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It's all down to your list really.
Min troops to max out elites and fast ? BSF.
MSU fast Razors/Rhinos ? CAD

Even with two tacs in two Rhinos, I'd rather have 4 obj sec than zero. The +1 init so often literally does nothing.

Yeah I have to agree with Martel here the need for I5 just doesn't come around that often but ObjSec has one me a fair few games and points.

As for the knight it does fill a lot of gaps but how much is too much for allies before it becomes a knight army? I would probably stick with one but I do appreciate that you play in a more competitive environment than myself and that may require both.

I'll start with one Warden. Unfortunately, you need three knights to get obj sec, which then becomes a knight list.

Martel732 wrote:
I'll start with one Warden. Unfortunately, you need three knights to get obj sec, which then becomes a knight list.

Let us know how it goes!

In a big enough game, I'd like to try Knights with Archangel Sanguine Wing.

Tested 3 games using the new flyer attack patterns in death from the skies. Huge buff for BA in competitive. It's expensive and slightly stronger with Stormtalons mixed in, but with Dante and air superiority they are coming in turn 2 with a rerollable 2+. Having ignore cover and tank hunter gives them a solid alpha strike and the stormravens get obsec in hover. It's flexible, lets you play cagey or aggresive.

Obsec scouts can jump out while zoming to claim objectives and with the new dreadnought attack changes, having one in the grapple can be useful.

2 Stormravens and a Fireraptor works well, it's pricy but you need a minimum of 3 flyers for the good attack patterns.

We don't use that book.

We can, death from the skies covers all books, including BA. We just cant take stormtalons. Storm Ravens with ignore cover and obsec in hover have a solid alpha strike and good late game.

Remtek wrote:
We can, death from the skies covers all books, including BA. We just cant take stormtalons. Storm Ravens with ignore cover and obsec in hover have a solid alpha strike and good late game.

I think he means his group/club doesn't use it. Nobody in my group has bothered to buy it either at this point.