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I dont like KOW at all, and the unit block sizes while making sense as a rules concept takes the choice out of miniatures gaming. If I wanted unit sizes to be in fixed integral units I will go back to hex and chit wargames.

T9A has its flaws but once you get hold of 1.1 and name everything back on an edited copy that you have fixed Warhammer, which is what I am after. and as fixes go its not bad, you can play all the races in 8th fairly and with completion and with those things factions should have but dont due to lack of upgrades, though this mostly applies to Brets.

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 Orlanth wrote:
I dont like KOW at all, and the unit block sizes while making sense as a rules concept takes the choice out of miniatures gaming. If I wanted unit sizes to be in fixed integral units I will go back to hex and chit wargames.

T9A has its flaws but once you get hold of 1.1 and name everything back on an edited copy that you have fixed Warhammer, which is what I am after. and as fixes go its not bad, you can play all the races in 8th fairly and with completion and with those things factions should have but dont due to lack of upgrades, though this mostly applies to Brets.


Pretty much. You can take an 8th edition player and get him up and playing a T9A game in 10 minutes. Mistakes will be made, but overall it's as seamless as you'll get.

I like KoW because it's unit-based approach takes me back to DbA and other historicals, but not removing casualties, not striking back in combat, minimal magic still feels weird.

I'll still play KoW (or AoS) in a pinch, but our group has moved pretty much en masse to T9A. Lack (or small size) of AoS or KoW events doesn't help either.

   
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Gave KOW a solid try. Really did not like it.

Gave 9th a solid try. Really did not like it.

Both are very sterile tournament style games, which do not appeal to me. I think that I like games more in the middle between too random and too sterile, but if I'm having to choose between too random or too sterile I'll go too random just because gameplay will be different from game to game and not the same game played over and over again (which is my main complaint with the end of 6th edition and 7th edition whfb as well as 3rd - 5th 40k)

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My main gripe on 9th age is that it has a similarly steep entrance cost like its predecessor. Making it a bit more lax/expensive points wise would give it a more attendance and attention.
   
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Lord Kragan wrote:
My main gripe on 9th age is that it has a similarly steep entrance cost like its predecessor. Making it a bit more lax/expensive points wise would give it a more attendance and attention.


Last time I was in Barcelona (my in-laws are from there) there were two 1.500pt games (now 3.000) at GTS.

If you use mantic minis (which is a big if) that's 100 euro and some change. Under 200 for most armies.

   
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I like 9th Age. The endless changes (although I think I'm right in saying they've just "frozen" the current rules for 6th months or so) are a pain and have over-fixed something which didn't need to be fixed that much. The initial changes were all beneficial, but in my opinion they were all that's necessary and further amendments have just added more complications and confusions.

That said, if it's just something you'll be playing with your mates, you can easily pick whatever version of their ruleset you like best and use that, and to hell with all the little updates they make after that. It's only when you start going to official events (none of which exist, to my knowledge) where you'll start needing the latest version anyway.

It is a good project though and I'm glad to see it's still going. Sadly it's just not getting enough interest in my area.


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Lord Kragan wrote:My main gripe on 9th age is that it has a similarly steep entrance cost like its predecessor. Making it a bit more lax/expensive points wise would give it a more attendance and attention.


jouso wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
My main gripe on 9th age is that it has a similarly steep entrance cost like its predecessor. Making it a bit more lax/expensive points wise would give it a more attendance and attention.


Last time I was in Barcelona (my in-laws are from there) there were two 1.500pt games (now 3.000) at GTS.

If you use mantic minis (which is a big if) that's 100 euro and some change. Under 200 for most armies.


On an aside, where are you both based in Spain? I'll be in the country over the next sixth months working and wasn't expecting to find any wargaming community there, let alone a 9th age one. As I say, it's rarely played where I am here, so more opportunities to play the game would be great.

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 The Shadow wrote:

On an aside, where are you both based in Spain? I'll be in the country over the next sixth months working and wasn't expecting to find any wargaming community there, let alone a 9th age one. As I say, it's rarely played where I am here, so more opportunities to play the game would be great.


You're much more likely to find a 9th age event in Spain than a AoS or KoW one.

I'm in Salamanca but I travel around quite a lot so if you need links for clubs or events let me know where you'll be staying.

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jouso wrote:
 The Shadow wrote:

On an aside, where are you both based in Spain? I'll be in the country over the next sixth months working and wasn't expecting to find any wargaming community there, let alone a 9th age one. As I say, it's rarely played where I am here, so more opportunities to play the game would be great.


