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You get 55 guardsmen.
Give all your sergeants Power axes.
To this you add 50 concsripts.
Add priests, commissars and a Lord Commissar.
Repeat above with 55more guardsmen
With 5 more sergeants with Power axes.
And 50 more concripts.
Add priests, commissars and one more Lord Commissar.

Charge with your 200 men in 4 squads with LD 10 stubborn and re-rolls to hit or wound and laugh and laugh and laugh.

The only problem is that you won't make it there without psy defence or tanking characters.

Definitely Daemons if you're ok with psychic support. Even just Be'Lakor will make any assault deathstar much more durabke with invisibility, and you can use his shrouding power to make a bloodthirster with a str d axe nigh unkillable before he gets to combat.

If you're not looking to do psychic shenanigans, wolf star is probably the best way to go; however Necron Wraith stars can definitely do well. Support with a conclave of the burning one and your C'Tan will get to combat. I especially like Orikan because eventually he will also become a C'Tan (most of the time)

 koooaei wrote:
I advice you to play some other codexes before making such statements too. Be it CSM, Orks, KDK, DE or even melee eldar. Marines have a lot to offer. And yes, marine statline is good for the points.

I have army swapped several times. I still think 7th ed punishes meqs harshly. Meqs are only good on paper at this point. You need better units to be a viable CC threat now.

Yep, you do need some tricks to pull cc off. As a primarilly ork player, i know what it's like to face a wall of fire that shoots you off the board. Some armies simply don't have 2+ rerollable bikes.

But there are some things that can be done. For example, orks can utilise swarm approach simply overtaking the midfield and staying there as long as possible. It was very hard to do and i got constantly shot down and struggling but than i descovered void shields. I've also seen odd lists with daemon allies do outstandingly well. Orks swarm up and chop stuff with meganobz while daemons protect the backlines, enforce the front lines with summoning or taking deathstars and fmc out of the game with a Masque.

CSM have some options combining themselves with daemon allies or forgeworld. Some slingshot spawns and choppy characters like typhus or kharn. Bunker with an escape hatch is nice for them. Psy support. Cypher.

IG are a pretty scary melee army if you get some inquisitor allies and...void shields again. They put a lot of cheap wounds and a ton of ap2 attacks from sarges and melta bombs.

Blood angels can pull it off with threat overload. Death company are a good unit. Min sang guard in places without ap2 (hard, i know, but they rock the backlines if deepstruck properly). Ba combine with skyhammer quite nicely. Melta-drop asm, death co right on the fronts while the enemy is occupied with what's there turn one.
Or you could run IG allies. You've got a lot of pods. They've got relatively cheap decurion CCS with almost guaranteed ignore cover/mc hunter/tankhunter plazma/melta and ignore cover ap3 artillery.

You need some tricks but it's doable. Let's say, you've got more hope of winning than in 6-th ed.

Blood angels can't threat overload because none of their units has any staying power. You present lots of threats, and then the Xenos kill them all before they can assault.

Martel732 wrote:
Blood angels can't threat overload because none of their units has any staying power. You present lots of threats, and then the Xenos kill them all before they can assault.

Well you sound like you have a very defeatist attitude and will only contribute negative, broad statements regarding Blood Angels. So we get it, Martel has no faith in Blood Angels and is sure they will always die to a Xenos army.

We may be approaching the realm of tournament play vs FLGS play. But the title of the thread is the "BEST" close combat codex. So we may all agree that Blood Angels are not the "BEST". However there is disagreement as to whether they can still be effective.

 Icculus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Blood angels can't threat overload because none of their units has any staying power. You present lots of threats, and then the Xenos kill them all before they can assault.

Well you sound like you have a very defeatist attitude and will only contribute negative, broad statements regarding Blood Angels. So we get it, Martel has no faith in Blood Angels and is sure they will always die to a Xenos army.

We may be approaching the realm of tournament play vs FLGS play. But the title of the thread is the "BEST" close combat codex. So we may all agree that Blood Angels are not the "BEST". However there is disagreement as to whether they can still be effective.

It's hard to be effective with no models on the table.

Imperial Guard with maxed infantry squads, meltaguns, power axes, Commissars, Priests, Inquisitors, and a psyker or two. Throw in Azrael for an automatic 4++. It's the best thing I can come up with after playing CC for quite some time.

Martel732 wrote:

 Icculus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Blood angels can't threat overload because none of their units has any staying power. You present lots of threats, and then the Xenos kill them all before they can assault.

Well you sound like you have a very defeatist attitude and will only contribute negative, broad statements regarding Blood Angels. So we get it, Martel has no faith in Blood Angels and is sure they will always die to a Xenos army.

We may be approaching the realm of tournament play vs FLGS play. But the title of the thread is the "BEST" close combat codex. So we may all agree that Blood Angels are not the "BEST". However there is disagreement as to whether they can still be effective.

It's hard to be effective with no models on the table.

Are you saying this because you don't actually play 40k anymore?

