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 whitedragon wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Ignatius wrote:


You mean the Chosen of Abbadon formation.
Bringers of Despair is Abbadon himself plus one terminator unit.

Can Typhus be taken in any of the formations?

Nope.

Yea, for a pure termie list, you're pretty much forced to go with a purge detachment if you want to add him.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The Chosen of Abaddon Formation does give you something rather necessary: Fearless. Without ATSKNF, Chaos Terminators, especially in MSUs, will have to take leadership tests with almost every casualty. This is probably the only time VotLW tax isn't as heavy.

However this comes at a cost; every terminator unit will have to field a Chaos Lord or Chaos Sorceror, which can get rather expensive per unit. Not to mention not having any other options other than Land Raiders.

The fearless would mean so much more if there was no VotOW tax that increases your LD to respectable 9 (10 wiht mandatory sarge still alive), and the fact that you have to take either a lord or a sorcerer in the squad, and one of the two is already fearless.
The other bonus (practically a free gift of mutation for every lord/sorcerer) is also quite laughable.


Now I know purge detachment don't really give much to a terminator army in terms of command bonuses, but at least it allows you to field the army as you see fit, and don't force you to spam HQs beyond any reason.

I somewhat dislike the Purged Detachment because unless you're forced to do Battleforged, the formation is rather pointless. I think the only perk you get is a warlord trait reroll? (does it even get this? I don't remember and don't have access to my books). So if you can go Unbound, it's a lot better since there's no restrictions at all.

That doesn't make CHosen of Abaddon any better, but still that one at least gives you something.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The Chosen of Abaddon Formation does give you something rather necessary: Fearless. Without ATSKNF, Chaos Terminators, especially in MSUs, will have to take leadership tests with almost every casualty. This is probably the only time VotLW tax isn't as heavy.

However this comes at a cost; every terminator unit will have to field a Chaos Lord or Chaos Sorceror, which can get rather expensive per unit. Not to mention not having any other options other than Land Raiders.

Only when you include the Sorcerer though since adding a lord would have given them fearless either way.
And if you take a full unit, you may as well pay the 5 extra points to get an icon of vengeance and make them fearless without the lord. 35 is still cheaper than even a bare bones lord. Assuming you don't need another icon at least. It's certainly better than the icon of despair. And if you play the auloth legacy to use an icon of vengeance instead of the RAW Wrath icon, you can also get fnp with the mark of nurgle. And your still cheaper than you were when using the chosen formation assuming you give your lord some kind of gear. Even with min sized units it would be cheaper to the icon of vengeance compared to the chosen formation. Plus it works on other units that are nearby too.






But why would I want to take him? 230 points for albeit a sweet scythe and pysker level 2 is not worth it in this army. Besides death guard don't like pyskers so I'm probably not going to use any in this list

Typhus is one of the only competitive ways to run a foot HQ...

Roknar wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The Chosen of Abaddon Formation does give you something rather necessary: Fearless. Without ATSKNF, Chaos Terminators, especially in MSUs, will have to take leadership tests with almost every casualty. This is probably the only time VotLW tax isn't as heavy.

However this comes at a cost; every terminator unit will have to field a Chaos Lord or Chaos Sorceror, which can get rather expensive per unit. Not to mention not having any other options other than Land Raiders.

Only when you include the Sorcerer though since adding a lord would have given them fearless either way.
And if you take a full unit, you may as well pay the 5 extra points to get an icon of vengeance and make them fearless without the lord. 35 is still cheaper than even a bare bones lord. Assuming you don't need another icon at least. It's certainly better than the icon of despair. And if you play the auloth legacy to use an icon of vengeance instead of the RAW Wrath icon, you can also get fnp with the mark of nurgle. And your still cheaper than you were when using the chosen formation assuming you give your lord some kind of gear. Even with min sized units it would be cheaper to the icon of vengeance compared to the chosen formation. Plus it works on other units that are nearby too.

I'm sorry what? What is the Auloth Legacy? How does it give FNP? Through an icon? I would love to give this to them if possible. But also worth remembering that purge makes me take only nudge marks, not sure how this applies to icons or what your talking about.

It's a legacy of ruin from Imperial Armour 13: Lost and the damned. Basically you can give vehicles some extra rules. Though you'd want the book regardless of that just for the extra units you get.
Auloth the primordial horror is a rule that gives a vehicle fear and makes all of its weapons pinning, but more importantly, all friendly units with an icon of wrath within 12" of the vehicles get fear and feel no pain. This one also makes the vehicle possessed. 40 points.
It's basically possession by an unmarked daemon prince and the icon of wrath should be an icon of vengeance, though there is no official faq for that unfortunately. So you'd have to ask your opponent if it's ok to switch. It's a pretty obvious mistake when you read the lore about it, but yea, I've only seen email correspondance from FW, which isn't good enough for the majority of people.

The icon of vengeance isn't bound to any mark or lack thereof. You could mark your units with nurgle and get that icon rather than the despair one.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Typhus is one of the only competitive ways to run a foot HQ...

Not if he's the only psyker and you don't use cultists he isn't.

Roknar wrote:

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 Caesar3594 wrote:

Roknar wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The Chosen of Abaddon Formation does give you something rather necessary: Fearless. Without ATSKNF, Chaos Terminators, especially in MSUs, will have to take leadership tests with almost every casualty. This is probably the only time VotLW tax isn't as heavy.

However this comes at a cost; every terminator unit will have to field a Chaos Lord or Chaos Sorceror, which can get rather expensive per unit. Not to mention not having any other options other than Land Raiders.