You're much more likely to find a 9th age event in Spain than a AoS or KoW one.

I'm in Salamanca but I travel around quite a lot so if you need links for clubs or events let me know where you'll be staying.

That's good to hear. AoS is pretty huge here and I normally don't have trouble arranging a KoW game, but 9th Age is a rarity so it'd be nice to have a change. I'm going to be in Mostoles, Madrid.

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 The Shadow wrote:
jouso wrote:
 The Shadow wrote:

On an aside, where are you both based in Spain? I'll be in the country over the next sixth months working and wasn't expecting to find any wargaming community there, let alone a 9th age one. As I say, it's rarely played where I am here, so more opportunities to play the game would be great.


You're much more likely to find a 9th age event in Spain than a AoS or KoW one.

I'm in Salamanca but I travel around quite a lot so if you need links for clubs or events let me know where you'll be staying.

That's good to hear. AoS is pretty huge here and I normally don't have trouble arranging a KoW game, but 9th Age is a rarity so it'd be nice to have a change. I'm going to be in Mostoles, Madrid.


In Madrid GTS runs monthly tournaments I think in all three stores. Then there's quimera and a few others but GTS and the Aranjuez (taller de Leonardo) guys are the ones drawing the largest crowds.

Be quick because GTS tourneys tend to fill up within just a few days (there's a yearly league using the monthly tournament results so plenty of people to play with).

For KoW you should ask for Hofferber at the KoW Spain Facebook group and board. The scene is much smaller though but he's doing a great job as pathfinder.

Then for AoS you're pretty much limited to the GWs. I know there's a WhatsApp group but with very low activity and to my knowledge no events for months at a time, all the big stores (GTS, Quimera, etc) gave up running AoS events. The Facebook group is also basically a desert. The only club where the AoS crowd are more or less gathering is the taberna de estalia guys, but don't know them personally. At least here the AoS crowd seems to be for the most part 40k people dipping a toe on AoS or the painter-collector type.

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jouso wrote:
 The Shadow wrote:
jouso wrote:
 The Shadow wrote:

On an aside, where are you both based in Spain? I'll be in the country over the next sixth months working and wasn't expecting to find any wargaming community there, let alone a 9th age one. As I say, it's rarely played where I am here, so more opportunities to play the game would be great.


You're much more likely to find a 9th age event in Spain than a AoS or KoW one.

I'm in Salamanca but I travel around quite a lot so if you need links for clubs or events let me know where you'll be staying.

That's good to hear. AoS is pretty huge here and I normally don't have trouble arranging a KoW game, but 9th Age is a rarity so it'd be nice to have a change. I'm going to be in Mostoles, Madrid.


In Madrid GTS runs monthly tournaments I think in all three stores. Then there's quimera and a few others but GTS and the Aranjuez (taller de Leonardo) guys are the ones drawing the largest crowds.

Be quick because GTS tourneys tend to fill up within just a few days (there's a yearly league using the monthly tournament results so plenty of people to play with).

For KoW you should ask for Hofferber at the KoW Spain Facebook group and board. The scene is much smaller though but he's doing a great job as pathfinder.

Then for AoS you're pretty much limited to the GWs. I know there's a WhatsApp group but with very low activity and to my knowledge no events for months at a time, all the big stores (GTS, Quimera, etc) gave up running AoS events. The Facebook group is also basically a desert. The only club where the AoS crowd are more or less gathering is the taberna de estalia guys, but don't know them personally. At least here the AoS crowd seems to be for the most part 40k people dipping a toe on AoS or the painter-collector type.

Thanks for all the info, very helpful indeed!

Good to hear there's a big tournament scene, I've just had a look on the website (it's Goblintrader, right?) and it does seem like a great set-up. I was mainly looking for the odd pick-up game, though I would be very open to entering tournaments (if I'm honest I wasn't expecting a massive tournament scene). I don't know if language barriers would get in the way of tournaments though - my spanish is decent and will improve while I'm there, but I feel people will have a bit more patience for that kind of thing outside of a tournament.

As an aside, it seems like there's a decent Blood Bowl following too, which is great. I'm loving the new rules and that wouldn't require me to bring many models over.

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 The Shadow wrote:

Thanks for all the info, very helpful indeed!

