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A buddy of mine frequently brings a hellhammer to our games of 40k. I find that Pask in a punisher is more dangerous then the super-heavy is. However, I do find it very hard to kill it. But, if I do kill it the extra VP's for doing wounds/hull points to super heavies and gargantuan creatures can really turn a game around.

I have a knight, but I find it hard fitting it into armies and I only used it in a few games. For the most part, I don't think there is anything wrong with super-heavies and will play against them. I just make sure I build my lists so that I have the ability to fight them. If I run into multiple lords of war, I would be in a bit more trouble.

Single Knights are barely superheavies and I don't find they are too much trouble to deal with, or at least mitigate.

Warlord Titan.
Bonus points if it's modeled with a party hat and horn like in the recent FW event announcement.

 chelsea_hollywood wrote:
So, where do you lie on the spectrum of "old fashioned 40k" to "My list is two warhounds and an Inquisitor"? How big is too big for you?

I am on the "Your list has two Warhounds? How cute, I have a Warlord." level.


*sigh*


If only I had a Warlord...






I'll play anything, no matter how big. Superheavies rarely give any problem, I have found. Their power is offset by their high cost, which means that in small games, you can't take much besides the superheavy in your list. This makes them not very useful in smaller games. The cheese and OP stuff is usually in the non-superheavy category.

After the newness of giant armies and apocalypse-level giant model combats wears off, I find skirmish-level combats to be quite fulfilling. A pair of Kill-Team forces squaring off stays so much more engrossing than chucking buckets of dice between parking lot battlelines.

Vehicles are fun, but they should be a couple of centerpiece models, in my opinion.

If it's a casual/pickup game, I'd be okay with one or two gargantuans/superheavies at 1750 or 2000. Any points between 1500 and 1750, I'd be a-ok facing against a single superheavy/gargantuan. Anything less than 1500, I'd be hesitant to play against any SHV/GMCs at all [of course, only if I have other people to play against].

I'd gladly join in a fun apocalypse event where other people have brought multiple superheavies, even though there aren't any in my army.

And I don't like to play 1 vs 1 games of above 2000 points without setting it up in advance.

In tournaments, it's a bit different - suffice to say, I'd go to almost any event that's not too expensive, but would choose lower point events - or events that restrict GMC/SHV/Other Cheese significantly - first.

 chelsea_hollywood wrote:
7th Ed offers us the opportunity to bring anything at all to a game. Like all things in 40k, if taken to an extreme this can be way less fun for one of the two people playing (occasionally not fun for either person)

The local scene is happy to see FW on the table but there are a few people pushing for things like the Tau Supremacy Suit or Titans in games as low as 1,000 pts. It's something the community is, i guess, struggling with. We'd like to see everyone have a good time with the models they bought, built and painted but not everyone is as keen to have to game plan for them

So, where do you lie on the spectrum of "old fashioned 40k" to "My list is two warhounds and an Inquisitor"? How big is too big for you?

Anything bigger than AV 13, tougher than T7 or flying, and I get annoyed...even if I don't show it.

I play by the rule of cool - if you're slapping unpainted models haphazardly on the table and playing like a smug goose who is paying to win, that's fine. I won't be playing you again. If you've gone to the effort to paint up a superheavy and you're really passionate about it and your army, then I'll gladly be beaten every time we play, as long as we're both having fun. It will spur me to bring new units to the next game, perhaps think outside the box on army selection etc. Maybe I'll invalidate the super heavy, and they'll suddenly switch armies and render my anti-super heavy army obsolete. But then again, I'm lucky that most of the people I play against play for the love of the game, not the love of winning. I feel sorry for people who only have "victory or sulk" opponents in their area.

Traditio wrote:

 chelsea_hollywood wrote:
7th Ed offers us the opportunity to bring anything at all to a game. Like all things in 40k, if taken to an extreme this can be way less fun for one of the two people playing (occasionally not fun for either person)

The local scene is happy to see FW on the table but there are a few people pushing for things like the Tau Supremacy Suit or Titans in games as low as 1,000 pts. It's something the community is, i guess, struggling with. We'd like to see everyone have a good time with the models they bought, built and painted but not everyone is as keen to have to game plan for them

So, where do you lie on the spectrum of "old fashioned 40k" to "My list is two warhounds and an Inquisitor"? How big is too big for you?

Anything bigger than AV 13, tougher than T7 or flying, and I get annoyed...even if I don't show it.

So even sub-par things like Land Raiders, Leman Russes, and Wraith Lords are something you can't deal with? You must play in a very small pond then.

 Nevelon wrote:
I like the concept that no one model should be more then a quarter of your points.

Agreed. Even Baneblades are very daunting opponents for my normal lists.

 Grimskul wrote:
[So even sub-par things like Land Raiders, Leman Russes, and Wraith Lords are something you can't deal with? You must play in a very small pond then.

1. I didn't say that I can't deal with them. I simply said that they annoy me and I don't like them.

2. I may have to take back my "higher than T7" comment. Shooting a wraithlord to bits with sternguard hellfire ammunition is pretty much the definition of a good time in Warhammer 40k for me.

PS:

And for the record, commenting derisively about what my army can and can't handle (and calling me a "scrub," either explicitly or implicitly) only makes me want to play you less.

I honestly prefer infantry based games to anything else. I like to see crowds of guys in huge melees, lines of guardsmen blasting away at an ork horde while they get chopped to pieces, marines and chaos slugging it out. My list is almost entirely infantry, and at anything less than 1500 I would never consider bringing even land raiders.

I feel like most games anymore it's not even worth it bringing basic troops, tacticals are garbage since all I'm up against is huge stuff that they can't even touch. I scurry around and take objectives while I get blown to pieces or stomped on, even when I win it just feels like it wasn't even a game. My opponent gets to play shooting gallery while I run in circles. My bikes do nothing but turbo boost, my deathwing knights are cannon fodder, and my tacticals just hide in fear of instant annihilation.

Winning a boring game that didn't have any actual combat in it isn't even worth playing, and it's why I left the hobby for a few months. Someone finally convinced me to get back in by starting some small infantry only tournaments.

 kingbobbito wrote:
I honestly prefer infantry based games to anything else. I like to see crowds of guys in huge melees, lines of guardsmen blasting away at an ork horde while they get chopped to pieces, marines and chaos slugging it out. My list is almost entirely infantry, and at anything less than 1500 I would never consider bringing even land raiders.

I feel like most games anymore it's not even worth it bringing basic troops, tacticals are garbage since all I'm up against is huge stuff that they can't even touch. I scurry around and take objectives while I get blown to pieces or stomped on, even when I win it just feels like it wasn't even a game. My opponent gets to play shooting gallery while I run in circles. My bikes do nothing but turbo boost, my deathwing knights are cannon fodder, and my tacticals just hide in fear of instant annihilation.

Winning a boring game that didn't have any actual combat in it isn't even worth playing, and it's why I left the hobby for a few months. Someone finally convinced me to get back in by starting some small infantry only tournaments.

This. I agree with every bit of this.

I didn't get into Warhammer 40k because I wanted to play as the Tokyo soldiers fighting Godzilla.

Well I sense I'm very much in the minority here but I love to face them whether it's a Baneblade or a Warlord titan, In fact I just had a game vs a new warhound and before that a supremacy suit... I'd appreciate a warning in advance but if my list can't handle a Superheavy or Gargantuan or even multiple units of them then I've done something wrong.

Warhound titan

Anything! Though if bigger than a knight/baneblade/wraithknight a little notice would be nice.

I don't care what the other player brings to the table, as long as there is a "gentleman's" agreement beforehand.