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Now against the local Marine players? Those are the typical TFG's in my experiences... Always whining about everyone else's "OP crap" and will only ever play optimised Gladius or Superfriends Deathstar builds. A few Loyalist players have a heart, but for me, most of the WaaC's donkeycaves are the traditional whiney, over-entitled, spoiled Marine players, and not the Eldar & Tau crowd.
Welcome to 40k, where spess mureenz are underpowered and everything else is oplol. it also sucks since mureenz are such a massive player base they have the numbers behind then to back them up. I don't see why people don't talk to their opponents before hand about their games, it's a game do change it to have fun with your opponent!
Tell me about it. There is one at my local club that thinks that the Imperial Guard are overpowered and that Leman Russ hulls should be limited to a maximum of three per army and Veterans should not be BS 4. On the other hand his four/five 30K armies (made mostly from proxied 40K models) is perfectly fine and his constant spamming of the most over powered combo's in the game is fair and balanced.
IG can be pretty fething OP. With certain builds, it's pretty much all pie plates all the time.
No thanks.
Pie plates? tradito, no offence mate, but if pieplates scare you in this edition then you may be doing something wrong.
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Now against the local Marine players? Those are the typical TFG's in my experiences... Always whining about everyone else's "OP crap" and will only ever play optimised Gladius or Superfriends Deathstar builds.
A few Loyalist players have a heart, but for me, most of the WaaC's donkeycaves are the traditional whiney, over-entitled, spoiled Marine players, and not the Eldar & Tau crowd.
Welcome to 40k, where spess mureenz are underpowered and everything else is oplol. it also sucks since mureenz are such a massive player base they have the numbers behind then to back them up. I don't see why people don't talk to their opponents before hand about their games, it's a game do change it to have fun with your opponent!
Tell me about it. There is one at my local club that thinks that the Imperial Guard are overpowered and that Leman Russ hulls should be limited to a maximum of three per army and Veterans should not be BS 4. On the other hand his four/five 30K armies (made mostly from proxied 40K models) is perfectly fine and his constant spamming of the most over powered combo's in the game is fair and balanced.
IG can be pretty fething OP. With certain builds, it's pretty much all pie plates all the time.
No thanks.
Pie plates? tradito, no offence mate, but if pieplates scare you in this edition then you may be doing something wrong.
Something about the fact I was questioning what kind of person does that kind of thing.
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master of ordinance wrote:Pie plates? tradito, no offence mate, but if pieplates scare you in this edition then you may be doing something wrong.
Between wyverns, manticores and leeman russes and the metric feth-ton of pie plates which 1. can shoot across the table and 2. ignore LOS and 3. are often AP 3 or better, an IG army can be pretty intimidating/overwhelming for non-cheesestatic/super-competitive builds.
Mr_Piddlez wrote: I will now happily refuse a game against eldar no matter the point level, player, or competitiveness of the list, and I'll smile while I do it.
You sound nice.
I'm quite nice, So was the player I played against. Even when he told me that he only plays Elder because he got tired of losing. I didn't hate the guy. I won't play him again, but I don't hate the guy.
I'm just so beat on and bitter that I won't do things that hurt me anymore. I think there is nothing wrong refusing to play against an army that won't let me go to turn two unless they dumb their list down to painfully boring levels. It's not really fair of me to say "I'll only play with you with you if dont play with scatbikes, wraithknight, or d-scythe wraithguard". It effectively invalidates the money they invested in their army and if I spent that much on the cool toys, I'd want to use them too.
So, it's just easier to refuse to play against the army as a whole instead of making someone cripple themselves to the point that it isn't enjoyable.
"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn
master of ordinance wrote:Pie plates? tradito, no offence mate, but if pieplates scare you in this edition then you may be doing something wrong.
Between wyverns, manticores and leeman russes and the metric feth-ton of pie plates which 1. can shoot across the table and 2. ignore LOS and 3. are often AP 3 or better, an IG army can be pretty intimidating/overwhelming for non-cheesestatic/super-competitive builds.
That's all that I'm saying.
Wyverns dont shoot pieplates and Leman Russ are widely considered to be extremely underpowered whilst Manticores havnt been around since 5th, baring their overpriced IA entry.
