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7th Ed offers us the opportunity to bring anything at all to a game. Like all things in 40k, if taken to an extreme this can be way less fun for one of the two people playing (occasionally not fun for either person)

The local scene is happy to see FW on the table but there are a few people pushing for things like the Tau Supremacy Suit or Titans in games as low as 1,000 pts. It's something the community is, i guess, struggling with. We'd like to see everyone have a good time with the models they bought, built and painted but not everyone is as keen to have to game plan for them

So, where do you lie on the spectrum of "old fashioned 40k" to "My list is two warhounds and an Inquisitor"? How big is too big for you?

Anything on a base larger than the oval base that's not the Wraithknight.

It use to be "anything bigger than a 60mm that's not a vehicle" for me but GW decided to make the newer stuff bigger, so some monsters that are huge in terms of being a model are actually not that bad on the table top (I'd have no problem facing a Forge Fiend, Trygon or Dreadknight).

I don't mind facing the larger stuff if I know its coming. For instance I played a 5 IK lists but I knew it was coming and it was a battle of all walkers. I would not have been ok with that if it was a surprise.

I like the concept that no one model should be more then a quarter of your points.

I used to think the Land Raider ( or equivalent things like monoliths) should be the upper end of what’s OK to see in a normal game with no advance warning. These days I’m a little more generally forgiving, and am OK with a single low-end super heavy. Something like a baneblade or a imperial knight.

If you want multiples, or bigger things, I’d like some advance warning. But give me a head’s up, and anything is fair game.

Personally more of a puritan old 40k myself. My circle of friends who play have agreed no formations in games under 2k.
I hate seeing super heavies and GMC on the table especially in games under 1850. Had too many bad experiences of my sisters throwing 20+ s8 ap1 shots at my friends wraith knight for 3 straight turns.
No problem with MC or flyers, but only 2 at most.

Generally, the closer to oldy-k, the better for me

Keep the SHV/GC in Apoc where they belong.

Oh Apoc is being shovelled down our throats? Well, FW ruling on LoW then.

See, i don't understand the "shoved down our throats" logic. Yes, those units are part of the game now, but, since most games are casual, social affairs, you don't have to play against things you don't want to

I was just curious as to where people drew their line in the sand about Superheavies and GCs, since they're the "new" hotness

That's kinda why it's being shoved down our throats.

Back in 3rd and 4th edition, where GW actually gave half a crap about the hobby aspect, you generally wouldn't have to ask people to not use a general type of unit (imagine back then asking people not to use monstrous creatures or walkers). When a unit was so far out of left field like that, the rules themselves would tell you to clear it with the opponent (such as most special characters, or the "Zombie Bretonnian" army from the back of the Vampire Counts book).

Nowadays the rules are written purely to sell models. GW realized that when you leave sportsmanship at the curb, people will gladly pay to dick over their opponents, even if one side has the fun completely sucked out of it. The "talk it out" and "Forge the Narrative" is their saving throw, to push the blame on the player rather than be held responsible for poorly written rules.

Well, in our apoc games one player has a Thunderhawk. It gets destroyed always pretty fast.

In Apoc, i'd expect anything but if we're playing 1k and someone turned up with a Tau Supremacy suit, is that too much for you to bother with? What about a Knight? No one's really "afraid" of a single knight these days but at 1k? Does points value matter?

How much is too much? When?

Anything, although I might ask for a handicap if it's got a crazy invulnerable save and a 6+ statline for less than 600 points.

Depends who I'm playing. If a friend had just bought a warlord, obviously he'd want to use it, so I'd be happy to let them, provided it wasn't every game and and I had fair warning.

Against a first time opponent, anything that costs below £200 rrp I'd accept as a general rule of thumb (i.e no titans, mantas etc), as I would know that the person just wanted to beat me, rather than give me a good game.

Anything bigger than a grot requires clearance.

Actually, I don't really care. I'd love to face MORE super heavies, this is a side of the game I rarely see!

I'll take on all comers, granted there aren't many. I've fought Imperial Knights and found them fairly predictable.

Personally I won't play against SHV's/GMC's in general in games of 1500pts and under. It's just too small a game size, and typically what always happens is either;
a) I take out the super-sized unit before it can do much, and end up effortlessly cruising to victory as I'm now effectively fighting at a 300-400+pts advantage after removing a single enemy model.

b) More often than not, I can't deal with the SHV/GMC, which then proceeds to effortlessly smash it's way throw my army and the I'm tabled within a couple turns due to the huge amount of death these things can dish out per turn.

It's just not a fun game any way you slice it... One way or another, it's going to be an automatic landside for one army over the other. I'd much rather play a closely fought battle where both of us are trading units each turn, even if I still end up tabled in the end.
the best games I've ever played were the ones where by game's end, you can count the number of remaining models from both sides combined, using just your fingers!

In larger game of 1700-1850, I enjoy the "LoW/SHV's/GMC's cannot be more than 25% of your total pts". It allows for typically one big, cool centerpiece model, but still keeps it decently balanced imho, as losing out 300-350pts in one shot isn't an instant 'game over' like it is in smaller games.

