What do Pink Horros get for psychic powers?

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**Abadabadoobaddon**

Galef wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
1. The Psyker generates all his powers from the same discipline.
2. All the powers the Psyker generates are from the same discipline.

Some people think Psychic Focus requires 1. Others think it requires 2. Some people don't see any difference between 1 and 2. Your interpretation will depend on what kind of person you are.

I would amend 1 & 2 to the following for clarity:

1. The Psyker generates all his "rollable" powers from the same discipline.
2. All the powers the Psyker "knows" have been generated "and" are from the same discipline.

Ok, so your amendment actually reverses the meanings of the two original statements from my post. If you want more clarity I would go with:

1. The Psyker generates all his powers and all from the same discipline.
2. All the powers that the Psyker generates are from the same discipline.

**Galef**

Yeah, that make more sense. The basic jist is that the BRB wants to give Psykers 1, just ONE, extra power for sticking to a discipline.

Chaos Focus gives a free power regardless but it has to be their gods power. Advantage that is a free power, possible disadvantage because it may be a power you don't care for. If you also got Psychic focus on top, Chaos Psykers would have nothing but advantages, which is not the intent.

**DeathReaper**

lessthanjeff wrote:
I personally do not see where it is stated that the powers you start with don't count as generated ones. I'm sure it is clear to you that GW wanted pink horrors to go from 1 power in 6th edition to 3 powers in 7th, but it does not seem clear to me and it's not the way I play mine. To me, the rules seems to be designed to give chaos and daemon psykers the same new benefit all other psykers got in 7th, an ability to get one more free power.

I usually compare situations like this to a football game between rival teams. One side will swear there was a foul on the play while the other side swears it was a perfectly legal move. Their perceptions are biased by what they want to happen. In this case though, I am a daemons players and I just don't see that interpretation in the rules.

There are two ways to generate a power as per the BRB

To generate a power "Psykers generate their psychic powers before the game begins...In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated. These Psykers always start the game with those psychic powers. Otherwise, a Psyker generates random psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him." (The Psychic Phase chapter, Generating Psychic Powers section).

Granted powers, like the one from Chaos Psychic Focus, are not generated since there are only two ways to generate a power according to the BRB.

**jokerkd**

I always thought it to be as simple as;

If FF counts as being generated, then it doesn't fulfil the requirement to generate all of your powers from the same discipline (assuming you rolled on another discipline)

I it doesn't count as generated, then it doesn't fulfil the requirement to generate all of your powers from the same discipline

**DeathReaper**

jokerkd wrote:

I it doesn't count as generated, then it doesn't fulfil the requirement to generate all of your powers from the same discipline

Except In context they are talking about powers you generate, so that has no bearing on the discussion.

**lessthanjeff**

DeathReaper wrote:

There are two ways to generate a power as per the BRB

To generate a power "Psykers generate their psychic powers before the game begins...In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated. These Psykers always start the game with those psychic powers. Otherwise, a Psyker generates random psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him." (The Psychic Phase chapter, Generating Psychic Powers section).

Granted powers, like the one from Chaos Psychic Focus, are not generated since there are only two ways to generate a power according to the BRB.

That's what I'm not getting out of your argument though. I see the passage you are quoting but I do not see the words "there are only 2 ways to generate powers" or a quote to the effect of "if a psyker starts with a power, it does not count as being generated."

**DeathReaper**

lessthanjeff wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:

There are two ways to generate a power as per the BRB

To generate a power "Psykers generate their psychic powers before the game begins...In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated. These Psykers always start the game with those psychic powers. Otherwise, a Psyker generates random psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him." (The Psychic Phase chapter, Generating Psychic Powers section).

Granted powers, like the one from Chaos Psychic Focus, are not generated since there are only two ways to generate a power according to the BRB.

That's what I'm not getting out of your argument though. I see the passage you are quoting but I do not see the words "there are only 2 ways to generate powers" or a quote to the effect of "if a psyker starts with a power, it does not count as being generated."

There are two ways to generate a power as per the BRB

To generate a power "Psykers generate their psychic powers before the game begins...In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated. These Psykers always start the game with those psychic powers. Otherwise, a Psyker generates random psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him." (The Psychic Phase chapter, Generating Psychic Powers section).

Those are the only ways listed to generate powers.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

DeathReaper wrote:
jokerkd wrote:

I it doesn't count as generated, then it doesn't fulfil the requirement to generate all of your powers from the same discipline

Except In context they are talking about powers you generate, so that has no bearing on the discussion.

In your opinion. I've yet to see you provide any evidence in support of this claim.

**Vlad_The_Obliterator**

I don't know if this is relevant or not, but if we are going with the idea that the auto-given power from Chaos Focus is considered generated for the purpose of psychic focus, thatn does that mean a marked Sorcerer from CSM who has to generate at least one power from their gods discipline counts their chaos focus as that one power, allowing them to generate more from other disciplines?