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Mr_Piddlez wrote: I will now happily refuse a game against eldar no matter the point level, player, or competitiveness of the list, and I'll smile while I do it.
You sound nice.
I'm quite nice, So was the player I played against. Even when he told me that he only plays Elder because he got tired of losing. I didn't hate the guy. I won't play him again, but I don't hate the guy.
I'm just so beat on and bitter that I won't do things that hurt me anymore. I think there is nothing wrong refusing to play against an army that won't let me go to turn two unless they dumb their list down to painfully boring levels. It's not really fair of me to say "I'll only play with you with you if dont play with scatbikes, wraithknight, or d-scythe wraithguard". It effectively invalidates the money they invested in their army and if I spent that much on the cool toys, I'd want to use them too.
So, it's just easier to refuse to play against the army as a whole instead of making someone cripple themselves to the point that it isn't enjoyable.
Mm immediately telling someone you won't play them based on your prejudice and enjoying it. How lovely.
tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
Now against the local Marine players? Those are the typical TFG's in my experiences... Always whining about everyone else's "OP crap" and will only ever play optimised Gladius or Superfriends Deathstar builds.
A few Loyalist players have a heart, but for me, most of the WaaC's donkeycaves are the traditional whiney, over-entitled, spoiled Marine players, and not the Eldar & Tau crowd.
Welcome to 40k, where spess mureenz are underpowered and everything else is oplol. it also sucks since mureenz are such a massive player base they have the numbers behind then to back them up. I don't see why people don't talk to their opponents before hand about their games, it's a game do change it to have fun with your opponent!
Tell me about it. There is one at my local club that thinks that the Imperial Guard are overpowered and that Leman Russ hulls should be limited to a maximum of three per army and Veterans should not be BS 4. On the other hand his four/five 30K armies (made mostly from proxied 40K models) is perfectly fine and his constant spamming of the most over powered combo's in the game is fair and balanced.
IG can be pretty fething OP. With certain builds, it's pretty much all pie plates all the time.
No thanks.
Lol no. Blasts suck in 7ed and so do all of the Guard vehicles that have them.
Mr_Piddlez wrote: I will now happily refuse a game against eldar no matter the point level, player, or competitiveness of the list, and I'll smile while I do it.
You sound nice.
I'm quite nice, So was the player I played against. Even when he told me that he only plays Elder because he got tired of losing. I didn't hate the guy. I won't play him again, but I don't hate the guy.
I'm just so beat on and bitter that I won't do things that hurt me anymore. I think there is nothing wrong refusing to play against an army that won't let me go to turn two unless they dumb their list down to painfully boring levels. It's not really fair of me to say "I'll only play with you with you if dont play with scatbikes, wraithknight, or d-scythe wraithguard". It effectively invalidates the money they invested in their army and if I spent that much on the cool toys, I'd want to use them too.
So, it's just easier to refuse to play against the army as a whole instead of making someone cripple themselves to the point that it isn't enjoyable.
Mm immediately telling someone you won't play them based on your prejudice and enjoying it. How lovely.
It's not like I froth at the mouth and scream "Never eldar, Never again!" as I start cursing them and their brood as my eyes roll back. The skies darken and someone starts playing a pipe organ. The whole room starts speaking latin backwards as we slowly descend on the eldar player, hobby knives glinting in the now conveniently placed candlelight.
Its more like, "Hey want to play a game? I play eldar", they say. "No thanks, I don't have anything that can fight eldar and make it an enjoyable game for both of us", I say. Then we move on.
"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn
Mr_Piddlez wrote: I will now happily refuse a game against eldar no matter the point level, player, or competitiveness of the list, and I'll smile while I do it.
You sound nice.
I'm quite nice, So was the player I played against. Even when he told me that he only plays Elder because he got tired of losing. I didn't hate the guy. I won't play him again, but I don't hate the guy.
I'm just so beat on and bitter that I won't do things that hurt me anymore. I think there is nothing wrong refusing to play against an army that won't let me go to turn two unless they dumb their list down to painfully boring levels. It's not really fair of me to say "I'll only play with you with you if dont play with scatbikes, wraithknight, or d-scythe wraithguard". It effectively invalidates the money they invested in their army and if I spent that much on the cool toys, I'd want to use them too.
