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Tyranids and orks probably end up battling forever. Orks keep showing up and grow the tyranids keep coming with all the biomass. Hell there are orks that keep the tyranids and release them on every planet so they can fight them again.

Huron black heart wrote:
Ork and Tyranid swarms would swamp everything, they'd duke it out with each other after annihilating everyone else and probably wipe each other to near extinction.
Perhaps with a few Tyranids left to die out with nothing left to devour

I doubt tyranids would ever die out, more than likely just evolve into something else. If they consumed everything in the galaxy, they'd just move on to another one, or turn on each other and cannibalize.

When the Emperor dies the galaxy will be consumed by Chaos.

7e Rulebook wrote:If the Emperor fails, then none will be able to stop the influx of the dark powers; ravenous and all-consuming Daemons will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind. Reality as it is known will be subsumed by the stuff of Warp space – a realm of nightmares and cruel insanity where all life will end. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos.

^ Take that nids!

7ed is just being wet. chaos can wipe out humans, but humans probably aren't 50% of the occupants the galaxy. even if every human world becomes a chaos planet, there are more planets out there that are empty, or orky, or otherwise unavailable to chaos. what would happen is that the human factions would be removed from the galaxy, and the 'game' would continue without them. without new humans, chaos numbers would drop continually. other races simply aren't susceptible. so chaos would be fighting itself, fighting all the other races, and losing ground continually. they'd be in the position that the imperium is in now, a slow attrition. the chaos gods exist as a by-product of human emotion, so they'd get weaker and weaker as time went on, eventually popping out of existence.

and, as many people have already stated, there are only two races that are in a position to capitalise on all this.

the tau are dead men walking. even if cadia never falls, they're going to get et right up by the tyranids sooner or later. their only hope is to invent something that can feth up hive fleets faster than the hive fleet can absorb biomass.

the eldar too, are a dying race. perhaps they can all hide in the webway but an imperium of chaos will last long enough for some clever sorcerer to find a way to commoragh. or some orks might, now that would be a good fight.

the necrons will remain an insignificance. they'll either leave the galaxy or get destroyed sooner or later.

so, yes, that leaves us with orks and tyranids. we all know that there are more orks than humans within imperial space, and new waaaghs coming in from outside in continual waves. the two will keep fighting against chaos and the other races, keep fighting each other, but both are, as far as we can tell, an infinite resource that exist in untold numbers outside the imperium and come into it in waves - this will continue, they'll both outlive the fall of man, and the fall of chaos. and in the end one or the other will run out.

in my head the future is orkish. having defeated every other species in the galaxy, the orks all fight each other until one day some clever warboss decides that it might be fun to fight something else, so they all hope into kroozers and head off into the abyss between the galaxies to see what else is out there. eventually somewhere in the galaxy, something vaguely monkey-shaped will notice the peace and quiet and climb down out of the trees, and 250,000 years later the whole thing will start again.

 daddyorchips wrote:
7ed is just being wet. chaos can wipe out humans, but humans probably aren't 50% of the occupants the galaxy. even if every human world becomes a chaos planet, there are more planets out there that are empty, or orky, or otherwise unavailable to chaos.

Irrelevant. A dam with cracks will eventually fail totally. That walls of reality are already in a poor state, and being perforated a trillion times all across the galaxy instantly when the Emperor dies is going to let all the water out.
Look at the eye of terror, it wasn't just Eldar worlds that were consumed, but all the space in between as well.

Looking forward to Warhammer: Galaxy of Terror after the Emperor dies!

 mrhappyface wrote:
I didn't know tau were so insignificant

Visual Reference.

As a point, the Necrons have fought Orks before. They were the shock-troops of the Old Ones during the War in Heaven.

Assuming Abaddon's !3th black crusade is successful this is how i see it playing out:

Abbadon breaks threw Cadia, and is able to push into the imperium. And like always single minded Abaddon he pushes strait for terra. The black crusade I am sure will mostly include Chaos and the Imperium.

