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 Charistoph wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:Again: deny me permission to use a melee weapon

I HAVE permission to use a Melee weapon in CC, in general

SHow SPECIFIC denial of this ability. And we know it must be specific, otherwise the game breaaks everytime they do not mention absolutely eveything that is still included...

I told you, you use the model's Strength. You replace all Attacks with this. It isn't just Doubling Str of the Attack while losing all but one.

Fragile wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

The thing is that just because it aren't told tot exclude it doesn't necessarily mean that we actually do automatically include it.
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But the reverse is actually true. We are told to include it and Smash does not tell us to exclude it.

You're going to need a good and proper quote that I am to automatically required to include the Weapon. Stomp is the same way. Sure, it has its own rules, but so does Smash. Stomp provides a set Str and AP for the Attack that doesn't automatically Remove. So does Smash. Smash uses the Model's Str and has AP: 2.

Good and Proper quote.

If the weapon confers a Strength bonus, the Strength of the weapon’s attacks is equal to that of the user after any such modifiers have been applied.

Second good and proper quote.

If a model has a combination of rules or wargear that modify a characteristic, first apply any multipliers, then apply any additions or subtractions, and finally apply any set values. For example, if a model with Strength 4 has both ‘+1 Strength’ and ‘double Strength’, its final Strength is 9 (4×2=8, 8+1=9).