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Martel732 wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
Grimdark is not a genre or theme most people will get.
Not many of the races in 40k have that many redeeming features, and how much backlash would there be when the plush space marines start buddying-up to the anime Eldar for the "Lets gang up on Chaos" of the week?

Because Grimdark is stupid.

Then why are you here?

I honestly don't know why you like 40k Martel. You never seem to have anything good to say about it.

I don't really like it that much. It's a break from e-gaming mostly. I'm not paying money to get into X-Wing or something like that.

Martel732 wrote:
I don't really like it that much. It's a break from e-gaming mostly. I'm not paying money to get into X-Wing or something like that.

You spend a lot of time here for something you don't like. I would have gone to get a new hobby ages ago in your shoes.

pm713 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I don't really like it that much. It's a break from e-gaming mostly. I'm not paying money to get into X-Wing or something like that.

You spend a lot of time here for something you don't like. I would have gone to get a new hobby ages ago in your shoes.

I have internet access in a lab where I"m up and down, up and down. I don't post here much from home. I'm in lab A LOT. Also, it's interesting to hear from players with functional lists.

Any genre is limited by the intelligence of the creators. And that basically explains a lot.

Martel732 wrote:
Any genre is limited by the intelligence of the creators. And that basically explains a lot.

WE are partially 40k's creators, as we use the models and make them our own.
Just look at the MLP or Hello Kitty Space Marines (or not) for that, as there is no way GW created them.

 Skinnereal wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Any genre is limited by the intelligence of the creators. And that basically explains a lot.

WE are partially 40k's creators, as we use the models and make them our own.
Just look at the MLP or Hello Kitty Space Marines (or not) for that, as there is no way GW created them.

But GW decides how fast Eldar players get to make me put my models back in the case.

I'd go see a hello kitty space marine movie/comic tbh.

Skinnereal wrote:Grimdark is not a genre or theme most people will get.
Not many of the races in 40k have that many redeeming features, and how much backlash would there be when the plush space marines start buddying-up to the anime Eldar for the "Lets gang up on Chaos" of the week?

Grimdark is a genre and theme that the current 40k writers don't even get. :p

As for marines and eldar buddying up, it happens all the time. Fairly often without the Marines knowing.

Q: "Do you ever see the Universe of Warhammer 40k being as popular as Marvel or DC"

A: "No, not even close."

Explanation:
The DC / Marvel heroes are very human (even if they are not by birth).
They have everyday relatable issues and that is what make them compelling, we want to be them.

So, do you want to be brought close to death, pretty much mind-wiped and then almost killed with invasive grafts and surgery?
Then only to live a life of servitude to an unending war?
Lots of giggles there, I REALLY want to be a Space Marine (Wolverine is close in story... he is cool and all but really messed up).

40k feels like it sprang from my early teen goth mind from the 80's.
It was not a nice place, great to visit, but not a whole universe of it.

What I like is for wargaming the universe of 40k is awesome because it is so bad that whatever you do in-game is tame compared to what happened before.

It would be pretty cool to see a Space Marine action figure though. And a lego Space Marine minifigure.

pm713 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
Grimdark is not a genre or theme most people will get.
Not many of the races in 40k have that many redeeming features, and how much backlash would there be when the plush space marines start buddying-up to the anime Eldar for the "Lets gang up on Chaos" of the week?

Because Grimdark is stupid.

Then why are you here?

Because one can enjoy Warhammer 40k without taking it completely seriously. With a few exceptions grimdark works better as satire than as something that should be taken too seriously because otherwise we would have to wonder if everyone in the setting had his/her brain eaten by the warp.

If you actually took the 40k setting seriously you'd have to question the mentality of some of the factions. Like the imperial guard trying to drown its enemies in blood and attempting to improve morale by a commisar shooting your comrade standing next to you. Or how the entire Imperium somehow all manages to believe in a single demi god. What happened to all the other religions out there? How about that Orks have a British accent even though they aren't from Earth let alone Britain. Its grimdark in that the setting is pretty much a post apocalyptic setting 24/7. Peace does not exist, humanity is slaves to itself, and everything want's to eat, kill or maim you.

