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I like your ideas better, SRSFACE. Dark Angels could include one or their special Ravenwing Speeders, I guess.

The reason I didn't include Sisters is because they have no plastics.

ThatGuyFromThatPlace wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
When the orks got "updated" (decurion with 1800 point minimum and NO double detachment benefit like every other decurion, strongest formation the army had removed)

That is why I asked if we could turn ours back in for a new codex written by someone who knew what they are doing.

You didn't get a "new Codex". You got a book with a detachment.

There was NOTHING done to Codex: Orks. It was just the Waagh! Ghazghkull supplement that got updated.

 SRSFACE wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:


Dark Angels (SM Commander, Tactical Squad with Dark Angels Upgrade Kit, Ravenwing Bike Squad)
Blood Angels (Blood Angels Jump Pack Chaplain, Blood Angels Tactical Squad, Death Company)
Grey Knights (SM Terminator Librarian, Grey Knights Terminators, Grey Knights Strike Squad)
Dark Eldar (Archon, Kalabite Warriors, Reavers)
Eldar (Windrider Seer, Wind Riders, Dire Avengers)
Chaos (Aspiring Champion, Chaos Space Marines, Raptors)

My issue is there's not much money saving in a lot of what you're saying, and that's kind of the point of the Start Collecting! boxes. They are extraordinarily good deals, especially for GW. I mean the Undead AOS box straight up has an $80 model in it, and two more squads that MSRP at like $55 bucks together, for $85 bucks.

The point of the "Start Collecting" boxes is to give you a collection of models tied to a formation and to give a new player a way to immediately jump in when they've made the standard "starter purchases"(glue, clippers, paints, books for 40k).

The BEST box is the Seraphon box. $85 for a Carnosaur($85), Saurus Knights($35), Saurus Warriors ($38) where you basically are getting everything else for free. They're all pretty good deals though.

Your Chaos one there saves all of $9 bucks over individual retail, so it's just not worth it as a value box.

Typically, there's something large in the boxes like a tank or a Walker. The smallest "large" models in any start collecting box is the Thunderwolf Cavalry for the Space Wolves. Also every single one of them has an HQ unit, so you can use the box as it's own stand alone starter force.

Unless the Guard one requires you to field the Commissar as a Commissar Lord, that's not true.

The components in the boxes are:
Character(Independent or not)
Infantry
MC or Vehicle

The goal is to make sure that someone has a way to be introduced to the various aspects of the game with the 40k boxes.

So with that in mind, here's what I'd say for starter boxes:
Dark Angels: I just don't see a way to get one that's substantially different than the current Space Marines box without making it such a ludicrously good deal GW would never go for it. Best I came up with is essentially a reboxing of the Reclusiam Command Squad box which is already just $90 bucks. Ideally, I'd love a Land Raider and a box of Terminators and some random HQ, but I think that's too much of a pipe dream.

If you're going to see a Dark Angels one, it's not going to be dedicated to one --Wing or the other.

If I had to guess, a Dark Angels one would have the following:
Librarian in Terminator Armor
Deathwing Terminator box
Land Speeder

Formation would be Librarian in TDA, Deathwing Knights or a Deathwing Terminator Squad, and Land Speeder. Land Speeder has a special rule allowing for precision Deep Strike not just on top of the Land Speeder, but within its LOS. Terminators get to Run and Fire on the turn they arrive if it's a normal Terminator Squad, Shrouded until the next turn if Knights as the Formation bonus.

Blood Angels: I like the jump pack chaplain and Death Company. That'd fit. Make the last thing a Baal Predator and we're good.

It wouldn't be a Baal Predator. The only army which got an actual Tank was the Guard, because tanks are kinda their thing.

Jump Pack Chaplain OR BA Terminator Librarian(a model which has, from my understanding, not been selling well at all), Death Company OR Sanguinary Guard, and a Dreadnought.
Formation would probably be something silly for Deep Strike.

Grey Knights: This is easy. Librarian, a Strike Squad, and a Nemesis Dreadknight.

They wouldn't get one, as they have no plastic HQ choice specific to them.

Dark Eldar: Voidraven Bomber, Hellions and an Archon. I think it'd sell really well because like the Undead one, it's got an $80 model in an $85 box set, and GW is likely to go for it because GW'd love to dump their backstock of Hellions.

You're not going to see a Flyer in an "intro" box--and Hellions likely aren't going in either, as they go in/out of stock quite frequently.

Dark Eldar would be:
Archon or Succubus or Haemonculus
Kabalite Warriors or Wych Elves or Wracks(depending on which character they add)
A pair of Venoms

Formation would be something like Warriors getting additional shots when mounted on the Venoms, Wych Elves being able to strike and return back ala the Harlequin formation and Wracks would probably get something like bonus to their poisoned attacks.