So, it's just easier to refuse to play against the army as a whole instead of making someone cripple themselves to the point that it isn't enjoyable.
Mm immediately telling someone you won't play them based on your prejudice and enjoying it. How lovely.
It's not like I froth at the mouth and scream "Never eldar, Never again!" as I start cursing them and their brood as my eyes roll back. The skies darken and someone starts playing a pipe organ. The whole room starts speaking latin backwards as we slowly descend on the eldar player, hobby knives glinting in the now conveniently placed candlelight.
Its more like, "Hey want to play a game? I play eldar", they say. "No thanks, I don't have anything that can fight eldar and make it an enjoyable game for both of us", I say. Then we move on.
Which is the same as me just going "Oh you have Space Marines? No thanks I don't want to play. Grav spam sucks".
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EVERYTHING IS OVERPOWERED, EVERYTHING SUCKS, WHY CAN'T MY ARMY EVER WIN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT MIGHT BE ME, THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT, IT MUST BE THAT EVERYONE ELSE'S ARMY IS OP!!!111ONe
Am I doing ti right?.
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Melissia wrote: EVERYTHING IS OVERPOWERED, EVERYTHING SUCKS, WHY CAN'T MY ARMY EVER WIN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT MIGHT BE ME, THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT, IT MUST BE THAT EVERYONE ELSE'S ARMY IS OP!!!111ONe
Am I doing ti right?.
You need some kind of stupid comparison or flawed logic.
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Mr_Piddlez wrote: I will now happily refuse a game against eldar no matter the point level, player, or competitiveness of the list, and I'll smile while I do it.
You sound nice.
I'm quite nice, So was the player I played against. Even when he told me that he only plays Elder because he got tired of losing. I didn't hate the guy. I won't play him again, but I don't hate the guy.
I'm just so beat on and bitter that I won't do things that hurt me anymore. I think there is nothing wrong refusing to play against an army that won't let me go to turn two unless they dumb their list down to painfully boring levels. It's not really fair of me to say "I'll only play with you with you if dont play with scatbikes, wraithknight, or d-scythe wraithguard". It effectively invalidates the money they invested in their army and if I spent that much on the cool toys, I'd want to use them too.
So, it's just easier to refuse to play against the army as a whole instead of making someone cripple themselves to the point that it isn't enjoyable.
Mm immediately telling someone you won't play them based on your prejudice and enjoying it. How lovely.
It's not like I froth at the mouth and scream "Never eldar, Never again!" as I start cursing them and their brood as my eyes roll back. The skies darken and someone starts playing a pipe organ. The whole room starts speaking latin backwards as we slowly descend on the eldar player, hobby knives glinting in the now conveniently placed candlelight.
Its more like, "Hey want to play a game? I play eldar", they say. "No thanks, I don't have anything that can fight eldar and make it an enjoyable game for both of us", I say. Then we move on.
Which is the same as me just going "Oh you have Space Marines? No thanks I don't want to play. Grav spam sucks".
Which is totally fair. If you don't enjoy playing a game against space marines, then don't play against them. It's really that simple. I wouldn't get upset if someone didn't wan't to play against me because they are still traumatized from the "year of heldrake".
"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn
Mr_Piddlez wrote: I will now happily refuse a game against eldar no matter the point level, player, or competitiveness of the list, and I'll smile while I do it.
You sound nice.
I'm quite nice, So was the player I played against. Even when he told me that he only plays Elder because he got tired of losing. I didn't hate the guy. I won't play him again, but I don't hate the guy.
I'm just so beat on and bitter that I won't do things that hurt me anymore. I think there is nothing wrong refusing to play against an army that won't let me go to turn two unless they dumb their list down to painfully boring levels. It's not really fair of me to say "I'll only play with you with you if dont play with scatbikes, wraithknight, or d-scythe wraithguard". It effectively invalidates the money they invested in their army and if I spent that much on the cool toys, I'd want to use them too.
So, it's just easier to refuse to play against the army as a whole instead of making someone cripple themselves to the point that it isn't enjoyable.
