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Ok lets judge advise based off models

Eosgreen


Azreal



Mine

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Don't make comments like this on Dakka, especially on these boards.
Reds8n

Yeah, that Chaplain some 4 years or more old, I seldom upload to the gallery, and I agree, show your model with a picture that tightly zoomed in.

This is over 2 years old (the backgrounds in my old house, which I moved out of a little over two years ago.)

I'm afraid I'm not big into taking pics of my minis, so I've not got much current. I'll see if I can find one or two more..

man everyone has way better photo capabilitys that me. nice model btw

View from the back. I did actually put a thread up in Showcase for this guy, and someone who has actually attended spinal surgery commented on the accuracy of my gore!


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eosgreen wrote:
man everyone has way better photo capabilitys that me. nice model btw

Cellphone and ordinary angle poise lamp mate. If I could get a decent photo setup I'd probably take more pics, but I'm not big into photography and something that basic tends to bleach everything, and I only ever see the things I didn't get quite right.

One of my brief experiments with a proper photography set up. And as we're doing Heralds!

Technically there's a lot I could have improved with this fella, but he represents a lot of new techniques and he's my dad's favorite thing I've ever done.

yeh my camera blends my herald into a pink blob. its darkest shade is sanguine highlight and its brightest is carnal pink. thats a massive color dif and yet it just looks like screamer pink lol.

seems like you got a lot of daemons. good stuff

Excuse the funky lighting, this was taken under the LEDs in my display cabinet to share quickly.


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eosgreen wrote:
yeh my camera blends my herald into a pink blob. its darkest shade is sanguine highlight and its brightest is carnal pink. thats a massive color dif and yet it just looks like screamer pink lol.

seems like you got a lot of daemons. good stuff

They were my main army until I just got tired of the insanity and the paperwork!

Doing 40K CSM/30K Emperor's Children ATM, but I'm not even sure I'll ever play them.

Sometimes I do tanks. This was WIP though, there's weathering on the finished article, and more decal work.


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OgreChubbs wrote:
Ok lets judge advise based off models

It was never my intention to turn this into some sort of pissing contest, but if you're going to self select which models you're going to put forward for the head to head comparison you instigated, then I'm damn well going to as well.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Ok lets judge advise based off models

Spoiler:

Eosgreen


Azreal



Mine

No offence mate? But your Robute looks like he's got a bad case of jaundice..

TBH this thread has completely gotten out of hand

OgreChubbs wrote:
Ok lets judge advise based off models

Sorry, but I don't think you are going to get first place.

Indeed.

We expect politeness on Dakka , especially on the P & M boards.

Further ridiculousness like we've seen here so far will result in suspensions.

So how about that local sports team?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
from what i see in your gallery, you shouldn't be giving anyone advice

OgreChubbs wrote:
Firstly your not an above average painter, table top at best.

This thread needs a miniature painting thunderdome for comparing paintbrush lengths. Two models enter, one model leaves!!

Ok, when I said this, I was *joking*, maybe we can take the willy measuring competition to another thread, it's not really all that on topic.

I don't think you have to be an awesome painter to give good advice. Indeed some of the top painters may use techniques that are appropriate for competition level pieces but not practical for wargaming pieces. It may be more useful to the common man to learn a method that lets them paint a gaunt in 20 minutes to a visually appealing standard than it is to learn a method that is more conducive to painting a Golden Demon winning model.

That said, bad advice is bad advice, except, ya know, in situations where it's not. A lot of it is subjective depending on what you are trying to achieve.

Saying "It's not about losing a point" when talking about why it's bad to get paint in the ferrule is just bad advice, that's the main reason you avoid getting paint in the ferrule, by the time your bristles start falling out the brush is probably not worth using because the point has split in to 2 or 3 or 10 smaller points

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
from what i see in your gallery, you shouldn't be giving anyone advice

OgreChubbs wrote:
Firstly your not an above average painter, table top at best.

This thread needs a miniature painting thunderdome for comparing paintbrush lengths. Two models enter, one model leaves!!