**DeathReaper**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
jokerkd wrote:

I it doesn't count as generated, then it doesn't fulfil the requirement to generate all of your powers from the same discipline

Except In context they are talking about powers you generate, so that has no bearing on the discussion.

In your opinion. I've yet to see you provide any evidence in support of this claim.

If you do not ignore the context, you will see it.

Vlad_The_Obliterator wrote:
I don't know if this is relevant or not, but if we are going with the idea that the auto-given power from Chaos Focus is considered generated for the purpose of psychic focus, thatn does that mean a marked Sorcerer from CSM who has to generate at least one power from their gods discipline counts their chaos focus as that one power, allowing them to generate more from other disciplines?

We are not going with the idea that the auto-given power from Chaos Focus is considered generated, because the rules tell you how to generate powers, and gaining a power through Chaos Focus is not generating a power.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

DeathReaper wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
jokerkd wrote:

I it doesn't count as generated, then it doesn't fulfil the requirement to generate all of your powers from the same discipline

Except In context they are talking about powers you generate, so that has no bearing on the discussion.

In your opinion. I've yet to see you provide any evidence in support of this claim.

If you do not ignore the context, you will see it.

Sorry, that's not evidence. Try again please.

**lessthanjeff**

DeathReaper wrote:

There are two ways to generate a power as per the BRB

To generate a power "Psykers generate their psychic powers before the game begins...In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated. These Psykers always start the game with those psychic powers. Otherwise, a Psyker generates random psychic powers from amongst the psychic disciplines known to him." (The Psychic Phase chapter, Generating Psychic Powers section).

Those are the only ways listed to generate powers.

So you quoted the exact same text that has neither of the lines you're claiming are there? Again, there is not a single line there that says "there are only two ways to generate a psychic power" nor is there a line that says "powers you start with are not counted as being generated".

**DeathReaper**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
jokerkd wrote:

I it doesn't count as generated, then it doesn't fulfil the requirement to generate all of your powers from the same discipline

Except In context they are talking about powers you generate, so that has no bearing on the discussion.

In your opinion. I've yet to see you provide any evidence in support of this claim.

If you do not ignore the context, you will see it.

Sorry, that's not evidence. Try again please.

I do not need to, because you are ignoring the context.

lessthanjeff wrote:
So you quoted the exact same text that has neither of the lines you're claiming are there? Again, there is not a single line there that says "there are only two ways to generate a psychic power" nor is there a line that says "powers you start with are not counted as being generated".

They tell you how to generate Psychic powers, then list the two ways you can generate Psychic powers.

Have you found any other rules about how to generate Psychic powers? because I only found those two rules.

So until you can find another way the Rules tell you to generate psychic powers, then it is only those two ways.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

DeathReaper wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
jokerkd wrote:

I it doesn't count as generated, then it doesn't fulfil the requirement to generate all of your powers from the same discipline

Except In context they are talking about powers you generate, so that has no bearing on the discussion.

In your opinion. I've yet to see you provide any evidence in support of this claim.

If you do not ignore the context, you will see it.

Sorry, that's not evidence. Try again please.

I do not need to, because you are ignoring the context.

What context? Please elaborate.

**DeathReaper**

The rule is only talking about generated powers.

That is the context you ignore.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

DeathReaper wrote:
The rule is only talking about generated powers.

That is the context you ignore.

How do you know the rule is only talking about generated powers? Please elaborate.

**DeathReaper**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
The rule is only talking about generated powers.

That is the context you ignore.

How do you know the rule is only talking about generated powers? Please elaborate.

Because the way the rule is written.

"If a Psyker generates all of his powers from the same psychic discipline (even if he can only generate one power), that Psyker is said to have Psychic Focus, and gains that discipline’s primaris power in addition to his other powers." (The Psychic Phase chapter, Psychic Focus section).

This rule is talking about generated powers.

That is the context you have ignored.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

DeathReaper wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
DeathReaper wrote:
The rule is only talking about generated powers.

That is the context you ignore.

How do you know the rule is only talking about generated powers? Please elaborate.

Because the way the rule is written.

"If a Psyker generates all of his powers from the same psychic discipline (even if he can only generate one power), that Psyker is said to have Psychic Focus, and gains that discipline’s primaris power in addition to his other powers." (The Psychic Phase chapter, Psychic Focus section).

This rule is talking about generated powers.

That is the context you have ignored.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
1. The Psyker generates all his powers from the same discipline.
2. All the powers the Psyker generates are from the same discipline.

Some people think Psychic Focus requires 1. Others think it requires 2. Some people don't see any difference between 1 and 2. Your interpretation will depend on what kind of person you are.

**lessthanjeff**

Your argument appears to be that the powers generated by psychic focus do not count as "generated" powers for the psyker. By that logic, the line "In some Army List Entries, a Psyker will have one or more specific psychic powers listed – where this is the case, it will be clearly stated." does not specify that those powers count as "generated" any more than the ones generated by psychic focus either.