Good to hear there's a big tournament scene, I've just had a look on the website (it's Goblintrader, right?) and it does seem like a great set-up. I was mainly looking for the odd pick-up game, though I would be very open to entering tournaments (if I'm honest I wasn't expecting a massive tournament scene). I don't know if language barriers would get in the way of tournaments though - my spanish is decent and will improve while I'm there, but I feel people will have a bit more patience for that kind of thing outside of a tournament.

As an aside, it seems like there's a decent Blood Bowl following too, which is great. I'm loving the new rules and that wouldn't require me to bring many models over.


Sure, it's goblintrader (though apparently it seems their 3rd Madrid store is leaves the franchise and will operate independently as Defiance Wargames, Rivas is a bit out of the way for Móstoles anyway). Go visit the store once you're settled and they'll add to you a whatsapp group (first thing to do when you get a Spanish phone is get a data plan and install whatsapp) where you can find games and also will announce tournaments, etc.

Madrid has a big 9th age community, the last TNE in Aranjuez (20 8-man teams, so 160 people) sold out on something like 1h after opening registration, and the singles scene is very active, too.

Language barrier will be there, but if anything 9th age has made a lot of people brush up their English and enough people will want to practise with a native so that it won't be a problem finding players. If you already speak decent Spanish you'll get wargaming-Spanish in minutes. You should find a few expats, too.

   
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9th age being based on 8th edition ruined it for me.

I think 7th edition has the best ruleset, just some books (Daemons, VC, Dark Elves) kinda ruined it.

I really don't like the random charge ranges. I'm okay with it in 40k and AoS, but it just feels wrong with blocks of infantry and flanks you are trying to protect. For something that aspires to be a tournament game, I was surprised they kept it in. I talked to a 9th age player about this (at a KoW tournament) and he said he liked the random charges because it ends stand offs... but I really like the stand offs. I think it's one of the most tactically rewarding parts of the game. Opponents are trying to bait each other to take the first charge or trying to crush each other in other areas. It's great. It's where chaff can really earn it's keep.

I also despise the core, special, rare army construction. Now that I've been away from it for awhile, it feels really restrictive going back.

KoW is the game I always wished fantasy was. It plays quick and is won and lost in movement. The rules are refreshingly streamlined.

Unit basing is amazing. You don't need as many models and there's not WYSIWYG. I always hated equipping my models with some weapon load out, and then realizing I would have preferred something else.

The subtle differences in unit profiles make a huge difference on the table top. While you can't customize lords/heroes to the same degress as Warhammer, you can give any unit magic items. Want your fast cav to breath fire? Go for it. Want your chaff to explode when they die? Don't we all?

Will 9th age succeed? I think it already kinda has. It gave the 8th edition tournament crowd a better game to play. I don't think it will attract many new players though. The barriers to entry are massive, and that was probably one of the reasons 8th failed. The rules are quick for most Warhammer vets to pick up, but it's still pretty heavy for new players.

I think 9th Age is great for the guys that liked 8th. But 8th Edition killed Warhammer Fantasy in my group long before the End Times did.






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 Orlanth wrote:
I dont like KOW at all, and the unit block sizes while making sense as a rules concept takes the choice out of miniatures gaming. If I wanted unit sizes to be in fixed integral units I will go back to hex and chit wargames.


The way I see it, KoW is cutting down on the choices that are not meaningful. You can still select your units in chaff, regular and deathstar sizes, which are meaningful differences. The difference between fielding 16 and 18 dudes is not meaningful. Likewise KoW allows my unit to take a magic item that, for example, gives the entire unit +1 to hit, or +12" range, and these are meaningful choices, while WHFB's differentiation between 3 optional weapon loadouts on the unit champion, affecting 1-2 attack dice out of 10-20, is not meaningful.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Orlanth wrote:
I dont like KOW at all, and the unit block sizes while making sense as a rules concept takes the choice out of miniatures gaming. If I wanted unit sizes to be in fixed integral units I will go back to hex and chit wargames.


The way I see it, KoW is cutting down on the choices that are not meaningful. You can still select your units in chaff, regular and deathstar sizes, which are meaningful differences. The difference between fielding 16 and 18 dudes is not meaningful. Likewise KoW allows my unit to take a magic item that, for example, gives the entire unit +1 to hit, or +12" range, and these are meaningful choices, while WHFB's differentiation between 3 optional weapon loadouts on the unit champion, affecting 1-2 attack dice out of 10-20, is not meaningful.


That existed before. They were magic banners or the way some characters interacted when inside (or within range) of a unit.

I like the WHFB system better.
   
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Gave KOW a solid try. Really did not like it.

