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 Bottle wrote:
So for the naysayers, Killkrazy and Hobojebus, how would you have done it differently?

If I was GW I would have released the book as a series of 6 volumes, each costing £20, but with less content, with a new add-on every three months.

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RULE #1 HERE IS "BE POLITE".

Alternatively, if I was in charge of GW I would have used the two years it took to design AoS to work a release schedule covering the first two years of the game that let me publish Grand Alliance: Chaos volumes 1 and 2, each containing a well-thought-out selection of units, the first volume available at launch with required new models, the second one coming six months later and including all the new units published in between the two books.

Another idea would be to release four books to cover the four Chaos gods, each one containing all the units relevant to that sub-faction.

Either of these would be a more satisfactory result for players than the current situation, I feel.

Actually, making books that don't have the full army list (thus making them "outdated" since they don't have ALL the actual units released after the time their book was printed) isn't really a GW exclusive. Privateer Press does that as well (and for quite some time now, if I may add).

The time when Army Books weren't changing for years is now gone for good. The world is changing fast, and the same is for wargames.

Since GW has dramatically changed their way to release their products (weekly basis, rules only out when the miniatures are out), it's unavoidable there are more and more things added as time passes on - and books not having everything anymore inside.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Alternatively, if I was in charge of GW I would have used the two years it took to design AoS to work a release schedule covering the first two years of the game that let me publish Grand Alliance: Chaos volumes 1 and 2, each containing a well-thought-out selection of units, the first volume available at launch with required new models, the second one coming six months later and including all the new units published in between the two books.

Another idea would be to release four books to cover the four Chaos gods, each one containing all the units relevant to that sub-faction.

Either of these would be a more satisfactory result for players than the current situation, I feel.

Thank you for answering sensibly this time. If you look at the Warscroll Compendiums released at launch and the Chaos Grand Alliance book that came later, GW basically did exactly as you suggest. The only difference being the Warscroll Compendiums were only available electronically and for free.

With your suggestion too we get in exactly the same situation when after volume 2 comes out if GW release new models for that faction the books are incomplete all of a sudden, so it doesn't seem like a particualry better approach.

And a book just focusing on a sub-faction? Well, those are the battletomes aren't they.

I'd rather have it all in one book that doesn't include the newest miniatures than have to handle six different smaller ones. And im sure the majority of customers would as well. Besides, notice how no one who actually owns a copy is complaining; the customers who have a problem with it are the same ones that didn't buy the Grand Alliance books in the first place. As others have mentioned, if one uses one of the three weapon options that have been released (since they aren't really new warscrolls) or feels the need to have absolutely everything it's a simple matter of printing them out and tucking them into the book, as another said earlier. Someone that has an issue with that would definitely have an issue with managing six different books for one Grand Alliance, let alone what it would be to include others as well. A player that only buys the mini-books for units they use doesn't care that there are releases not in the Grand Alliance book unless they are specifically using one of those three weapon options. Using your two-volume approach would still have left out these releases since they are more than six months out, while your chaos god version runs into the same issues above.

So all in all we have an approach that is working for players who bought the product, while players who didn't are talking about how bad it is. It's no wonder that the supporters in this thread have gotten annoyed.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I'd rather have it all in one book that doesn't include the newest miniatures than have to handle six different smaller ones. And im sure the majority of customers would as well. Besides, notice how no one who actually owns a copy is complaining; the customers who have a problem with it are the same ones that didn't buy the Grand Alliance books in the first place. As others have mentioned, if one uses one of the three weapon options that have been released (since they aren't really new warscrolls) or feels the need to have absolutely everything it's a simple matter of printing them out and tucking them into the book, as another said earlier. Someone that has an issue with that would definitely have an issue with managing six different books for one Grand Alliance, let alone what it would be to include others as well. A player that only buys the mini-books for units they use doesn't care that there are releases not in the Grand Alliance book unless they are specifically using one of those three weapon options. Using your two-volume approach would still have left out these releases since they are more than six months out, while your chaos god version runs into the same issues above.

So all in all we have an approach that is working for players who bought the product, while players who didn't are talking about how bad it is. It's no wonder that the supporters in this thread have gotten annoyed.

Indeed... I haven't even seen anyone who actually plays AoS complain about this model. The alternative is to stop releasing models after they release a book, which I don't think anyone wants... I think they could've easily included profiles for the alternate weapons in the book, sure, but even then the new release model means it would be incomplete pretty quick.

Here is another idea for GW's consideration.

Publish a Grand Alliance: X ringbinder. As new units are released, publish their war scrolls as high quality laminated cards that clip into the binder and can be removed to take just the ones you need to the tabletop.

This could be done as a standard A4 format, and fill the spare space on the scrool with an inspiring image and some nice fluff, or it could be done as a smaller format with just the normal scroll information on the card.

Ideally, the ringbinder scroll card would fit inside the unit kit box, so every time you bought a new unit you would automatically get the correct scrool.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Bottle wrote:
So for the naysayers, Killkrazy and Hobojebus, how would you have done it differently?

If I was GW I would have released the book as a series of 6 volumes, each costing £20, but with less content, with a new add-on every three months.

I couldn't figure out who you were talking to until that message x]
Blacklisted people should still appear in the conversation as blank posts so you can understand who's answering who haha

The only books I've bought are the Stormcast ones, and the Fyreslayer one shortly for pictures and stories.
Everything else I've bought through the app. Personally, I went off physical copies of rules a long time ago after trying PP's warroom and having the Infinity rules on a Kindle.

It's easier to keep things up to date, I only have to take my tablet with me when I play.

GW have always invalidated published stuff eventually, it's just a matter of timeline.
I'd rather have a model where stuff becomes incomplete on a more frequent basis but isn't a necessary purchase, as opposed to a compulsory update that requires expenditure because stuff has become outdated.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Here is another idea for GW's consideration.

Publish a Grand Alliance: X ringbinder. As new units are released, publish their war scrolls as high quality laminated cards that clip into the binder and can be removed to take just the ones you need to the tabletop.

This could be done as a standard A4 format, and fill the spare space on the scrool with an inspiring image and some nice fluff, or it could be done as a smaller format with just the normal scroll information on the card.

Ideally, the ringbinder scroll card would fit inside the unit kit box, so every time you bought a new unit you would automatically get the correct scrool.

Now that is a pretty cool idea.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Here is another idea for GW's consideration.

Publish a Grand Alliance: X ringbinder. As new units are released, publish their war scrolls as high quality laminated cards that clip into the binder and can be removed to take just the ones you need to the tabletop.

This could be done as a standard A4 format, and fill the spare space on the scrool with an inspiring image and some nice fluff, or it could be done as a smaller format with just the normal scroll information on the card.

Ideally, the ringbinder scroll card would fit inside the unit kit box, so every time you bought a new unit you would automatically get the correct scrool.

I hate to see how much GW would be charging for an empty binder

Oh yeah, great idea.

Now here is a question. Not sure if we need a new thread or not, should we have them as pages as you said A4, or cards like PP does them for Warmahordes? Cards would be nice, but I love the idea Kilkrazy said, and have them as a book and we can take the pages out when we play and put them back so we can have it as a book again.

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