New Primarch - Corax.... uhg

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**VictorVonTzeentch**

kveldulf wrote:
VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
kveldulf wrote:
Ashiraya wrote:
Curze is stalking like a predator, perched atop a ruin, observing, threatening, ready to pounce.

Corax is landing after a long assault jump, his landing splitting the ground, shooting a foe on impact.

They are different.

Mentally put Curze on Corax's base and it becomes very evident.

Mentally I have, and I see it doesn't take much to change/swap the story between them. In the particular point you bring, you can change what exactly they are 'doing' with mainly swapping out the bases.

If you cannot see the difference, I guess outside of drawing lines madden style between the two (which I'm not going to bother doing), it's just gonna have to resort to being a visual puzzle: not everyone gets it.

I personally like diverse dynamic postures among my hero miniatures, particularly in a series of those miniatures. The human body has a renown ability to accommodate this without being absurd.

Not everyone is gonna share your opinion on this matter, it doesn't make them wrong or you right, get used to it.

Personally, I like the pose and the appearance of him firing into the Marine(s) he is assaulting. I like the similarities between him and Curze, as has been mentioned already, they are very similar Primarch. Their poses are similar Vet distinctly different, same with Fulgrim, Fulgrim appears to be dancing out of the way of Ferrus' hammer, and that something you only really see with them posed together. They both tell two sides of the story.

Corax and Curze don't, they tell their own stories. As has been pointed out Curze is posed ready to strike at his next victim and Corax is on the attack. Yes you could change a couple things about them and reverse the story like you said. But that is the point, two sides of the same coin.

Like it or don't its up to you. But people aren't wrong for thinking differently from you on a matter of opinion.

Please don't deconstruct my argument by attempting to make this solely a matter of opinions. If I notice a similarity but you do not, fine. If you really think otherwise that's okay, but we can't both be correct here. There might exist exclusive particulars of the models in ways, but that is not the basis of my distinction - it is the overall pose.

Furthermore, an opinion is not reduced to an opinion. An opinion is somewhere between ignorance and fact but It is neither devoid of referencing correctness - since that is the implied nature. I am either pointing out a something that is further from the truth or closer to it.

Also, did I say that someone was 'wrong' for not seeing what seems apparent to me? If you can't see it, okay - I then equated it to a puzzle: some see it, some don't.

If you would read my post you would see that I do see the similarities, and that its not important. You don't need to flat out say you believe people that don't agree with you are wrong, you insinuate that well enough through the overall tone of your dialogue.

I'm breaking your 'argument' down to a matter of opinion because that's what it comes down to. Your personal belief that similarities between the models is wrong and lazy, and the other people's opinions that similarities between the models is fine and supportive of the fluff in regards of similarities of the two Primarchs, Corax and Curze.

**ImAGeek**

Viridian wrote:
It's missing a whirling power whip in one hand, with some kind of aggressive raven talon(lightning claws) being provocative in the other. Should of put him on two feet nasty big jet pack. Followed by better armor etchings and overall style. I'm pretty done with the flying in posse' its getting old as you've said. Very underwhelming model really, I get the feeling not much time or effort was put into it especially with the etching on the armor. The jet pack is so/so but I would rather have a picture of the back of it before I say its crap. Over all out of all the primarchs this one's probably the worse. Which makes me sad cause this is my second favorite primarch. If I had to give this thing a Model Rating / Presentation Rating(How hes standing, equip on him etc.) 5 Model / 4 Presentation. Granted yeah that's almost avg. but the point is primarchs are awe inspiring not avg. I just don't get why they wanted to make an epic model out of Corax with his freaking BACK UP WEAPON.

I imagine a whip would have been etremely fragile in resin. Plus, his pistols aren't his back up weapon, they're his primary ranged weapons.

**Viridian**

**ImAGeek**

Lexicanum isn't the be all and end all. The pistols aren't additional firepower to anything, they are his firepower. Abbadons primary ranged weapon is his combi bolter, as the talon of Horus and sword aren't ranged weapons.

I don't see how they're cutting corners by not having the whip, especially if it wasn't feasible in resin. If they could have done it that's a different matter, but even if it's just coiled on his waist at least he has it. Corax isn't just known for using a whip, it's one of a few weapons. Plus for all we know he might have a whip as an option, ala Perturabo with his fist/hammer options.

I think the model works fine for Coraxs character. Him having a gun in his hand instead of a whip doesn't make him a different character or anything. He has the guns in his rules, it's not like they've come out of no where.

**Ashiraya**

I just think it's a shame because claw + whip was superdupercool.

**Wulfmar**

They're practising making lack-lustre models for when they make Magnus just to spite all the Thousand Sons players - fear not though, the latest legion upgrade sprue has prepared us for this.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

I must be the only person to have always thought the whip was dumb as a weapon. A symbol of the past and what his people achieved it can be ceremonial, but personally I like the Claws+pistols

**angelofvengeance**

ImAGeek wrote:

I imagine a whip would have been etremely fragile in resin. Plus, his pistols aren't his back up weapon, they're his primary ranged weapons.

This. So much. Look at the FW Bloodthirster and Keeper of Secrets(head and back tendrils) . Those must be a nightmare.

**ImAGeek**

angelofvengeance wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:

I imagine a whip would have been etremely fragile in resin. Plus, his pistols aren't his back up weapon, they're his primary ranged weapons.

This. So much. Look at the FW Bloodthirster and Keeper of Secrets(head and back tendrils) . Those must be a nightmare.

And those are much thicker than Corax's whip would be.

**Powerfisting**

Viridian wrote:
It's missing a whirling power whip in one hand, with some kind of aggressive raven talon(lightning claws) being provocative in the other. Should of put him on two feet nasty big jet pack. Followed by better armor etchings and overall style. I'm pretty done with the flying in posse' its getting old as you've said. Very underwhelming model really, I get the feeling not much time or effort was put into it especially with the etching on the armor. The jet pack is so/so but I would rather have a picture of the back of it before I say its crap. Over all out of all the primarchs this one's probably the worse. Which makes me sad cause this is my second favorite primarch. If I had to give this thing a Model Rating / Presentation Rating(How hes standing, equip on him etc.) 5 Model / 4 Presentation. Granted yeah that's almost avg. but the point is primarchs are awe inspiring not avg. I just don't get why they wanted to make an epic model out of Corax with his freaking BACK UP WEAPON.

The pistol was his main weapon. He kept the whip to remind himself of the years he spent under suppression