Crimson slaughter possessed in Favoured of Chaos formation?

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**Slaaneshian**

DaPino wrote:
As someone pointed out to me: even if you could take CS possessed, it wouldn't matter because they only get all 3 effects at the start of the fight sub-phase and they only last until the end of turn.
You don't benefit from the Beast or Shrouded special rules since they won't be automatically activated in your movement phase.

Actually this is wrong. Slaves to the Voices rule changes the period (from the controlling player's turn) as well as the mutation effects.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Galef wrote:
nareik wrote:
CS and BL are CSM faction, aren't they? So you are saying it blends?

That is what I am thinking. Unless CS or BL have some specific rules disallowing it (like you can't mix relics), all units are faction CSM and basically treated as part of the main codex, thus the "supplement" the existing entries.
The only restriction is that the CS only allows certain units to be used for detachments within the CS book. Favoured of Chaos is in the Traitors Hate supplement and uses units from the CSM faction (including CS & BL, that supplement the CSM codex).
I haven't read all the rules, so there may be something I am missing from one of the supplements, but just based on the above, there is no reason that you cannot take CS Possessed along with a CSM DP.

You can't have special Crimson Slaughter possessed unless you make the Detachment specifically a Crimson Slaughter Detachment (the CS rules allow you to make any CSM Detachment a CS Detachment). You can't pick and choose around that. Either the entire Detachment is CS or none of it is.

If you make it a Crimson Slaughter Detachment you can't take any models with VotLW, which means you can't take a Daemon Prince, which means you don't have a legal Formation.

**Roknar**

Read the supplement again. A CSM detachment becomes BOTH a CS AND a csm detachment. Not that it matters much, since both are of the CSM faction. Taking a Vanilla DP and cs possessed leaves you with a formation that consists entirely of faction csm units. Of course presumably, being a CS formation means that all models in it are required to not have VotLW, but that's never actually stated anywhere. The rules only really care about factions. That's being pretty anal though.

**DarknessEternal**

Except that Crimson Slaughter detachments are what gain the Crimson Slaughter rules. Favored of Chaos is not a legal Crimson Slaughter detachment as it contains illegal choices.

You can say that any given model is Crimson Slaughter, but that won't provide him with any of the rules contained in the supplement.

**Roknar**

Being a CS/BL detachment doesn't doing anything per se. But the extra rules in the supplements then apply their effects to all units in those kinds of detachment/formation. So being a CS formation does indeed require you to not have VotLW on all units in that formation.

So I was wrong in saying it isn't stated anywhere. It is, I was just looking in the wrong place. So yea, you can't really mix. You can say you're taking a unit from the vanilla dex and one from the CS supplement, but the CS rules apply to both units regardless. So that vanilla prince still isn't allowed to have VotLW, aka no favoured.

**Reavas**

Roknar wrote:
Read the supplement again. A CSM detachment becomes BOTH a CS AND a csm detachment. Not that it matters much, since both are of the CSM faction. Taking a Vanilla DP and cs possessed leaves you with a formation that consists entirely of faction csm units. Of course presumably, being a CS formation means that all models in it are required to not have VotLW, but that's never actually stated anywhere. The rules only really care about factions. That's being pretty anal though.

Thats like saying SM can take a formation and say "nah, half this formation is ultramarines and the other half is imperial fists. So half the unit benifits from the respective special rules" Sure you could argue that differant formations are from differant factions but you can't split a formation in two thats just silly.

Unfortunatly you can't have a CS daemon prince

**Roknar**

Read my next post

**highwind01**

Is there any rule update/FAQ which allows Belakor to be used in formations instand of a "generic" DP?
Because he is lacking VotLW and therefore should be CS-legal...

**Roknar**

Not that I know of. Seems to me they conveniently forgot about him and cypher. Might even have been intentional, but I would totally allow it. You can switch for any of the other characters after all.

**DaPino**

Slaaneshian wrote:
DaPino wrote:
As someone pointed out to me: even if you could take CS possessed, it wouldn't matter because they only get all 3 effects at the start of the fight sub-phase and they only last until the end of turn.
You don't benefit from the Beast or Shrouded special rules since they won't be automatically activated in your movement phase.

Actually this is wrong. Slaves to the Voices rule changes the period (from the controlling player's turn) as well as the mutation effects.

The CS rules have no impact on the rules in the formation.

Regardless of the Slaves to the voices rule changes in CS, the possessed in the favoured of chaos formation only get all 3 benefits during the fight sub-phase as per the formation rules.

**Rydria**

DaPino wrote:
Slaaneshian wrote:
DaPino wrote:
As someone pointed out to me: even if you could take CS possessed, it wouldn't matter because they only get all 3 effects at the start of the fight sub-phase and they only last until the end of turn.
You don't benefit from the Beast or Shrouded special rules since they won't be automatically activated in your movement phase.

Actually this is wrong. Slaves to the Voices rule changes the period (from the controlling player's turn) as well as the mutation effects.

The CS rules have no impact on the rules in the formation.

Regardless of the Slaves to the voices rule changes in CS, the possessed in the favoured of chaos formation only get all 3 benefits during the fight sub-phase as per the formation rules.

Which is still really good because the effects last until the start of your next turn, so you could in theory rhino rush with 2+ cover saves and when you do get out you would have a 3+ invulnerable save at every point in which that save would matter (during opponents turn and the fight sub phase)

If Bel'lakor can be used as a substitute for Daemon princes, I'd totally try Crimson slaughter rhino rush.