Mm immediately telling someone you won't play them based on your prejudice and enjoying it. How lovely.
It's not like I froth at the mouth and scream "Never eldar, Never again!" as I start cursing them and their brood as my eyes roll back. The skies darken and someone starts playing a pipe organ. The whole room starts speaking latin backwards as we slowly descend on the eldar player, hobby knives glinting in the now conveniently placed candlelight.
Its more like, "Hey want to play a game? I play eldar", they say. "No thanks, I don't have anything that can fight eldar and make it an enjoyable game for both of us", I say. Then we move on.
Which is the same as me just going "Oh you have Space Marines? No thanks I don't want to play. Grav spam sucks".
Which is totally fair. If you don't enjoy playing a game against space marines, then don't play against them. It's really that simple. I wouldn't get upset if someone didn't wan't to play against me because they are still traumatized from the "year of heldrake".
You missed the point a bit. I said the issue was with grav spam. If the person doesn't have grav spam then they've just been told to go somewhere else for no reason.
tremere47-fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate, leads to triple riptide spam
Mr_Piddlez wrote: I will now happily refuse a game against eldar no matter the point level, player, or competitiveness of the list, and I'll smile while I do it.
You sound nice.
I'm quite nice, So was the player I played against. Even when he told me that he only plays Elder because he got tired of losing. I didn't hate the guy. I won't play him again, but I don't hate the guy.
I'm just so beat on and bitter that I won't do things that hurt me anymore. I think there is nothing wrong refusing to play against an army that won't let me go to turn two unless they dumb their list down to painfully boring levels. It's not really fair of me to say "I'll only play with you with you if dont play with scatbikes, wraithknight, or d-scythe wraithguard". It effectively invalidates the money they invested in their army and if I spent that much on the cool toys, I'd want to use them too.
So, it's just easier to refuse to play against the army as a whole instead of making someone cripple themselves to the point that it isn't enjoyable.
Mm immediately telling someone you won't play them based on your prejudice and enjoying it. How lovely.
It's not like I froth at the mouth and scream "Never eldar, Never again!" as I start cursing them and their brood as my eyes roll back. The skies darken and someone starts playing a pipe organ. The whole room starts speaking latin backwards as we slowly descend on the eldar player, hobby knives glinting in the now conveniently placed candlelight.
Its more like, "Hey want to play a game? I play eldar", they say. "No thanks, I don't have anything that can fight eldar and make it an enjoyable game for both of us", I say. Then we move on.
Which is the same as me just going "Oh you have Space Marines? No thanks I don't want to play. Grav spam sucks".
Which is totally fair. If you don't enjoy playing a game against space marines, then don't play against them. It's really that simple. I wouldn't get upset if someone didn't wan't to play against me because they are still traumatized from the "year of heldrake".
You missed the point a bit. I said the issue was with grav spam. If the person doesn't have grav spam then they've just been told to go somewhere else for no reason.
Been told that, laughed and told him Spaz Mutts don't have access to Grav let alone Grav spam.
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I don't break the rules but I'll bend them as far as they'll go.
I'm making an eldar army with wraithblades instead of wraithguard and dire avengers as troops instead of scatbikes. Is this purposely nerfing my army? Is this BAD? Is this worth not even playing me based on the fact that I'm even playing eldar?
I don't think you should completely disregard any army you 'can never win against' because how else will you learn if you don't try new tactics or army lists? Unless you know they're running a bunch of units you literally cannot touch (imp knights vs your army that you havent bought enough models for yet) I think its just a bad attitude to have.
And constantly changing your army for the meta isn't entirely possible either. Some say the only good ork army is a Zhadsnark bikespam list. I own zero bikes. Do I just sell my army and start over for the new meta? or do I just not even get a right to say anything in the matter because I won't dish out the money for a bike list? Its harder when they're a huge time and money investment into it as well.
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master of ordinance wrote:Pie plates? tradito, no offence mate, but if pieplates scare you in this edition then you may be doing something wrong.
Between wyverns, manticores and leeman russes and the metric feth-ton of pie plates which 1. can shoot across the table and 2. ignore LOS and 3. are often AP 3 or better, an IG army can be pretty intimidating/overwhelming for non-cheesestatic/super-competitive builds.