Gave 9th a solid try. Really did not like it.

Both are very sterile tournament style games, which do not appeal to me. I think that I like games more in the middle between too random and too sterile, but if I'm having to choose between too random or too sterile I'll go too random just because gameplay will be different from game to game and not the same game played over and over again (which is my main complaint with the end of 6th edition and 7th edition whfb as well as 3rd - 5th 40k)


Have you tried Mayhem? It has a strong "push your luck" mechanic.


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jouso wrote:
 The Shadow wrote:

On an aside, where are you both based in Spain? I'll be in the country over the next sixth months working and wasn't expecting to find any wargaming community there, let alone a 9th age one. As I say, it's rarely played where I am here, so more opportunities to play the game would be great.


You're much more likely to find a 9th age event in Spain than a AoS or KoW one.

I'm in Salamanca but I travel around quite a lot so if you need links for clubs or events let me know where you'll be staying.


It is dependent, though. In the east I found a few more events of the early than the latter. Hell, 9th and KoW have kind of died off here in the catalonian area in these last months, migrating most of them to Fantasy. I know a guy who's playing Chaos Dwarfs' version of AoS using the mantic models (which is a clever move if you ask me) and another that played 9th and is now using high elves' teclis/tyrion combo (AKA: smashfucker in fantasy).

What I've noticed, though, is that they've gone and regressed a bit to "closed" mode. Mainly because the store owners are kind of feeling apathetic (specially the guys from drobbit and goblintrader) about anything in particular and gone and limited themselves do just the store based events. Sure, we got a 30-men campaign going at Drobbit and... what was it? 20-ish tournament at GW's Roger de Lluria (and it was with the restriction of no Order players, as the tournament who would be the "lesser loser" of Season of War) but there's no big publicised events here. You'll see people doing a lot of stuff in-store but a lot of people choose not to tell it to the four winds. Which saddens me and my beloved mawkrusha Mister Bubbles.

Then there's palma where, last time I checked three months ago, they actually almost play only AoS. Valencia has a more prevalent KoW/9th I'll give it to you, but AoS is still there too, and on the grow.

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Lord Kragan wrote:
jouso wrote:
 The Shadow wrote:

On an aside, where are you both based in Spain? I'll be in the country over the next sixth months working and wasn't expecting to find any wargaming community there, let alone a 9th age one. As I say, it's rarely played where I am here, so more opportunities to play the game would be great.


You're much more likely to find a 9th age event in Spain than a AoS or KoW one.

I'm in Salamanca but I travel around quite a lot so if you need links for clubs or events let me know where you'll be staying.


It is dependent, though. In the east I found a few more events of the early than the latter. Hell, 9th and KoW have kind of died off here in the catalonian area in these last months, migrating most of them to Fantasy. I know a guy who's playing Chaos Dwarfs' version of AoS using the mantic models (which is a clever move if you ask me) and another that played 9th and is now using high elves' teclis/tyrion combo (AKA: smashfucker in fantasy).


Dude. As I told you on another thread, my in laws are from Barcelona so I do know the scene right there

GTS holds monthly tournaments, kekolandia does too. Wardracs in Badalona, the Pineda guys also have regular tournaments and there was recently a 60-something singles tournament in, IIRC Sant Cugat. A dozen clubs give or take.

The txinitxi guys are also in Reus.

There's a big enough scene (competitive and casual) in BCN even if they don't set foot on the GWs.

   
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I'm not saying there's not a scene there, I'm saying it's not as strong as it was. And the events have gotten a tad smaller too, but that's a thing that's been happening to all games from what I've gathered.
   
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Lord Kragan wrote:
I'm not saying there's not a scene there, I'm saying it's not as strong as it was. And the events have gotten a tad smaller too, but that's a thing that's been happening to all games from what I've gathered.


Stronger than it was in 8th edition, on a par with late 7th ed. by their account.

Every other weekend there's a tournament somewhere, so even if they are smaller (save for the 3 big 30-tables a year) there are more of them.


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Then there's palma where, last time I checked three months ago, they actually almost play only AoS. Valencia has a more prevalent KoW/9th I'll give it to you, but AoS is still there too, and on the grow.


Missed this before. In Palma 9th age is doing so bad that they're holding an ETC qualifier in spring (80 people).

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jouso wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
I'm not saying there's not a scene there, I'm saying it's not as strong as it was. And the events have gotten a tad smaller too, but that's a thing that's been happening to all games from what I've gathered.