Eldar: Trade the Dire Avengers for a Fire Prism and you're there.

Autarch, Dire Avengers, and Night Spinner.

Notice that none of these boxes has really been able to be done as anything beyond a portion of an existing formation.

Chaos: Some theoretical new plastic Sorcerer model, some theoretical new stand-alone Thousand Sons kit, and a Rhino. A MAN CAN DREAM.

He's actually likely spot on for what a CSM one would be--although I think it more likely we'll see a KDK box first.

Blood Angels "Start Collecting" box:

Sanguinary Priest, Tactical Squad (10 man box), Furioso Dreadnought, Death Company (5 man box).

Give them a formation that allows the Death Company to have +1 feel no pain and +1 WS rule if they're within 6" of the Sanguinary Priest.

Just my opinion on that. Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Blood Angels: Jump Pack Chaplain, Tactical Squad and Death Company

Dark Angels: Interrogator Chaplain/Generic HQ, Tactical Squad with DA upgradepack and Deathwing Terminators/Bikers

KDK: Herald of Khorne, Bezerkers, Juggernauts

 Matthew wrote:
Blood Angels: Jump Pack Chaplain, Tactical Squad and Death Company

Dark Angels: Interrogator Chaplain/Generic HQ, Tactical Squad with DA upgradepack and Deathwing Terminators/Bikers

KDK: Herald of Khorne, Bezerkers, Juggernauts

BA one is lacklustre, could do with a big thing in it,

Also I think you are forgetting there's already a Daemons of Khorne Start Collecting box. I doubt they'd do a separate one just for KDK.

 WarbossDakka wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
Blood Angels: Jump Pack Chaplain, Tactical Squad and Death Company

Dark Angels: Interrogator Chaplain/Generic HQ, Tactical Squad with DA upgradepack and Deathwing Terminators/Bikers

KDK: Herald of Khorne, Bezerkers, Juggernauts

BA one is lacklustre, could do with a big thing in it,

Also I think you are forgetting there's already a Daemons of Khorne Start Collecting box. I doubt they'd do a separate one just for KDK.

Yeah...he did kind of a bad job with KDK.

Likely it would be:
Helbrute, Berzerkers or CSM, Aspiring Champion.

Start collecting Scions

Command Squad, scion squad, Taurox
(but a valkyrie would be way cooler)

I imagine that the csm one will be jump pack lord, warp talons and defiler, because honestly, how many warp talons or defiler kits do you think they have sold since 2012 when the dex got released?

Besides, it wouldn't be csm unless it was overcosted junk, why break with tradition now?

 Drasius wrote:
I imagine that the csm one will be jump pack lord, warp talons and defiler, because honestly, how many warp talons or defiler kits do you think they have sold since 2012 when the dex got released?

Besides, it wouldn't be csm unless it was overcosted junk, why break with tradition now?

Can't use the Jump Pack Lord as he's a Finecrap model... Only plastic 'character' options we have available to us is either Termie Lord/Sorcerer box, or the clamshell Aspiring Champion.

Personally, if I'm going by what the pessimist in me thinks, I'd say CSM's would likely be;
Aspiring Champion + 8 Khorne Berserkers + Defiler
No HQ at all. A dedicated assault unit with no delivery system & comes with 4 Plasma pistols (of which it can only take up to 2!) + 4 Chainaxes (meaning the other half of your unit misses out!), and the game's most overcosted & dysfunctional Walker.

It's formation bonus would be that all models gain the Fear special rule!



The optimist in me hopes that CSM's don't get any kind of Start Collecting! box unit it can either be filled up with amazing new plastic Thousand Sons and a Fiend kit + character model!

Or else just waits until the middle of next year when CSM's are rumored to potentially get a complete & total overhaul of our everything.

CSM will get: 1 Chaos Space Marines Terminator Lord, 8 Khorne Berzerkers, 1 Chaos Rhino

Hungry for Skulls: On the turn they disembark from the Rhino, the Khorne Berzerkers may reroll the dice when determining charge distance as long as they are within 12" of the Chaos Lord.

Nothing in the rules will actually grant them the ability to charge on the turn they disembark though.

So here is how my predictions have fared so far.