That's all that I'm saying.
if you're deploying clumped up infantry outside of cover, sure, but then, such a deployment would meet a similar fate against just most armies at this time. IG pieplates arent scaring much of anyone these days, and aren't placing even into contention for finals spots (much less actual placing) at any major event I can recall. You'll get more infantry killing firepower out if a thoroughly middling Eldar army these days.
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Mr_Piddlez wrote: I will now happily refuse a game against eldar no matter the point level, player, or competitiveness of the list, and I'll smile while I do it.
You sound nice.
I'm quite nice, So was the player I played against. Even when he told me that he only plays Elder because he got tired of losing. I didn't hate the guy. I won't play him again, but I don't hate the guy.
I'm just so beat on and bitter that I won't do things that hurt me anymore. I think there is nothing wrong refusing to play against an army that won't let me go to turn two unless they dumb their list down to painfully boring levels. It's not really fair of me to say "I'll only play with you with you if dont play with scatbikes, wraithknight, or d-scythe wraithguard". It effectively invalidates the money they invested in their army and if I spent that much on the cool toys, I'd want to use them too.
So, it's just easier to refuse to play against the army as a whole instead of making someone cripple themselves to the point that it isn't enjoyable.
Mm immediately telling someone you won't play them based on your prejudice and enjoying it. How lovely.
It's not like I froth at the mouth and scream "Never eldar, Never again!" as I start cursing them and their brood as my eyes roll back. The skies darken and someone starts playing a pipe organ. The whole room starts speaking latin backwards as we slowly descend on the eldar player, hobby knives glinting in the now conveniently placed candlelight.
Its more like, "Hey want to play a game? I play eldar", they say. "No thanks, I don't have anything that can fight eldar and make it an enjoyable game for both of us", I say. Then we move on.
Which is the same as me just going "Oh you have Space Marines? No thanks I don't want to play. Grav spam sucks".
Which is totally fair. If you don't enjoy playing a game against space marines, then don't play against them. It's really that simple. I wouldn't get upset if someone didn't wan't to play against me because they are still traumatized from the "year of heldrake".
You missed the point a bit. I said the issue was with grav spam. If the person doesn't have grav spam then they've just been told to go somewhere else for no reason.
I understood your point completely, I fully understand that its possible to play a game without the scatbikes, wraithguard, and wraithknights and you consider it prejudice of me to refuse to a game to any eldar player even if they have none of the previously stated. What I don't understand is why I'm required to play against an army I don't want to play against, otherwise be labeled a no-fun having eldar racist? Most eldar players around here don't even own anything besides scatter bikes for their troop choices. So, me telling them to tone down their list is me basically telling them to go buy guardians or dire avengers just for me. "Go spend money on this unit you wont use, or else I won't play with you" comes off a lot more offensive to me then, "Sorry, I don't play against eldar."
I don't possess the sort of firepower that can match a casual eldar list, so forgive me for not wanting to bring my knife to the gun fight. Instead, I choose to watch from the sidelines and not participate. People tend to forget that this is a game, and when I'm not enjoying it anymore, I'm gonna take my ball and go home. If someone is really THAT angry about me refusing to get beat on for two hours, then they just need to skip the wargaming and go back to burning ants, its more cost effective.
"Because we couldn't be trusted. The Emperor needed a weapon that would never obey its own desires before those of the Imperium. He needed a weapon that would never bite the hand that feeds. The World Eaters were not that weapon. We've all drawn blades purely for the sake of shedding blood, and we've all felt the exultation of winning a war that never even needed to happen. We are not the tame, reliable pets that the Emperor wanted. The Wolves obey, when we would not. The Wolves can be trusted, when we never could. They have discipline we lack, because their passions are not aflame with the Butcher's Nails buzzing in the back of their skulls.
The Wolves will always come to the heel when called. In that regard, it is a mystery why they name themselves wolves. They are tame, collared by the Emperor, obeying his every whim. But a wolf doesn't behave that way. Only a dog does.
That is why we are the Eaters of Worlds, and the War Hounds no longer."
