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 Nevelon wrote:

If GW just wanted paint to go bad, they never would have switched out the pots 4? versions ago (Brazen Brass in this pic) Unless the lid/threads were surgically cleaned after every use, the whole pot would dry out.

Not a fan of droppers myself, but the shifting formulas got old decades ago.

That pot, and the Bronzed Flesh pot next to it, were awful, awful designs. Am I the only one, or were those known as "bolter shell" pots? I vaguely recall hearing that nickname somewhere, and it stuck in my mind. The current ones are a huge step up from that.

Really hope they're not dropping paints, like some people say that's what makes people switch paint ranges...

Here is the page with the new chart scanned in at 300dpi. If you click on it and zoom in, you can make out each row



From what I see --

Extra row with Rakarth Flesh (2 now)
Daemonette Hide row is gone (boo!)
Ratksin Flesh row is gone (I'll miss Ungor Flesh, but oh well)
Dark Reaper row is gone (boo!)
Extra Retributor Armor row (yay!)
Lamenter's Yellow is gone (boo!)
Liquid Green Stuff is gone (yay?)
Imperial Primer, Lahmian Medium, Ardcoat added to Special Effects
Blackfire Earth & Underhive Ash gone (doubt anyone will miss these)
Agrellan Earth & Martian Ironearth moved to Basing Combinations (where they should be)

Thanks. Assuming they kept the same order those three collections are definitely missing, as is Lamenters Yellow and the Jungle Basing Collection (Lustrian Undergrowth/Underhive Ash).

I also noted what looks like a mention of new Dry metallic, Sigmarite (?). It appears in the Gold Collection and the new Retributor/Liberator Collection.

Looks like its back to the drawing board for my Necron paint scheme

 Mymearan wrote:
Really hope they're not dropping paints, like some people say that's what makes people switch paint ranges...

I think the daemonette hide (+ warpfiend grey, slaanesh grey) and dark reaper (+ thunderhawk blue) rows will be the only ones that anyone misses. But I believe they are going to web-only, along with the Edge Paints, not being discontinued entirely.

Interestingly, none of the edge paints are on the chart. I don't think I see the new Flayed One flesh either.

Out of everything GW's done to the paint range post GW New, Liberator Armor is the best paint, and Retributor the second. I'd trade all the ones that are gone for those two. The technical paints are really excellent too: typhus corrosion, nilakh oxide, blood for the blood god, nurgle's rot, ryza rust, agrellan earth, martian ironearth are all awesome.

The person at my shop says that the old paints are being removed from Bestsellers so that everything GW asks the stores to stock fits on 1 rack. If you look at it that way, they've added around 11 paints, so some have to go (at least off the rack).

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 Ghaz wrote:

Looks like its back to the drawing board for my Necron paint scheme

What's your Necron paint scheme?

 Talys wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Looks like its back to the drawing board for my Necron paint scheme

What's your Necron paint scheme?

Basically take the Novokh Dynasty paint scheme (the red and bright silver scheme seen in the photo section of the codex) and replace the red with the blue Duncan uses in the Tempestus Scions Painting Tutorial (base with The Fang, wash Agrax Earthshade, layer Thunderhawk Blue and highlight Fenrisian Grey).

I did note that the Edge paints are in the online store as web exclusive, so hopefully that is what they're doing with these colors as well and not outright discontinuing them.


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Hmm. Just noticed another change near the top of the new chart. There's a second Collection that uses Rakarth Flesh as a base. One of them uses Flayed One Flesh as a Layer (I think) while the other has something called 'Wrack White'. Then on the Mephiston and Khorne Red lines it looks like there's an 'Astorath Red' as well. There also looks like a change to the far right of Macragge Blue that I can't make out.

Wait the GW scion scheme uses Thunderhawk Blue? Damn it, I was going to use that one... What could I use to replace it?

Well, if it turns out you'll still be able to use Thunderhawk Blue but you'll have to order it direct from GW.

Got more or less a confirmation by my local store. I just called to ask how many pots of slanesh grey (one of the main colors of my tyranids) they have in stock. He said, that this color is marked as "oop" along with 10-15 other colors since half a year ago. So I ll just order like 15 pots to be sure that I can finish my army with an identical color scheme -.-

Greetings

EDIT: Its already marked in the online-shop:

http://www.shop.battlefield-berlin.de/index.php/katalog/artikelinfo/27013-1-show-slaanesh_grey_layer_oop.html

Think I ll run through all the colors I need for my armies... just to be sure xD

So I checked and found marked as oop:

Slanesh Grey
Daemonette Hide
DarkReaper
Lustrian Undergrowth
Ungor Flesh

I did not check the other colors

Thunderhawk Blue as well.

only one that really hits me (luckily) is dark reaper. It's the secondary colour for my admech forgeworld. I dont use much but still gonna grab a few pots for the stores

Thunderhawk Blue looks like Scale 75 Caspian Blue might be a good match for it.

some painting related pics

Thunderhawk Blue is now a Dry paint

Wait... Dawnstone is shown as a dry. If they remove that layer paint I'm rage quitting

Urghhhh dawstone is one of my most used paints...

