaries) sent out to the farthest reaches of the galaxy to slow their reaction times. Horus started from the inside, with equal or superior military might that was equal to (if not superior to) that of his foes. abaddon is assaulting from the outside with inferior numbers and military might, without even the hope of infiltrating the Imperium with spies to anywhere near the level that Horus did.
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Korinov wrote: Honestly the black crusades being all "successes" could also be something from the insane Abbaddon's point of view. It's actually a retcon introduced in a terrible codex, it could very well be retconned again if GW ever decides to release a new CSM codex.
That said, considering he has no arms, he hasn't done that bad.
Spoiler:
1st Black Crusade: literally destroyed thousands of planets and created many Daemon worlds. Seems like a victory to me.
2nd Black Crusade: Allowed tens of thousands of Traitor Marines to leave the Eye of Terror in a massive exodus from Cadia (prior to failing to destroy Cadia). This has allowed Chaos Cults to spring up all over the place, not to mention the face that it gave Chaos Marines the capability to establish strongholds all over the Segmentum Obscurus. Seems like a victory to me.
3rd Black Crusade: Imperial Saint's prophecies prevented from being fulfilled while a diversionary attack massacres millions on Cadia. Seems like a victory to me.
4th Black Crusade: Defenses of the Cadian Gate critically weakened by the destruction of a key fortress world. Seems like a victory to me.
5th Black Crusade: scouring of an entire Sector, plus the destruction of two planet's worth of shipyards, plus the (less important) destruction of two Space Marine Chapters in their entirety. Seems like a victory to me.
6th Black Crusade: elimination of a powerful rival and subsuming of the second largest force of ex-Sons-of-Horus in the Eye of Terror. Seems like a victory to me.
7th Black Crusade: His one's called the "Ghost War" for a reason. The forces of Abaddon spilled out of the eye and slipped straight through the Cadian defenses. They spread fear and deceit for centuries, likely establishing hundreds of Chaos strongholds , and definitely establishing thousands of Chaos Cults throughout the Imperium of Man. This also lead to a (less important) massacre of a few Companies of Blood Angels. Seems like a victory to me.
8th Black Crusade: Basically just a glorified sacrifice to Tzeentch. It wasn't much of a victory, but it confused the hell out of the Imperials. Definitely wasn't a defeat.
9th Black Crusade: Saw to the scouring of an entire Sector, which just so happened to be a critical Imperial Navy stronghold. Seems like a victory to me.
10th Black Crusade: Used ancient rivalries to forge an alliance between the Black Legion and the Iron Warriors while his diversionary forces saw to the destruction of scores of worlds. Seems like a victory to me.
11th Black Crusade: Wasn't much of a "Crusade". Abaddon attacked a single planet in order to experiment upon, and study, Orks. Wasn't much of a victory, but it definitely wasn't a defeat.
12th Black Crusade: Acquisition of 2 insanely powerful and ancient Xenos Star Forts, and destroying 4 irreplaceable Xenos relics used by the Imperium, plus destroying scores of Imperial worlds. Seems like a victory to me.
13th Black Crusade: They retconned this one, so we don't really know what's gonna happen.
Looking around Imperium is still around so i assume it is a fail But of course in the new 40k version abbadon will explode the warp and he will be the main protagonist in the Age of the emperor game with only 4 pages of rules!
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Arcsquad12 wrote: Horus managed to storm towards Terra in 7 years. Abaddon has yet to make a dent on the Imperial Capital in 10000 years. Not to say he hasn't had significant accomplishments (the Cadian Gate wouldn't be nearly as vital if he hadn't), but to put him on the same level as the Primarchs is a little hyperbolic. The Reign of Blood did more damage than an individual Black Crusade.
Horus had half of all Imperial military might on his side, not to mention the fact that the Adeptus MEchanicus's empire was turned to rubble by him (foundation of the Dark MEchanium, and all that). Not only that, but Horus had half of the few remaining loyal Legions (and their Imperial Army auxilliaries) sent out to the farthest reaches of the galaxy to slow their reaction times. Horus started from the inside, with equal or superior military might that was equal to (if not superior to) that of his foes. abaddon is assaulting from the outside with inferior numbers and military might, without even the hope of infiltrating the Imperium with spies to anywhere near the level that Horus did.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Korinov wrote: Honestly the black crusades being all "successes" could also be something from the insane Abbaddon's point of view. It's actually a retcon introduced in a terrible codex, it could very well be retconned again if GW ever decides to release a new CSM codex.
That said, considering he has no arms, he hasn't done that bad.
Spoiler:
1st Black Crusade: literally destroyed thousands of planets and created many Daemon worlds. Seems like a victory to me.
2nd Black Crusade: Allowed tens of thousands of Traitor Marines to leave the Eye of Terror in a massive exodus from Cadia (prior to failing to destroy Cadia). This has allowed Chaos Cults to spring up all over the place, not to mention the face that it gave Chaos Marines the capability to establish strongholds all over the Segmentum Obscurus. Seems like a victory to me.
3rd Black Crusade: Imperial Saint's prophecies prevented from being fulfilled while a diversionary attack massacres millions on Cadia. Seems like a victory to me.
4th Black Crusade: Defenses of the Cadian Gate critically weakened by the destruction of a key fortress world. Seems like a victory to me.
5th Black Crusade: scouring of an entire Sector, plus the destruction of two planet's worth of shipyards, plus the (less important) destruction of two Space Marine Chapters in their entirety. Seems like a victory to me.
6th Black Crusade: elimination of a powerful rival and subsuming of the second largest force of ex-Sons-of-Horus in the Eye of Terror. Seems like a victory to me.
7th Black Crusade: His one's called the "Ghost War" for a reason. The forces of Abaddon spilled out of the eye and slipped straight through the Cadian defenses. They spread fear and deceit for centuries, likely establishing hundreds of Chaos strongholds , and definitely establishing thousands of Chaos Cults throughout the Imperium of Man. This also lead to a (less important) massacre of a few Companies of Blood Angels. Seems like a victory to me.
8th Black Crusade: Basically just a glorified sacrifice to Tzeentch. It wasn't much of a victory, but it confused the hell out of the Imperials. Definitely wasn't a defeat.
9th Black Crusade: Saw to the scouring of an entire Sector, which just so happened to be a critical Imperial Navy stronghold. Seems like a victory to me.
10th Black Crusade: Used ancient rivalries to forge an alliance between the Black Legion and the Iron Warriors while his diversionary forces saw to the destruction of scores of worlds. Seems like a victory to me.
11th Black Crusade: Wasn't much of a "Crusade". Abaddon attacked a single planet in order to experiment upon, and study, Orks. Wasn't much of a victory, but it definitely wasn't a defeat.
12th Black Crusade: Acquisition of 2 insanely powerful and ancient Xenos Star Forts, and destroying 4 irreplaceable Xenos relics used by the Imperium, plus destroying scores of Imperial worlds. Seems like a victory to me.
13th Black Crusade: They retconned this one, so we don't really know what's gonna happen.
Looking around Imperium is still around so i assume it is a fail But of course in the new 40k version abbadon will explode the warp and he will be the main protagonist in the Age of the emperor game with only 4 pages of rules!
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