Ok, when I said this, I was *joking*, maybe we can take the willy measuring competition to another thread, it's not really all that on topic.

I don't think you have to be an awesome painter to give good advice. Indeed some of the top painters may use techniques that are appropriate for competition level pieces but not practical for wargaming pieces. It may be more useful to the common man to learn a method that lets them paint a gaunt in 20 minutes to a visually appealing standard than it is to learn a method that is more conducive to painting a Golden Demon winning model.

That said, bad advice is bad advice, except, ya know, in situations where it's not. A lot of it is subjective depending on what you are trying to achieve.

Saying "It's not about losing a point" when talking about why it's bad to get paint in the ferrule is just bad advice, that's the main reason you avoid getting paint in the ferrule, by the time your bristles start falling out the brush is probably not worth using because the point has split in to 2 or 3 or 10 smaller points

just read what he was suggesting

- dont thin
- paint from the pot
- drybrush large surfaces
- brushes dont matter at all

cmon im not the a hole here. i don't want someone to take his advice and go and ruin a model

eosgreen, I think it would be best if you just leave it. I understand what you mean but its honestly not worth it.
Its ultimately up to others to decide which advice is the best for them, I am sure most people can work out which advice is good or bad.

 Tartarus the Abyss wrote:
eosgreen, I think it would be best if you just leave it. I understand what you mean but its honestly not worth it.
Its ultimately up to others to decide which advice is the best for them, I am sure most people can work out which advice is good or bad.

i see what you mean but consider my own personal story.

when i first started I was taught by a guy at a local GW the basics of highlighting. my first "highlighted" model was a tau battle suit. his instructions were first you base then you add the shade and then the edge highlight. i for whatever reason misstook this as putting the shade on the edge and then adding another highlight on top.

its stupid but i was young and it wasn't like i was a good painter and he was much better, surely he knows what hes doing but in reality my lack of understanding just lead me down a wrong path. After I did it it looked stupid and i went back to ask what i did wrong, obvious answer and he had me do paint it in front of him. As i was painting he told me that I needed to use longer strokes or I would never get a good finish (to this day i do not use long strokes I cant see a reason to elongate strokes from a brush further than the wrist can move)

my points simple, when you don't know much or are not very good/just starting, if you have half a brain you will listen to anyones advice that paints better than you. you will be unable to discern who is giving bad advice because you don't know any better

me telling you "you don't need to thin paints and painting out of a pot is fine" in a confident manner could EASILY be taken as good advice because it makes it look like my advice of thinning and using a wet palette are excessive and wasteful. this is further compounded by this logic that good supplys are also a waste.

he basically made it so that my good advice was just the advice of a snobby elitist "spend money for top notch tools" painter when actually my advice is the most basic rules of painting and his are the the biggest do not do's of painting.

eosgreen wrote:
my points simple, when you don't know much or are not very good/just starting, if you have half a brain you will listen to anyones advice that paints better than you. you will be unable to discern who is giving bad advice because you don't know any better.

Thats a fair point. Personally for me, no one ever told me how to paint even when I had a beginners workshop at a GW store. So a lot of what I learnt was through my own painting which I supplemented with further reading from different sources.

eosgreen wrote:

 Tartarus the Abyss wrote:
eosgreen, I think it would be best if you just leave it. I understand what you mean but its honestly not worth it.
Its ultimately up to others to decide which advice is the best for them, I am sure most people can work out which advice is good or bad.

i see what you mean but consider my own personal story.

when i first started I was taught by a guy at a local GW the basics of highlighting. my first "highlighted" model was a tau battle suit. his instructions were first you base then you add the shade and then the edge highlight. i for whatever reason misstook this as putting the shade on the edge and then adding another highlight on top.

