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I am pleased to find this thread, and have enjoyed reading the views, and learning more about the "old fluff"--I am relatively new to the universe and don't have much background knowledge from before this recent HH era. Thanks @Wanderer and @Hounds of Demos for clarifying what used to be canon.

I feel all bets are off in that regard, however, with the HH novelists taking the story in many different ways. Some of the HH books (and I've read most of them) seem to really fit in with the core storyline, while others (Damnation of Pythos, anyone?) don't seem to have much to do with anything at all, as far as I can tell. Just a 30k book rather than a 40k one. Some of the storylines have also been abandoned for a while, it seems--the Blood Angels have not been dealt with in much detail other than in "Fear to Tread" and I loved "Scars" but that's about all hwe have from that Chapter.

The Thousand Sons are the chapter I wanted to know about; it doesn't make sense to me that they would go to Terra, or that Magnus would blame the Emperor for what Russ did to him (Horus ordered that, after all). But...who knows? Alpha Legion being there in some form makes total sense, especially with the "Alien Conclave" storyline that's going on with them.

I feel that storyline ties in with Vulkan too, in Unremembered Empire especially. He was slain (?) precisely because that Alien group believes that if he "stands at the gates of Terra" with his special Emperor ability (see spoiler above--thanks @Warpig) then somehow that will thwart their plan?

Honestly I don't even really get the plan that convinced the Twin Primarchs in "Legion" to turn...is it just a "rip that plaster off fast and get it over with?" type idea? I feel the HH guys may have bitten off more than they can chew in trying to provide logical explanations for the way the Heresy went and the 40k universe (Grimdark like Horus's hallucinations/vision?) that currently exists. So, I am basically just hoping for more than the "Phantom Menace" here in terms of background. It's all very entertaining and there's something compelling about betrayal in general that keeps me reading, I think. But I'm confused.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying what's known about the Siege; I appreciate it!

Magnus believed that The Emperor had ordered the thousand sons wiped out, and did not find out to the contrary until it was to late to go back to the Imperium.

When you are stuck between living with a bunch of crazies or dying by going back, well...

AFAIK, IIRC, te Siege was the first traitorous action the T-Sons were involved in, mutated and Magnus in "corporeal energy Daemon" mode. The Word Bearers were there summoning Daemons, the Iron Warriors especially were there to crack the Palace defences. In fact, in Angel Exterminatus, there is a "wargame" room with holographic version of Epic 40k, where you could simulate battles, and the big one was the Imperial Palace which was made so Perturabo could perfect his strategy for breaking Dorn's design (and did no matter who commanded the loyalists)

 Deadshot wrote:
AFAIK, IIRC, te Siege was the first traitorous action the T-Sons were involved in, mutated and Magnus in "corporeal energy Daemon" mode. The Word Bearers were there summoning Daemons, the Iron Warriors especially were there to crack the Palace defences. In fact, in Angel Exterminatus, there is a "wargame" room with holographic version of Epic 40k, where you could simulate battles, and the big one was the Imperial Palace which was made so Perturabo could perfect his strategy for breaking Dorn's design (and did no matter who commanded the loyalists)

That's very much modern fluff, in the original setting it was the thousand sons as the representation of tzenetch summoning daemons all over terra.

Hmm...interesting. The way Magnus is painted in the modern HH books is definitely different from that. In "Thousand Sons" he doesn't want to resist (though he doesn't stop his troops from doing so) and only "transforms" when Russ breaks his back in combat right? So he very much seems the tragic son, not intending to betray the Emperor (but messing up the Golden Throne room anyway...) but disciplined because of his disobedience, and ironically because of his psychic gifts that came to him from the Emperor himself.

I feel for the Thousand Sons, man. I am looking forward to their rules (and new models) coming out in HH at some point; I'd love to do a pre-Heresy army of them.

Anyway...it's tragic history, so what do I expect? Happy endings? My own (BA) Primarch is going to die, I know, so not a lot to look forward to in that respect... That said, I am definitely looking forward to (some year) reading about the battle royale in the Siege of Terra.

 pantheralegionnaire wrote:
Hmm...interesting. The way Magnus is painted in the modern HH books is definitely different from that. In "Thousand Sons" he doesn't want to resist (though he doesn't stop his troops from doing so) and only "transforms" when Russ breaks his back in combat right? So he very much seems the tragic son, not intending to betray the Emperor (but messing up the Golden Throne room anyway...) but disciplined because of his disobedience, and ironically because of his psychic gifts that came to him from the Emperor himself.

I feel for the Thousand Sons, man. I am looking forward to their rules (and new models) coming out in HH at some point; I'd love to do a pre-Heresy army of them.

Anyway...it's tragic history, so what do I expect? Happy endings? My own (BA) Primarch is going to die, I know, so not a lot to look forward to in that respect... That said, I am definitely looking forward to (some year) reading about the battle royale in the Siege of Terra.

An awful lot has been fleshed out over the years, back then the whole horus heresy was very much a mystery with very little made clear and what there was has been tweaked and overlaid quite a bit.