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Well damn..
The upcoming Rum and Bones sequel already had my wallet hiding behind my leg like a scared dog.. This is just too much.

First. I haven't played Zombicide Black Plague yet since I'm still waiting on my GD English rulebook. The miniatures are insanely good. I primed up two of the figures for DnD and they took the primer and paint like a CHAMP. After the primer was on they are sitting next to the other models from Reaper etc and you'd never know they came out of a board game. The same can be said for B-Sieged.

Second. With my unfamiliarity towards Zombicide from not having that MF rulebook (I'm salty..sorry) I am making an assumption but wouldn't the horde type of mechanic from Zombicide work for an invading horde of greenskins? Again, I'm not certain I am making an assumption about potential similarities.

Third, if this isn't that and is more along the lines of Descent (which would totally fit the CMoN sales strategy), I think I'm in. I don't think we'd see as many models that way vs a re-skin of Zombicide's mechanics though. I would anticipate in that scenario seeing more unique sculpts in batches of 3-5 per..

I really like the art style though. It has a bit of Blizzards' Warcraft visual look.. maybe more pre-WoW though.

Another notion, is if CMoN starts to leverage their Fantasy IPs, they might have enough to start rounding it out into a full on war game. The idea of crossovers is not new to CMoN though, they are always releasing content for this character or that character in R&B or Black Plague or whatever else. Arg.. this is exciting news even though I still want to be mad at CMoN about that book..

 cincydooley wrote:
I can talk about Bloodborne. Who wants to know about Bloodborne? ;-D

Yes please! Insane fan of Dark Souls and From here... maybe it has its own thread?

You mean the hollowed-out husk of a Souls game with most of the diversity and story stripped out, with a ravening horde of mindless fans who loudly denounce the Souls series in its favour? Tsk tsk.

 Mymearan wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I can talk about Bloodborne. Who wants to know about Bloodborne? ;-D

Yes please! Insane fan of Dark Souls and From here... maybe it has its own thread?

Don't get too excited... its a card-game, not a miniatures game. That said, the game its based on is incredible, and Eric Lang knows how to design competent, if derivative, games.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I can talk about Bloodborne. Who wants to know about Bloodborne? ;-D

Yes please! Insane fan of Dark Souls and From here... maybe it has its own thread?

Don't get too excited... its a card-game, not a miniatures game. That said, the game its based on is incredible, and Eric Lang knows how to design competent, if derivative, games.

Awwwwwww ;(

 MLaw wrote:
Well damn..
The upcoming Rum and Bones sequel already had my wallet hiding behind my leg like a scared dog.. This is just too much.

First. I haven't played Zombicide Black Plague yet since I'm still waiting on my GD English rulebook. The miniatures are insanely good. I primed up two of the figures for DnD and they took the primer and paint like a CHAMP. After the primer was on they are sitting next to the other models from Reaper etc and you'd never know they came out of a board game. The same can be said for B-Sieged.

Second. With my unfamiliarity towards Zombicide from not having that MF rulebook (I'm salty..sorry) I am making an assumption but wouldn't the horde type of mechanic from Zombicide work for an invading horde of greenskins? Again, I'm not certain I am making an assumption about potential similarities.

Third, if this isn't that and is more along the lines of Descent (which would totally fit the CMoN sales strategy), I think I'm in. I don't think we'd see as many models that way vs a re-skin of Zombicide's mechanics though. I would anticipate in that scenario seeing more unique sculpts in batches of 3-5 per..

I really like the art style though. It has a bit of Blizzards' Warcraft visual look.. maybe more pre-WoW though.

Another notion, is if CMoN starts to leverage their Fantasy IPs, they might have enough to start rounding it out into a full on war game. The idea of crossovers is not new to CMoN though, they are always releasing content for this character or that character in R&B or Black Plague or whatever else. Arg.. this is exciting news even though I still want to be mad at CMoN about that book..

1. The minis are perfect for my poor painting skills, and I like the almost cartoony styling.
2. A reskin is perfectly fine, I've considered doing a space hulk version of it with genestealers being zombies, Broodlords being fatties, Genestealers with adrenal glands being runners and Broodlords with carapace armor being the Abominations. Hardest part is to reconfigure the weapons for the 40K versions. Could easily just do orcs(Zombies), savage orcs (runners), trolls (fatties) and giants (abom).
3. I don't see multiple 3-5 model sets happening. I see them doing a Orc tide as 1 season, beast tide as a second season, kobold tide as a third season, gnomes as a fourth and so on. CMoN like their expansions.