Another legion probably the Word Bearers or Alpha legion know something that some of the others legions don't. Horus isnt dead, but has instead been imprisoned on Titan in the Gray Knights fortress monastery. (The gray Knight fluff refers to something being imprisoned and watching over by the purifiers.) During the siege of Terra they attempt to turn Terra into a deamon world, and begin summoning Deamons in mass, to overwhelm the Imperial forces. Using this as a distraction one of these Legions draws the Gray Knights out in mass to try to deal with this threat. Leaving the vaults of Titan mostly undefended. Allowing them to break the siege. Freeing Horus from his 10k year prison.

As Horus is freed the emperor himself returns as is professed, and calls his sons back to him. The chaos forces shocked to find Horus returned leaves them divided, Abbadon probably assuming this is another Horus clone denies that this is the real horus. This leaves the Chaos forces divided and allows the Imperium a chance to push them back. Pushed back but not beaten Horus begins to summon his trator brothers back to him to bolster their forces, bringing the Deamon prince versions of his brothers to his side and summoning Angron Back from the warp to help bring the world eaters in line.

As Horus calls for his brothers the emperor calls for his sons as well, allowing the forces of the imperium to push back out from tera and pursue the forces of chaos across the galaxy.

Doing so bolsters the Chaos forces and allows them to fight back and hold their lines against the imperium. Fighting across the galaxy coming to a standstill with the primarchs returned the traitor legions take their home worlds back and begin to fortify the parts of the imperium that they have taken back. Leaving the Imperium in a state of civil war again. But i don't think one side ever "wins" I mean the imperium only sort of won the war, and that depends on which side you are looking at it from. As far as chaos is concerned the way is still happening.

With the Imperium in a state of civil war again, it changes the landscape without doing a catastrophic reset like AoS was. I hope GW learned their lesson with that. Most of this could be done with one or more of their campaign books which is most likely. Due to the fact that this seams to be their new model for how they do releases.

Only problem with that is Abaddon destroyed Horus' body after it was used for cloning and the emperor is a pile of bones who couldn't come back even if the golden throne wasn't failing.

I don't remember Abbadon destroying Horus body, I may have missed that, where did that happen? (just curious since i missed it). As for the emperor, I don't think its beyond someone as powerful as the emperor to reincarnate himself. I would assume if anyone could he would. And with all the legends about him coming back when mankind needs him most( i forget the exact phrasing) that this would be the only way to do it. Much of what we "know" about the golden throne and who exactly is on it could very well be lies carefully told to bring about this exact thing. a secret that only the custodies, Malcador, Dron and the emperor himself would know. It is technically entirely possible that Malcador is still on the throne even. The one part that has always confused me si WHy they need to sacrifice 1000 psykers a day to him, if he was strong enough to sustain the astronomican before why not when his entire psychic power is poured into it after he "died". (i know im on a tangent here) Malcadore on the other hand wasn't strong enough to sustain it, BUT if they sacrificed all those psykers into him.. maybe. it is entirely possible that the emperor was never on the throne to begin with.

 Dyslexican32 wrote:
I don't remember Abbadon destroying Horus body, I may have missed that, where did that happen? (just curious since i missed it). As for the emperor, I don't think its beyond someone as powerful as the emperor to reincarnate himself. I would assume if anyone could he would. And with all the legends about him coming back when mankind needs him most( i forget the exact phrasing) that this would be the only way to do it. Much of what we "know" about the golden throne and who exactly is on it could very well be lies carefully told to bring about this exact thing. a secret that only the custodies, Malcador, Dron and the emperor himself would know. It is technically entirely possible that Malcador is still on the throne even. The one part that has always confused me si WHy they need to sacrifice 1000 psykers a day to him, if he was strong enough to sustain the astronomican before why not when his entire psychic power is poured into it after he "died". (i know im on a tangent here) Malcadore on the other hand wasn't strong enough to sustain it, BUT if they sacrificed all those psykers into him.. maybe. it is entirely possible that the emperor was never on the throne to begin with.

I'm sure the sacrifices are more of a booster than a sustainer. Takes a lot of Psychic energy to span across the milky way.