Stronger than it was in 8th edition, on a par with late 7th ed. by their account.

Every other weekend there's a tournament somewhere, so even if they are smaller (save for the 3 big 30-tables a year) there are more of them.


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Then there's palma where, last time I checked three months ago, they actually almost play only AoS. Valencia has a more prevalent KoW/9th I'll give it to you, but AoS is still there too, and on the grow.


Missed this before. In Palma 9th age is doing so bad that they're holding an ETC qualifier in spring (80 people).



Now that we speak about it: monthly tournaments of 9th age on GTS? Dude, the last one they held of 9th age was like on august. And GTS announces their events and they've held about the same number of AoS based events as 9th, which is saying something as the first third of the year was almost a wasteland for AoS (granted this last two months it has lost a bit of steam). Kekolandia outright wants to do a whole month of AoS based events somewhere this spring. Hell, kekolandia opened last month so would you kindly tell me where those monthly tournaments came from??. In so far they've only made ONE tournament and it was 8th edition, not 9th age.

Plus this year palma based groups have held like 2-3 (if smaller) AoS tournaments.

Oh and let's speak of the miniWAAAGH! tournament that you spoke of (the one with 62 particpants you mentioned). So successful it was that the second edition they held managed to father not two, not three, but four times... less people than the original. From 62 in september it went to 14 in novemeber. Both fell on holidays and the latter had the same time preparation as the early.
And the tournament is in Maó, which is Menorca, and is doing so well that, after 4 months, it has barely filled 9 out of 16 teams without restrictions of where are you from.
And here lies number 1 issue. 9th tournaments are organized by the guys who made tournaments for WHFB. That 160-men tournament usually sells fast and in fact had less participation than the previous two years (200 on the V edition). AoS doesn't have that inheritance. Tournaments are starting to properly form up in the UK so it will take a while to properly get wind.

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jouso wrote:
 The Shadow wrote:

Thanks for all the info, very helpful indeed!

Good to hear there's a big tournament scene, I've just had a look on the website (it's Goblintrader, right?) and it does seem like a great set-up. I was mainly looking for the odd pick-up game, though I would be very open to entering tournaments (if I'm honest I wasn't expecting a massive tournament scene). I don't know if language barriers would get in the way of tournaments though - my spanish is decent and will improve while I'm there, but I feel people will have a bit more patience for that kind of thing outside of a tournament.

As an aside, it seems like there's a decent Blood Bowl following too, which is great. I'm loving the new rules and that wouldn't require me to bring many models over.


Sure, it's goblintrader (though apparently it seems their 3rd Madrid store is leaves the franchise and will operate independently as Defiance Wargames, Rivas is a bit out of the way for Móstoles anyway). Go visit the store once you're settled and they'll add to you a whatsapp group (first thing to do when you get a Spanish phone is get a data plan and install whatsapp) where you can find games and also will announce tournaments, etc.

Madrid has a big 9th age community, the last TNE in Aranjuez (20 8-man teams, so 160 people) sold out on something like 1h after opening registration, and the singles scene is very active, too.

Language barrier will be there, but if anything 9th age has made a lot of people brush up their English and enough people will want to practise with a native so that it won't be a problem finding players. If you already speak decent Spanish you'll get wargaming-Spanish in minutes. You should find a few expats, too.

That's all great, thanks jouso. Some solid advice there and sounds like a fantastic scene

Red Viper wrote:I really don't like the random charge ranges. I'm okay with it in 40k and AoS, but it just feels wrong with blocks of infantry and flanks you are trying to protect. For something that aspires to be a tournament game, I was surprised they kept it in. I talked to a 9th age player about this (at a KoW tournament) and he said he liked the random charges because it ends stand offs... but I really like the stand offs. I think it's one of the most tactically rewarding parts of the game. Opponents are trying to bait each other to take the first charge or trying to crush each other in other areas. It's great. It's where chaff can really earn it's keep.

Unit basing is amazing. You don't need as many models and there's not WYSIWYG. I always hated equipping my models with some weapon load out, and then realizing I would have preferred something else.

I disagree on the random charge ranges. I think the posturing is really annoying, and chaff still has its uses even with random charge ranges.

I do really like the unit basing in KoW though, from a modelling point of view. I picked up a couple of Battalions for random armies I didn't play when they first started to go out of stock, and with KoW not strictly needing exactly twenty models for a regiment, I can use some modelling trickery to make them into decent sized armies.