I would love to see their wargame version. Like I said earlier though, if they do walk of the dead type boxes I think they'll out Mantic Mantic

I haven't ended up getting of the CMON big box games yet, as the themes just didn't quite hit me - I'm not really a zombie fan (SACRILEGE ) and loved the look of B-sieged but wasn't sure about the game mechanics. A dungeon crawler with fantasy models would be something that I would be really interested in, though!

 Theophony wrote:

3. I don't see multiple 3-5 model sets happening. I see them doing a Orc tide as 1 season, beast tide as a second season, kobold tide as a third season, gnomes as a fourth and so on. CMoN like their expansions.

I was thinking of The Others as their model for the smaller batches of 3-5.

So.... "Heroic Quest" incoming?
Would be sad if it is a Hero Quest style dungeon crawl and comes out before Hero Quest 25th KS does.

And what is this about a Rum and Bones follow-up KS?

 silent25 wrote:
So.... "Heroic Quest" incoming?
Would be sad if it is a Hero Quest style dungeon crawl and comes out before Hero Quest 25th KS does.

And what is this about a Rum and Bones follow-up KS?

Exactly that - there's a Rum and Bones 2 KS launching soon.

But that's not what this teaser picture is for!

If it is a dungeon crawler and I can use my Black Plague minis and zombies... Yesssssssssss!!!

Project Sunrise in June, mayhaps?

 Alpharius wrote:

 silent25 wrote:
So.... "Heroic Quest" incoming?
Would be sad if it is a Hero Quest style dungeon crawl and comes out before Hero Quest 25th KS does.

And what is this about a Rum and Bones follow-up KS?

Exactly that - there's a Rum and Bones 2 KS launching soon.

But that's not what this teaser picture is for!

I wonder if the R&B2 KS will have zombicide cards for the characters? I bought B-Seiged and we're using those characters in Zombicide but haven't even looked at the rest of B-S yet.

So there's now an actual website for this game now.

http://www.massivedarkness.com/

And it seems like it's going to be its own thing. And a Kickstarter. Which means piles of free gak.

Which is great, because if CMON play their cards right, could break all their previous records- both in terms of free junk getting given out, money made, add ons available...everything.

Maybe it's time we all start cozying up to our own Cincy Dooley and seeing if we can loosen his tongue a bit?

Oof -- let's hope that, unlike MadderDicer (whatever), that MassiveDarkstarter isn't just part of a shared universe, but has the same game designers behind it!

EDIT: Guessing so since it's GG, not just CMON...

I just hope we get the rest of our Black Plague stuff before they start this new KS campaign.

Almost glad it's not Zombicide. Funds are spoken for for the foreseeable future . Though I had a fleeting thought this could also be similar to Talisman.

lol @ the thread title change.

Hope this is more of a dungeon-crawl rather than a Talisman-type game - has there actually been any info released yet? Has anyone got any blackmail leverage on Cincy to make him spill the beans?

 Azazelx wrote:
I just hope we get the rest of our Black Plague stuff before they start this new KS campaign.

They've been pretty good with that one so far, was shocked that the main game arrived with me before Xmas actually!

- Bloodborne is for 3-6. Think press your luck, screw your buddies for kills and glory. Plays in under 40 mins. Incredibly fun. Card game.....so far. ;-)

- Would people like to see crossover dashboards for R&B pirates for Black Plague? Sounds like something that could happen....

- Eduard Guiton is the principle artist for both Zombicide and Massive Darkness, and was also the principle for Wrath of Kings.

- Massive Darkness is a fantasy game. :-)

 cincydooley wrote:


- Massive Darkness is a fantasy game. :-)

That barely qualifies as 'helpful'!

C'MON Cincy - tell us more!

(See what I did there?!? )

 Alpharius wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:


- Massive Darkness is a fantasy game. :-)

That barely qualifies as 'helpful'!

C'MON Cincy - tell us more!

(See what I did there?!? )

Yes, the lack of Lasers and robots kind of gave that away. . No cars and machine guns knocked contemporary game out and addition of orcs, minotaurs kind of gave the historical accounts a swift kick to the jimmy.

Is it a solid board game, a hybrid board game or a free for all tabletop mass battle?

Any word on what kind of rules/ player amount? Co-op? One against everyone else?

Or base pledge level $$$

The only thing we know is that picture and it's going to be a KS. Nothing else, not game type or anything

I wonder why they chose the name "Massive Darkness"?