its stupid but i was young and it wasn't like i was a good painter and he was much better, surely he knows what hes doing but in reality my lack of understanding just lead me down a wrong path. After I did it it looked stupid and i went back to ask what i did wrong, obvious answer and he had me do paint it in front of him. As i was painting he told me that I needed to use longer strokes or I would never get a good finish (to this day i do not use long strokes I cant see a reason to elongate strokes from a brush further than the wrist can move)

my points simple, when you don't know much or are not very good/just starting, if you have half a brain you will listen to anyones advice that paints better than you. you will be unable to discern who is giving bad advice because you don't know any better

me telling you "you don't need to thin paints and painting out of a pot is fine" in a confident manner could EASILY be taken as good advice because it makes it look like my advice of thinning and using a wet palette are excessive and wasteful. this is further compounded by this logic that good supplys are also a waste.

he basically made it so that my good advice was just the advice of a snobby elitist "spend money for top notch tools" painter when actually my advice is the most basic rules of painting and his are the the biggest do not do's of painting.

maybe you should grow up and move on, I gave my advise you gave yours. i think you give bad advice you think I do. Leave it there dont make it personal I showed images from bother our gallerys. The can pick the advice the like and end it there. You really need to grow up stop making it personal and end it there. Good day.

Well, I tried to diffuse this situation but there is no saving this thread. This thread should be locked and this argument ended.

Wow i come back after posting the second comment with positive advise and what a gak storm lol the irony is the topics name turned out to be spot on...

PS I think its good to show your miniatures if you want to give out your advise as correct, we all can learn a lot from looking at the models and hearing what the painter thinks about painting.

Yeah, i'll try and show my work where possible.
If someone is looking for OSL techniques i'll try and post an example or two. There's little point in me explaining or posting links to a really high end OSL technique if the painter's current standard wouldn't be up to it. Best to show a quick, achievable glaze and drybrush technique that can be applied armywide..
It's easy for them to decide whether the quality of my work would be achievable to them or if I've been trying to teach my grandmother to suck eggs.
Normally i'll take a quick look in their gallery before making a post just to know what level to pitch at.

Also, painting fit for purpose is an important thing. I have plenty of models that are not my best work but then I also have plenty of finished armies that look great on the tabletop and haven't taken me decades to finish.

Didn't realize you have to be an expert painter to give advice. I should shut down my account if that's the case.

You absolutely don't, but my point was, and remains, that if someone is handing out advice that seems to run contrary to what many others (possibly including 'experts') are saying, the person receiving that advice should take steps to ensure that the results that can be achieved by following their advice are in line with what they personally wish to arrive at.

I'm trying hard to not offer any criticism or judgment on any one painter, although it seems it has been taken that way, nor do I consider myself some sort of painting messia, because everyone can't be a GD winner. That should never undermine any sense of satisfaction somebody derives from their own work. But I'm afraid if advice is offered that either won't help, or could be actively detrimental to other people's attempts to improve, something needs to be said.

I was trying to make a sarcastic joke. It didn't work =(.

Lol, no. My sarcasm detector is generally pretty good too!

Mdlbuildr wrote:
Didn't realize you have to be an expert painter to give advice. I should shut down my account if that's the case.

everyone just isn't reading

the guy is telling people not to thin paint and paint from the pot among other things.

after you say that nothing else matters cus anyone who says that, is a terrible painter and is trolling or doesnt know hes trolling which is much scarier


edit - damn it you were being sarcastic. damn


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 Azreal13 wrote:
You absolutely don't, but my point was, and remains, that if someone is handing out advice that seems to run contrary to what many others (possibly including 'experts') are saying, the person receiving that advice should take steps to ensure that the results that can be achieved by following their advice are in line with what they personally wish to arrive at.

I'm trying hard to not offer any criticism or judgment on any one painter, although it seems it has been taken that way, nor do I consider myself some sort of painting messia, because everyone can't be a GD winner. That should never undermine any sense of satisfaction somebody derives from their own work. But I'm afraid if advice is offered that either won't help, or could be actively detrimental to other people's attempts to improve, something needs to be said.

are you running for office? vote for azreal, everyones a winner, everyones right and can't we all just get along?

eosgreen wrote:



edit - damn it you were being sarcastic. damn

LOL yeah, sarcasm is hard in writing...

I don't always 'thin' my paints, sometimes a wet brush from the pot and careful application can do very nicely.
When it comes to rank and file it's normally good enough.