Only when you include the Sorcerer though since adding a lord would have given them fearless either way.
And if you take a full unit, you may as well pay the 5 extra points to get an icon of vengeance and make them fearless without the lord. 35 is still cheaper than even a bare bones lord. Assuming you don't need another icon at least. It's certainly better than the icon of despair. And if you play the auloth legacy to use an icon of vengeance instead of the RAW Wrath icon, you can also get fnp with the mark of nurgle. And your still cheaper than you were when using the chosen formation assuming you give your lord some kind of gear. Even with min sized units it would be cheaper to the icon of vengeance compared to the chosen formation. Plus it works on other units that are nearby too.

I'm sorry what? What is the Auloth Legacy? How does it give FNP? Through an icon? I would love to give this to them if possible. But also worth remembering that purge makes me take only nudge marks, not sure how this applies to icons or what your talking about.

It's a legacy of ruin from Imperial Armour 13: Lost and the damned. Basically you can give vehicles some extra rules. Though you'd want the book regardless of that just for the extra units you get.
Auloth the primordial horror is a rule that gives a vehicle fear and makes all of its weapons pinning, but more importantly, all friendly units with an icon of wrath within 12" of the vehicles get fear and feel no pain. This one also makes the vehicle possessed. 40 points.
It's basically possession by an unmarked daemon prince and the icon of wrath should be an icon of vengeance, though there is no official faq for that unfortunately. So you'd have to ask your opponent if it's ok to switch. It's a pretty obvious mistake when you read the lore about it, but yea, I've only seen email correspondance from FW, which isn't good enough for the majority of people.

The icon of vengeance isn't bound to any mark or lack thereof. You could mark your units with nurgle and get that icon rather than the despair one.


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Typhus is one of the only competitive ways to run a foot HQ...

Not if he's the only psyker and you don't use cultists he isn't.

Okay. I just looked it up and yeah it really sucks they made such a stupid typo. Still I want to be able to use this list in tournaments or leagues....

That would really make taking icons of vengeance worth using, making me not have to worry about my termis running away and giving them good old Deathguard style feel no pain.

Wow this is probably the biggest type ever that FW doesn't care about but needs to fix Pronto. In the lists of legacy of ruin there is a vessel of ____for all 4 ruinous powers, each having an effect having to do with units that have that ruinous powers icon within 6 or 12 inches. INCLUDING ONE FOR KHORNE THAT EFFECTS MODELS WITHIN 12 INCHES OF HIM WITH THE ICON OF WRATH.

So Auloth is obviously the generic or general chaos possession legacy, having a "chaos undecided" fluff so it obviously has to do with the chaos undecided/ neutral icon, the icon of vengeance. But now FW doesn't know how to proofread so this is the most inconveniencin typo ever


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Tbh it's obviously supposed to be a icon of vengeance that I'm am probably going to run my Hellbrute with the legacy of Auloth anyway. And if people complain or tell me I'm not playing the rules right I will literally just go into detail of what I explained above and that it's obviously a icon ov vengeance and their dumb if they think otherwise.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
The Chosen of Abaddon Formation does give you something rather necessary: Fearless. Without ATSKNF, Chaos Terminators, especially in MSUs, will have to take leadership tests with almost every casualty. This is probably the only time VotLW tax isn't as heavy.

However this comes at a cost; every terminator unit will have to field a Chaos Lord or Chaos Sorceror, which can get rather expensive per unit. Not to mention not having any other options other than Land Raiders.

But if you want to take sorcerer it is good formation. Terminators are not very good unit overall but better with this.

Changing the rules a little bit, have you ever considered using the 30k Death Guard Legion? The rules are still completely compatible against a 40k army except you'd have a lot more options to play with.

For starters, you can actually run a 100% Terminator army using it. The army includes 'Rites of War' which shift your slots about and let you play specialist formations, one of which makes Terminators into a Troops choice.

Not only that, but as Death Guard you gain 2 completely unique units of Terminators.
First you have the 'Deathshroud' which are scythe-wielding, 2W bodyguards who double as commanders in smaller games.
After that, you have the Grave Wardens who are a heavy unit toting grenade launchers and poisonous smogs.
And of course, you have Mortarion himself. Latest rumours suggest that we are getting full-on Daemon Primarchs in the near future so you can always hold out for a more 40k-appropriate model if you choose.

Finally, the 30k list just tends to offer a better experience to play with. You have so many more options, both in Terminator Armour and without. You can take HQs as banner bearers, apothecaries, chaplains, siege breakers and more. You can take your Terminators with plasma blasters or heat rays, different patterns of armour available, and of course you can take the dreaded Spartan as a transport.

I mean if you were going to look at Forge World options anyway...


https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-AU/The-Horus-Heresy?N=102709+4294966026&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=8&sorting=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat2210033

Thanks for the info. I'm aware of their awesome 30k units and am definitly interstrested in playing it, but most people don't like playing 30k against 40k. I'll probably get into 30k with a full death guard force, but that's when I can offered the models. I already have like 32 termis and oblits I wanted to use for the army and most people want you to use 30k models if using 30k rules

 Intercessor wrote:

Purge can be used for Chaos Marines or Renegades, but they can never be mixed within the same detachment.

Where does it say this?

 King Pyrrhus wrote:

 Intercessor wrote:

Purge can be used for Chaos Marines or Renegades, but they can never be mixed within the same detachment.

Where does it say this?

Pretty sure it says it right no the datasheet. It says OR not and.

Play unbound