Is liquid green stuff going away too? :-(

Nothing indicates that they would remove Dawnstone though like the other ones... I suppose it could be both a layer and a dry? I have to think it sells very well, it's a standard highlight for black > Eshin grey > Dawnstone.

So they are removing some of the regular paints, which could be applied as a drybrush with a simple technique that we all used before GW introduced 'dry' paints, and are replacing it with the odd consistency of a 'dry' paint that doesn't really thin back down to a regular paint....


Why, is my question.

What purpose could this serve, who does this benefit?

What's the point of the 'dry' paints anyway?

I haven't experienced any better drybrushing performance from them over regular paint.

Also; how many changes of the paint line dies it take for people to start switching to a more consistent range?

I reached my breaking point a long time ago but thanks to some medium and a herculean mixing effort a few years ago, most of my older GW paints still work (well not the ones in the 'Boltershell screwtop pots' of course since those are the worst paintpot design ever concieved) so It'll take years and years before I've replaced even half of my paints.

Well, interesting sidenote, GW don't own the name "Sigmarite" and have avoided using it in their paint names. It belongs as a non-registered trademark to this paint company (FWIW, they do also own the trademark on "Sigmarine"). Hmmmm....

Do you think GW got an ugly surprise when they went to register that and found it already taken?

 jonolikespie wrote:
Do you think GW got an ugly surprise when they went to register that and found it already taken?

Well, as I said- "Sigmarite" is not registered, but there is an existing paint product on the market with that name. I notice GW have slapped a TM on the Sigmarite pot.

Curious to see if anything plays out from this.

The last thing this range needs is more dry paints.

it's so dumb to make them dry.
You can paint and dry brush with a regular paint.
You can only dry brush with dry paints.

It's just hamstringing your own product line.

Mr.Church13 wrote:
The last thing this range needs is more dry paints.

it's so dumb to make them dry.
You can paint and dry brush with a regular paint.
You can only dry brush with dry paints.

It's just hamstringing your own product line.

This is GW we're talking about. This has been their M.O for the last few years.

Devil's Advocate here. The Dry paint range is great for new painters to be able to simply dip their brush in and get great drybrush technique with little to no practice.

Personally I've used a couple of them and they're OK, but they dry out ridiculously fast. I used one color ONCE, and then the next time I went back to it a couple months later on a new project, it was like tar.

If they removed Dawnstone I'll be pretty upset, I use that color very regularly... although it wont be that bad. It's such a dark grey that I can just mix a teeny bit of light gray with black and I'll get the same thing. Nevertheless I'll probably go buy a few spare pots... Think I'll hit the hobby store tonight heh.

Don't get me wrong the dry range does work, but it's never taken me long to teach someone how to use regular paints for dry brushing.

Just a really dumb idea here.

First of all, scorn for dry paint is silly. They are AWESOME if you use them in the right context: anyone who paints a whole lot of terrain will tell you that they're a godsend. Some of the dry paints like Necron Compound can make the difference between 3 hours of highlighting or 3 minutes of drybrushing.

It's not just that they are very easy to get to the right consistency on the brush. It's also that one pot of dry paint lasts FOREVER. The mileage is incredible. Plus, the colors are really ideal for highlighting. Colors like Tyrant Skull and Eldar Flesh are just perfect for quickly finishing things like bases -- where drybrush paints will get you thousands of bases done, because the only thing you'll ever find with more pigment in a pot is a powder.

These boards were painted with many dry paints. Almost every inch of these have some dry paint on it, including necron compound literally everywhere you see metallic (highlighting silver, gold, bronze):



All the metal parts on this dreadnought here were drybrushed with necron compound, too -- it's not just for terrain:



That being said, calling a dry paint thunderhawk blue and dawnstone is stupid. The colors are probably exactly the same as the old thunderhawk blue and the current dawnstone (so you could have dawnstone dry, or dawnstone layer, for instance), but it would have made so much more sense to call them something else similar.

Last thing... Thunderhawk Blue as a drybrush paint is actually really nice for me. I only ever use it as a drybrush first highlight But, it would be nice if they kept it as a layer paint too, for folks who use it for that purpose. In a pinch, you could just add lahmian medium (or some other medium) to make the dry paint regular paint.


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Two other things I noticed --

New ** 24ml ** citadel shades? That sounds cool. At a price of $7.50, that's a discount from the current price, and awesome for nuhln oil and agrax earthshade (I just bought 6 of each, literally three days ago, sigh).

Liquid Green Stuff: $6.50 USD? Really? O.O

And while that's wonderful for you. Thunderhawk and Dawnstone are two of my regularly used colors, as actual paints.

Now I can't do that with the useless dry versions.

Dang it GW you ADD to a good line you don't REMOVE!

Bought 7 pots of Thunderhawk and Dawnstone each upon hearing this. My Stormtroopers shall not be unpainted!

GODDAMNIT GEEDUB WHY YOU DO THIS!?

Thunderhawk Blue was my main paint for my Necrons. Now they'll look like Ultra-Necrons.