- Eighth Captain Khârn
Which is the same as me just going "Oh you have Space Marines? No thanks I don't want to play. Grav spam sucks".
Grav spam you say? Hah! my army are all wearing T-shirts, you lose.
Grav Spam = All our trukz/vehicles and good units dead or immobilized. boyz running around with t-shirts tend to die to bolter fire and most other weapons en-mass. There is a reason why SM's routinely stomp ork armies into the ground in competitive tournaments.
master of ordinance wrote:Pie plates? tradito, no offence mate, but if pieplates scare you in this edition then you may be doing something wrong.
Between wyverns, manticores and leeman russes and the metric feth-ton of pie plates which 1. can shoot across the table and 2. ignore LOS and 3. are often AP 3 or better, an IG army can be pretty intimidating/overwhelming for non-cheesestatic/super-competitive builds.
That's all that I'm saying.
Wyverns aren't pie plates, LRBT needs LOS and Manticore is AP4. All except the LRBT have comparable armour to a Rhino and many are open topped.
Basilisk is the only IG unit that fits all your criteria, it has a minimum range and is open-topped. If you can't beat that with the most DS happy army in the game then I don't know what to tell you/
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Wyverns dont shoot pieplates and Leman Russ are widely considered to be extremely underpowered whilst Manticores havnt been around since 5th, baring their overpriced IA entry.
Manticores are around. Any model GW sells has rules and there's this manticore/deathstrike dual box.
Wyverns dont shoot pieplates and Leman Russ are widely considered to be extremely underpowered whilst Manticores havnt been around since 5th, baring their overpriced IA entry.
Manticores are around. Any model GW sells has rules and there's this manticore/deathstrike dual box.
Are you confusing it with griffon?
Ah Griffon, thats the one. A great little mortar carrier that time and power creep have sadly left behind.
The Manticore is not that bad to face. its a barrage weapon with a big minimal range that fires D3 shots for 4 turns and is then useless. And it is AP4 to boot.
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Wyverns dont shoot pieplates and Leman Russ are widely considered to be extremely underpowered whilst Manticores havnt been around since 5th, baring their overpriced IA entry.
Manticores are around. Any model GW sells has rules and there's this manticore/deathstrike dual box.
Are you confusing it with griffon?
Ah Griffon, thats the one. A great little mortar carrier that time and power creep have sadly left behind.
The Manticore is not that bad to face. its a barrage weapon with a big minimal range that fires D3 shots for 4 turns and is then useless. And it is AP4 to boot.
AP4 hasn't been that much of issues since everything was getting 4+ or 5+ cover save anyway so lack of AP is lesser issue. 4 turns also is pretty moot point. After turn 4 game is usually over anyway or it's dead anyway.
The minimum is the real killer. Hard to position into safe spot AND have decent area it can cover.
One place where it shines though is apoc. Big huge tables so min range is "whateva" and so many models it's bloody impossible to miss something I think my record has been like 50+ gaunts in one salvo that blunted tyranid counter assault toward ork swarm dead in track. (mwahahaha). And 4 turn is generally 1 or 2 turns too many anyway!
This isn't a weakness. This isn't a drawback. The fact that you need line of sight doesn't somehow make the S8, AP 3, 72 inch range large blast somehow something else.
Manticore is AP4.
S10, up to 120 inch range and ignoring line of sight. 5 inch blast, and you get D3 shots.
I mean, yes, it can't make vehicles explode. But again, that's not a drawback or a weakness.
All except the LRBT have comparable armour to a Rhino and many are open topped.
Basilisk is the only IG unit that fits all your criteria, it has a minimum range and is open-topped
What the feth does it matter? It's not like they are going to be advancing or even will be out in the open. They are going to be parked well out of line of sight, probably underneath a rock or behind a building somewhere.
If I can see your manticore or wyvern to shoot at it, it's because something has gone horribly wrong for you.
If you can't beat that with the most DS happy army in the game then I don't know what to tell you/
Funny, I was under the impression it's Codex: Space Marines.
But for some reason, IG players seem to be under the impression that the cover of the book says Codex: Drop Pods, and practically everyone else seems to be under the impression that the cover of the book says Codex: Gravcannons.
How very strange.
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