Its a good point, I think if IOM falls, then possibly emps body dies and he is re-born (following one of the many theories)... he goes and digs out the Lazy-Lion from the rock... psychicly calls Russ, Corax, Vulkan and Khan from wherever they are, wakes up Girlyman from his nap and then the Emps with 6 primarchs initiate a second great crusade - there will be plenty of loyalist marines scattered around plus maybe the emps can make a few more? and also maybe finish his webway work at some point... or if the gak has really hit the fan He could make a pact with the eldar (to use the webway) to beat up chaos + nids + orks etc...

The one part that has always confused me is WHy they need to sacrifice 1000 psykers a day to him, if he was strong enough to sustain the astronomican before why not when his entire psychic power is poured into it after he "died".

I thought they where used up to sustain his mortal remains (life force) leaving his psychic might free to do its thing.

 daddyorchips wrote:
without new humans, chaos numbers would drop continually. other races simply aren't susceptible

Geez, why won't this xenos supremacist meme die already?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Saruthi
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Laer
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Scaephylyd
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Yu%27vath
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Xenarch
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Freebooter (scroll down to "types of Ork Freebooter" and read the entry on "Khorne's Stormboyz")
https://forum.eternalcrusade.com/threads/behold-the-end-of-the-imperium.33054/ (linked for the screenshot of daemon possessed orks which is from the old Daemonhunters codex)
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Genestealer_Cult (the Background Information section discusses Genestealer Cults worshipping Chaos, admittedly old fluff)
And Chaos Eldar, though rare, are a thing too. Even a former Phoenix Lord "burns with the light of Chaos".
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Karandras

That's all I feel like digging up for now. But xenos ARE susceptible to Chaos. Chaos just focuses most of its attention on humans because they're MOST susceptible, and also one of the MOST NUMEROUS RACES IN THE GALAXY.

I thought they where used up to sustain his mortal remains (life force) leaving his psychic might free to do its thing.

I really don't want to derail this thread to much, but why would they need to sacrifice psykers to sustain his mortal body? He was the only one strong enough physically to sustain it, it almost killed Malkador, and waisted him away, so i would assume that would mean that if he is strong enough to sustain it, then why does he need psykers sacrificed to him? Thats the last ill really say about the "what if" here cus I kinda derailed the thread! im sorry!

 Dyslexican32 wrote:
I don't remember Abbadon destroying Horus body, I may have missed that, where did that happen?

I can't remember where but not long aftwr the heresy some chaos cult stole Horus' body and attempted to clone it. Abaddon killed all the clones, the cult and he had Horus' body destroyed so no one could attempt to clone it in the future.

 Dyslexican32 wrote:

I thought they where used up to sustain his mortal remains (life force) leaving his psychic might free to do its thing.

I really don't want to derail this thread to much, but why would they need to sacrifice psykers to sustain his mortal body? He was the only one strong enough physically to sustain it, it almost killed Malkador, and waisted him away, so i would assume that would mean that if he is strong enough to sustain it, then why does he need psykers sacrificed to him? Thats the last ill really say about the "what if" here cus I kinda derailed the thread! im sorry!

They power the Astronomicon I think.

The 1000-psykers-a-day is to power the Astronomican, yes. This is a different group of Psykers than those which are brought before the Golden Throne (which is in a different location from the Astronomican). Those that survive "meeting" the Emperor go on as Sanctioned Psykers, the ones that didn't survive were consumed by the Emperor.

Assuming that the Sensei (The Emperor's biological children) survive Abbadon's conquest of the Imperium, they'll be sacrificed to the Emperor so that Emps can be rejuvenated and reborn as a god. If the Ynnead prophecy is true, Slaanesh is out of the picture as Ynnead might defeat Slaanesh, and if not, the weakened Slaanesh will be taken down by Cegorach.

I think we're all forgetting that the lore heavily imply that the Tyranid Hive Fleets actually entered the galaxy to escape an unknown threat. My theory? The Emperor is slain, Abbadon sits on the Golden Throne, then looks to the edge of the galaxy just in time to see the most terrifying force the galaxy has ever known: 30 trillion pissed off Squats!

30 trillion Squats vs a literally-infinite number of Daemons.

Not looking good for the Squats.

 EnTyme wrote:
The Emperor is slain, Abbadon sits on the Golden Throne, then looks to the edge of the galaxy just in time to see the most terrifying force the galaxy has ever known: 30 novtillion pissed off Squats!

Fixed that for you