At 2k and onwards, it seems to be accepted that 'anything goes', though I still won't play against an army of pure Imperial Knights for example... As a Chaos player (primarily Tzeentch Daemons), I just don't have the tools to deal with an entire army of super heavies.
Overall I much prefer to play against other vehicle lite armies in general, but that's also in part because my dice have always been completely rotten when trying to kill armour! (as in, if I actually do roll a '6' on the pen chart, it's a 'once a year' event!)

Experiment 626 wrote:


In larger game of 1700-1850, I enjoy the "LoW/SHV's/GMC's cannot be more than 25% of your total pts". It allows for typically one big, cool centerpiece model, but still keeps it decently balanced imho, as losing out 300-350pts in one shot isn't an instant 'game over' like it is in smaller games.

That pretty much sums up how I feel. Super heavies are a great way to speed up the pace of the game and make nice centerpieces, but using one in small games or several in large games often reduces the game to; does the other side have the weapons to kill the SH's or GC's fairly quickly and win easily or don't they, where they will lose easily in turn.

1/3 of the army can be big and it's cool with me. I'm not going to bring a 2k list that can't deal with a baneblade, or 2 IK/WKs.

It seems to me GCs and SHVs are only a problem in a tournament scene. Even at low pots levels, a single Reaver Titan vs 1250pts of another army is fine IMO. A small task force runs into an enemy titan and must fight or die? Fluffy as feth. Its great.

So far, the largest model ive played against is a Deff Dread, and im totally fine with them permitting i have a force that can efficiently take care of them

I'll play against whatever, but prefer if I'm at least informed that I'll be dealing with GMCs/SHVs.

The people I play 40K with we have a general rule. You can bring 1 cheese unit and thats it. No formations, no super heavies, no bs, it's for fun.

If you ain't at a tournament, I don't see the point of being a dill weed just to win.

Im fine with anything on the other end. As long as Im allowed to bring something just as big OR have enough points on my side to deal with it.

Formations don't bother me much since not allowing them prevents any Ad Mech or Harlies from showing up.

As for what Size of things I want to see on the table ?

If it's a vehicle bigger than a Land Raider or more Monstrous than a Carnifaux it has no place in a standard game.

my group usually just end up hovering around the 'expect at least mild cheese' point

Pickup games between us frequently run full decurions, double demis, twin wraithknight & scatpack, Ravenwing, TWC wall etc. the exception to this is a Revenant Titan which only ever hits the field when it is asked for.

we usually just tend to pre-check things if there's multiple FW models in one army.

 IHateNids wrote:
my group usually just end up hovering around the 'expect at least mild cheese' point

Pickup games between us frequently run full decurions, double demis, twin wraithknight & scatpack, Ravenwing, TWC wall etc. the exception to this is a Revenant Titan which only ever hits the field when it is asked for.

we usually just tend to pre-check things if there's multiple FW models in one army.

I wish I could play with you guys. My players here are super casual. :(

 Gamgee wrote:

 IHateNids wrote:
my group usually just end up hovering around the 'expect at least mild cheese' point

Pickup games between us frequently run full decurions, double demis, twin wraithknight & scatpack, Ravenwing, TWC wall etc. the exception to this is a Revenant Titan which only ever hits the field when it is asked for.

we usually just tend to pre-check things if there's multiple FW models in one army.

I wish I could play with you guys. My players here are super casual. :(

Alas that is not a pain I am familiar with.

Picked up necrons with their 4th ed book, suddenly became OP with their 5.5 dex. Picked up space marines to go mobility instead of firepower in early 6th, suddenly they also became OP in 7th.

One of our guys runs a youtube channel if you're interested in scoping out the standard if you wanted to make a sales pitch to your mates

Biggest thing I've seen so far is a Warhound. was in apoc

Was taken down T1 by teleporting necron warriors XD
The original plan was for them to strip the void shields and a hull or two if lucky and then my railheads will bombard it, but rolls were crazy.

it really depends on the person you're playing against and what you're trying to get out of the game. If you're playing a casual game with a structured scenario based around some sort of titan-class superheavy, it may make for a fun an exciting game. If you're playing a 1000pts TAC list and someone brings a Warhound titan with supporting Psykers for invisiblity, you're probably going to have a bad time.

No model is >25% of your points seems like a pretty nice way of keeping things under control. I also always like to check with my opponents prior to a game that they're happy playing against any list that involves a Riptide / Knight etc, and then offering to use a different list if they don't want to.

I'm okay with playing against an Emperor Titan. I mean come on, like it'll last past turn 2!

SJ

I'll personally play against anything.

Things like superheavies are big enough to spot before you even approach for a game. So it's easy enough for me to make an adjustment for them and I'm always prepared with equal or bigger guns for the battlefield. Thus far I have had a lot of fun and rarely end up in an "I won't play you" situation with another player. Aside from catching someone intentionally trying to cheat, Its a fun game ain't no need for that gak.