Chaos Space Marines: Aspiring Champion(Wrong - Terminator Chaos Lord), Chaos Space Marines (Correct), Raptors (Wrong - Helbrute)
Militarum Tempestuous: Wrong on all accounts because I never made a prediction.
Eldar: Jetbike Farseer (Correct), Windrider Jetbikes(Correct), Dire Avengers (Incorrect)
Dark Eldar: Archon (Correct), Kabalite Warriors (Correct), Reavers (Correct), nothing more (Incorrect - Raider)
Blood Angels: Jump Pack Chaplain (Incorrect - Captain Karlaen), Blood Angels Tactical Squad (Correct), Death Company (Incorrect - Baal Predator)

Overall, I wasn't that far off besides with Chaos. I am surprised that I was completely right with the Dark Eldar, but they threw a Raider in on top of it. I am really disappointed in the Blood Angels set for including Captain Karlaen. I would have taken just about every other BA Clampack character over him. I might be able to convert him into a nice Terminator Sergeant, but I am thinking I will probably just throw him on eBay. Roughly $70 (eBay prices) for a Baal Predator and a Tactical Squad is pretty good (I am combining the BA Tactical Squad with a C:SM Tactical Squad and the Upgrade kit to yield two Tactical Squad).

Dark Angels: Interrogator-Chaplain (Only DA-Specific plastic character model. If the Space Marine Commander Kit was still available for purchase outside of GS:SW), Tactical Squad, DA a Chapter Upgrade Sprue & a Darkshround Landspeeder.

Explanation: Seems more likely for the GSA box to contain a DA-specific character model than a generic SM one. Plus the 7th Ed version of Dark Venegeance removed the 'LE' Interrogator-Chaplain model from the box set. Tactical Squad + Chapter Upgrade Sprue is because the DAs are the only non-vanilla SM army to not have their own unique troops choice, and scouts seems unlikely. Darkshroud was selecting as the 'selling point' model as it isn't included in the 3 DA-related boxsets, unlike every other of their unique non-character units.

Harlequins: Shadowseer, Harlequin Troupe & Voidweaver.

Explanation: The Deathjester doesn't synergise as well with the Harlequin Troupe as a Shadowseer does and I doubt the Solataire (a Unique model rules-wise) would be included in a SC boxset. Since the Troupe +Shadowseer exceeds the transport capacity for the Starwever, I'd have to guess the Voidweaver would be the 'ticket item'. It could just as easily be the Skyweaver Jetbikes set.

Grey Knights: Terminator Librarian, Strike Squad (5 man) & a Dreadknight.

Explanation: This one was a bit harder given that the main centrepiece unit in the army (Dreadknight) is alone more than half the price of the GS boxsets, and it + the 5-man box is already over the pricepoint by $5AUS. No matter what the character has to be the Terminator Librarian (they have no other plastic characters).

Initially I though a Termi squad & a VenDread with the Termi Librarian, but that seems too similar to the GS:SM boxset (even if it's GK specific).

Khorne Daemonkin: Plastic Daemon Prince (side note, for the life of me I can't find this in the store without using the search bar. It seems GW failed to put it on the Daemonkin section and maybe even the CSM and CD sections. If it is in those last two then it isn't filtered as an MC or Character as it should be), Bloodletters of Khorne & Possessed or Warptalons.

Explanation: I figure the Daemon Prince is more fitting as a plastic character for Daemonkin, plus it's a good centrepiece model for the boxset without being overly expensive like every other one (bar the chariots and helbrute). Of the troop choices, Bloodletters look the best as they're a newer kit and not single pose like the cultist 5-pack. Possessed or Warp Talons because really both are bad and GW would want to try and increase they're sales. I'm more inclined to say Possessed because the Raptor/Warptalon kit at least gets bought for the cool weapons the Raptors have.

Khornekin probably will never get a SC! box... The entire codex was just a 'rushed-in-a-weekend' excuse to have 'hardcopy' rules for the new Bloodthirster.

More likely, GW's opinion will be that if you want to start Khornekin, then you can just buy both a CSM & Daemons of Khorne box sets and go from there.
Plus, the codex itself has covered the formation potential pretty damn well, and none of them are really hurting under obnoxiously large 'tax units' either! (worst you have to deal with is being forced to take a single unit of Possessed for the main formation, or else Warptalons for the Bloodstorm formation)

DA: Interrogator Chaplain, Deathwing Terminstors, Landspeeder Vengeance

GK: Terminator Librarian, Terminators, Dreadknight

Harlequins: Solitaire, Harlequin Troupe, Starweaver

If KDK get one: Daemon Prince, Khorne Berserkers, Chaos Terminators

 Crazyterran wrote:
DA: Interrogator Chaplain, Deathwing Terminstors, Landspeeder Vengeance

GK: Terminator Librarian, Terminators, Dreadknight

Harlequins: Solitaire, Harlequin Troupe, Starweaver

If KDK get one: Daemon Prince, Khorne Berserkers, Chaos Terminators

I could get on board with these. I hope the DA one is all Deathwing though.

 Crazyterran wrote:

Harlequins: Solitaire, Harlequin Troupe, Starweaver

Nah, a Solitaire would be terrible for a GS box. A Shadowseer would be much better, what with the Solitaire being a unique guy, and unable to give any buffs or anything. Maybe a Deathjester, but most likely a seer