Well, originally 40k was a comedy; it was a dark parody of all the messed up parts of human history, which is why everything is so ott and absurdly dark. Think Metalopocalypse, and you'll sort of get the idea.
Its for this reason why the Arbites took heavy inspiration from Judge Dredd, which followed a similar concept.
Its why you had stuff like Inquisitor Sherlock Obiwan Closseau and electric guitar wielding noise marines; it wasn't supposed to be serious.

Nowadays though that's not the case; rather than being a comedy poking fun at human misery and folly, its more of a serious tale of heroism, with clear cut villains and heroes, or at least what are supposed to be heroes.

"Good Guys" tend to not enslave, murder, and exploit their own people.Just sayin.

And yet GW tries to market the Imperium as the heroes of the setting. Its almost as if there's a disconnect between the fluff and the owners.

They market them that way because they are the closest to home. They are human like we are. We "should" see ourselves as the good guys. Every one in history sees themselves as the good guys. Bad guys only show up when the victor writes the history books and he always writes himself as the good guy and his enemies as the bad ones.

Mabye 40k will just join the marvel universe instead.

40k is too dark, depressing, and intense for a good chunk of the population, it is also pretty damn far from kid friendly, which comic stuff isn't.

Look at wolverine. This is a dude who had his entire skeleton replaced with metal because some mad scientist could. He is a bad boy who now has big nasty claws and can't really die. HOWEVER, marvel wrapped him up in yellow and blue spandex and BOOM, kid friendly. Fast forward a decade or two, comics can be more graphics sure, but kids now see the movies. Wolverine still has a pretty graphic backstory, it could have been graphic like SAW, but it wasn't. It was kid friendly.

The closes we have ever gotten to a 40k movie is DREDD, and that was like a blink into what its like to be a citizen, maybe. It still wasn't even close to dark enough. 40k is all about the grimdark, and that is something that doesn't appeal to very many people. It is about the dark ages in space. There is no equality, no rights, and you don't deserve anything. You should just hope you can survive.

That is why I like 40k, it is so horrifically dark. It is almost impossibly bleak for humanity. There is no awesome super technology, or some safe haven in the stars, it is just constant horrifying war.

You never know, I suppose. Marvel and DC have been making comics for, hell, I don't know, but considerably longer than GW. The first superman comic was released during WWII, for example.

And 15-20 years ago, if you had asked "could marvel/dc comics ever be popular", based on movies like spawn, the shadow, the phantom, etc, the answer would have been a resounding 'hell no'. Yet here we are.

It's not like there haven't been good stories based on the 40k universe, and there's definitely room to expand.

And with some actually-not-shovelware GW games on the horizon (armada, space hulk, DoWIII, possibly eternal crusade), they may be set to expand their IP awareness considerably.

And Deadpool showed there is a market for, you know, grown-up fantasy/comic book movies.

It's not inconceivable, to me, to see a popular series of GW sponsored movies catering to a grown-up crowd.

It'll probably never be popular with little kids and families, so, no, it'll probably never match the marketability of marvel/DC (probably never see a chaos-themed set of kid's jammies), but could there be good movies based on it? I think so.

I mean, at one point people are probably going to get tired of superhero movies. (maybe).

40k is too niche for that. It's easier for Warmahordes to have such kind of attention than 40k.

I'd like to see 40k in more medias, but GW is a limiting factor. They're taking baby steps to improve the game and the company under Mr. Rountree, but to achieve even, let's say, 5% of what comics are now? That's pretty far away.

40k had a book with comics back then. One story I liked a lot was one about Blood Angels trying to find the Blade Encarmine (or one version of it). It showed a lot of 40k aspects without being too stupid.

Ah, my favorite was "Klovis the Redeemer!".
This is in the Necromunda setting and I have the original models for him.

He takes his purging seriously, I think the Sisters of Battle would be in awe.

I've seen some models, mostly DA terminators, incorporate torches into their armor, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone wear one like a hat. that's a bit silly.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I've seen some models, mostly DA terminators, incorporate torches into their armor, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone wear one like a hat. that's a bit silly.

Oh, you see him use it to good effect.
Plus, lighting is quite good: you blind everyone else but you see great!
I always liked it: it gives a visible cue that he is a bit of a .... hot head.

I remember him! He was awesome!
That's the silly yet gritty 40k I know.