 Icculus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Icculus wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Blood angels can't threat overload because none of their units has any staying power. You present lots of threats, and then the Xenos kill them all before they can assault.

Well you sound like you have a very defeatist attitude and will only contribute negative, broad statements regarding Blood Angels. So we get it, Martel has no faith in Blood Angels and is sure they will always die to a Xenos army.

We may be approaching the realm of tournament play vs FLGS play. But the title of the thread is the "BEST" close combat codex. So we may all agree that Blood Angels are not the "BEST". However there is disagreement as to whether they can still be effective.

It's hard to be effective with no models on the table.

Are you saying this because you don't actually play 40k anymore?

I'm saying this because I haven't been tabled as much as I've been in 7th since 2nd.

I'm saying this because I haven't been tabled as much as I've been in 7th since 2nd.

It's funny because I have not posted in Dakka for months but Martel is still here with the same attitude, lurking among the threads just to disdain anything anyone says.

Keep going like this champ. Good night.

(Yes, I had no intention to contribute to the actual topic of the thread, sorry OP).

 RazgrizOne wrote:

I'm saying this because I haven't been tabled as much as I've been in 7th since 2nd.

It's funny because I have not posted in Dakka for months but Martel is still here with the same attitude, lurking among the threads just to disdain anything anyone says.

Keep going like this champ. Good night.

(Yes, I had no intention to contribute to the actual topic of the thread, sorry OP).

+1. I recently joined by I've come to the assumption that Martel is the Dakkadakka forum mascot. Keep it up!

On topic: I wasn't really serious with my IG post above. I recently faced a ork/CD (2500p) army in a tournament that seemed to be the only pure CC army there. They utterly wiped me. In fact they wiped 3 out of the 4 matches they played. As far as Close combat goes it was Quick, brutal and lots of fun to Watch/play against. So I guess a chaos deamons/Ork hybrid list is a legit tournament thing.

I've had success with melee ig lists. In fact, i won 3 out of 3 games. 1 opponent had a very competitive daemon list with fateweaver, summoning and a bunch of flying daemon princes, others were a bit more relaxed but still had a bunch of potent stuff like centurions and bikers - not white scars, though. Xeno inquisitor makes them shine. Nades and a scout move. VSG is a must. Otherwise, you won't make it into combat. Get force axes on psychers and power axes, meltabombs on sarges.

They chop like crazy. And you still have a lot of decent ranged support options. Even more so with ignore cover artillery. But i'd suggest to go for solid shot weapons like lazcannons, multilasers, autocannons and meltadrop. Decurion comsquads with melta + BA or SW pods are great. I used to have scions back in the day and they were mediocre. Enemy in transports are a problem.

There's a lot of people whining about Martel whining, but much fewer actually arguing his points. Just sayin'.

Hmm

I supposed, if one were to use a certain build, Necrons may be a viable close combat army.

They do have several CC specialists that are fairly effective.
For a while, shortly after the release of the 5th ed book, wraiths with a D. Lord were a common sight.
Not sure how they work nowadays though, due to the amount of anti-infantry / light AT flying around.

Nerak wrote:

On topic: I wasn't really serious with my IG post above. I recently faced a ork/CD (2500p) army in a tournament that seemed to be the only pure CC army there. They utterly wiped me. In fact they wiped 3 out of the 4 matches they played. As far as Close combat goes it was Quick, brutal and lots of fun to Watch/play against. So I guess a chaos deamons/Ork hybrid list is a legit tournament thing.

I was being serious about Guard CC armies. It's my favorite way to play them actually. Everyone always underestimates them.... Once

 Ignatius wrote:

Nerak wrote:

On topic: I wasn't really serious with my IG post above. I recently faced a ork/CD (2500p) army in a tournament that seemed to be the only pure CC army there. They utterly wiped me. In fact they wiped 3 out of the 4 matches they played. As far as Close combat goes it was Quick, brutal and lots of fun to Watch/play against. So I guess a chaos deamons/Ork hybrid list is a legit tournament thing.

I was being serious about Guard CC armies. It's my favorite way to play them actually. Everyone always underestimates them.... Once

I stand corrected. Still, I highly doubt they can stand up against a pure Close combat army.

Skyhammer or suck it.

This is the shooting edition, deal with it or die.

Nerak wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:

Nerak wrote:

On topic: I wasn't really serious with my IG post above. I recently faced a ork/CD (2500p) army in a tournament that seemed to be the only pure CC army there. They utterly wiped me. In fact they wiped 3 out of the 4 matches they played. As far as Close combat goes it was Quick, brutal and lots of fun to Watch/play against. So I guess a chaos deamons/Ork hybrid list is a legit tournament thing.

I was being serious about Guard CC armies. It's my favorite way to play them actually. Everyone always underestimates them.... Once

I stand corrected. Still, I highly doubt they can stand up against a pure Close combat army.

I realize my experience with them doesn't speak for the entirety of the gaming meta, but I'll just say they do quite well surprisingly. I think you'd be surprised yourself.