Enigma Miniatures 32mm line is called Massive Darkness, which CMON must be aware of.

I wonder if Enigmas sculpts will be used, a bit like how the Ron & Bones sculpts were used for Rum & Bones?

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I wonder why they chose the name "Massive Darkness"?

Enigma Miniatures 32mm line is called Massive Darkness, which CMON must be aware of.

I wonder if Enigmas sculpts will be used, a bit like how the Ron & Bones sculpts were used for Rum & Bones?

Good catch!

Maybe?

They do have some impressive stuff:

https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/enigma-miniatures

^and well, clearly CMON knows about them!

I just know there STILL remains a Warhammer Quest sized hole in our industry. Many have tried to fill it, but even the best attempts have been degrees of success only.

True co-op, nice-level of complexity/depth, persistence, leveling + gear/loot, huge tables of random possibilities.... none of these have been done quite right.

I may not always love CMoN offerings, but they do have a business model, and resources, to fill this gap, and do it justice. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

I think the biggest challenge with a Warhammer Quest style game is making sure you have all the correct ingredients out the game and immediately accessible, which is why we haven't seen anyone hit that sweet spot... yet.

Myth could get there, but it plays way more like an MMO and doesn't have the exact same sense of progression. That could change later on.

Dungeon Saga had all the right ingredients but a very half baked co op mode and curious progression that really needs some strict rules refining and polish.

Shadows of Brimstone I think will do it once everything from the Kickstarter has been released. At that point you'll have a large variety of classes, tiles, loot, enemies, events, missions... everything. BUT IT'S NOT FANTASY.

Darklight: Memento Mori looks like it might be a serious contender, if they could just get the pledge level over their current hump and keep unlocking stretch goals.

All those issues could be completely negligible for CMON within the span of a few hours if this is what we think it is and they've got their fingers on gamers' dungeon crawling pulses.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:

I think the biggest challenge with a Warhammer Quest style game is making sure you have all the correct ingredients out the game and immediately accessible, which is why we haven't seen anyone hit that sweet spot... yet.

Myth could get there, but it plays way more like an MMO and doesn't have the exact same sense of progression. That could change later on.

Dungeon Saga had all the right ingredients but a very half baked co op mode and curious progression that really needs some strict rules refining and polish.

Shadows of Brimstone I think will do it once everything from the Kickstarter has been released. At that point you'll have a large variety of classes, tiles, loot, enemies, events, missions... everything. BUT IT'S NOT FANTASY.

Darklight: Memento Mori looks like it might be a serious contender, if they could just get the pledge level over their current hump and keep unlocking stretch goals.

All those issues could be completely negligible for CMON within the span of a few hours if this is what we think it is and they've got their fingers on gamers' dungeon crawling pulses.

Agreed on almost every count... minus Myth which had such a wretched initial release, and badly written rules that I didn't stick around long enough the follow their revamped rules (which I did hear did a commendable job at fixing things).

As you say CMON could have the game on KS, with a volume of content needed for one of these, and funded to the gills. Its why I feel they are a good fit for this. My only fear would be the publisher erring on the side of "too simple" ala Zombicide, where there really just isn't much meat to the game. They could have infinite volume, but if its thimble deep....

I'm definitely excited for this one and would love to see where it goes. Plus, as you say, CMoN has no issues fulfilling. If they fund ten add-ons, three big-box expansions, etc... I know i'll be having it in my hands within a year, which takes a ton of doubt out of the KS equation (yeah... Shadows of Brimstone is still barely dripping out releases after all this time).


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Edit: I'll make a small addendum. Shadows of Brimstone with the Hexcrawl fan mod IS everything I dreamed of, and more.

CMON/Cincy, someone get them to take a look at that fan project and realize THAT is what this genre of game needs to go from novelty to legendary, and played/remembered for decades.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
I wonder why they chose the name "Massive Darkness"?

Enigma Miniatures 32mm line is called Massive Darkness, which CMON must be aware of.

I wonder if Enigmas sculpts will be used, a bit like how the Ron & Bones sculpts were used for Rum & Bones?

Good catch!

Maybe?

They do have some impressive stuff:

https://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/enigma-miniatures

^and well, clearly CMON knows about them!

They certainly do

Time will tell if the name is just a coincidence or not, but if it does have anything to do with the Enigma line then I predict that it will do very well indeed, their figures are some of the best around at that scale IMHO.