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 Orlanth wrote:
I dont like KOW at all, and the unit block sizes while making sense as a rules concept takes the choice out of miniatures gaming. If I wanted unit sizes to be in fixed integral units I will go back to hex and chit wargames.


The way I see it, KoW is cutting down on the choices that are not meaningful. You can still select your units in chaff, regular and deathstar sizes, which are meaningful differences. The difference between fielding 16 and 18 dudes is not meaningful. Likewise KoW allows my unit to take a magic item that, for example, gives the entire unit +1 to hit, or +12" range, and these are meaningful choices, while WHFB's differentiation between 3 optional weapon loadouts on the unit champion, affecting 1-2 attack dice out of 10-20, is not meaningful.

There's still a lot of meaning to many of those options though. Whilst taking a champion only granted you an extra attack, it was often really useful for absorbing challenges if you had a character in that unit that you don't necessarily want stuck in a challenge. Whether that 10 points would be worth it for such a benefit (and if so, on what units) was an important tactical decision. Again, being almost completely flexible with how many models are in a unit comes with tactical choices; you can change your frontage based upon whether you wanted the unit to be more defensively or offensively orientated, and to what degree. For that reason you'd often see units taken in "random" numbers of 14, 21, etc. Whilst I do like the unit system for modelling, simplicity and convenience reasons as I mentioned above, I do miss the customisability of WHFB when I'm playing KoW. Even with the magic items (which again, I really like), it's just not quite on the same level.

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Oh and let's speak of the miniWAAAGH! tournament that you spoke of (the one with 62 particpants you mentioned). So successful it was that the second edition they held managed to father not two, not three, but four times... less people than the original. From 62 in september it went to 14 in novemeber. Both fell on holidays and the latter had the same time preparation as the early.
And the tournament is in Maó, which is Menorca, and is doing so well that, after 4 months, it has barely filled 9 out of 16 teams without restrictions of where are you from.
And here lies number 1 issue. 9th tournaments are organized by the guys who made tournaments for WHFB. That 160-men tournament usually sells fast and in fact had less participation than the previous two years (200 on the V edition). AoS doesn't have that inheritance. Tournaments are starting to properly form up in the UK so it will take a while to properly get wind.


160 people because of space constraints. 30 teams registered on the first 2h, but they had to refund them (http://etc-spain.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2072)

Same for the waagh tournaments. Every 2-3 months they hold a miniwaagh that's limited to 14 people because they play it on a store, and every september they hold the big Waagh on a pavillion they get for the whole weekend where they run it up to 60-something along with 40K, BB and infinity.

The whatsapp group tells me almost every weekend there's something going on. Be it in Pineda, Sabadell, Cerdanyola, Sant Cugat, Badalona or at any of the BCN clubs or stores.

The ETC qualifier is held jointly between the Menorca and Mallorca associations (actually most of the terrain pieces will come from Mallorca) and they had to split it with another qualifier in Valencia because they couldn't accomodate enough people.

By all accounts, the scene is bigger than it ever was. Since I'm old enough to have been there back in 6th a 15-table tournament was big. Now you have several 30 and 50-table tournaments each year.

That the tournament scene moved en masse to 9th is a poor excuse. They could have moved to KoW, AoS or any of the other fantasy systems like it's happened in other places. By all accounts AoS has a tournament scene in the UK. In Spain it has nothing but a few isolated holdouts. How many people have the biggest AoS event in Spain brough so far? 10 people? 20?

   
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And you've got that those events have been running around for years and years. Simple as that. They have the participation of the die-hards of always. I'm not really buying it's stronger than ever, but rather it's just that people are making loud noise and dusted off their asses to be more active, not because there's an influx of new blood.

Because AoS didn't build up a competitive system until mid-year (nor was really the need to, honestly, it was OK as it was for what I do). All the tournaments were made by fans who insisted in making it competitive but really the game's balance is (well, was now with GHB into the picture) to begin with focused on its narrative scenarios. Last time I checked there were not tournaments of WHFB during its first edition. Meanwhile you have 9th age which is basically a new iteration for WHFB's system. Where do you think the competitive elements will go? To the narrative oriented game or the new iteration of the game their competitive system was based on? And do you honestly think they'll change systems after, what, 8-10 months, if they are given half a chance to NOT do so? Get real, almost a year is a big difference.

As far as I know, it's been around 40 in Valencia, around 3-dozen in Barcelona, followed by plenty of 30-ish men events in the later. Both sub-regional events with no onecoordinating state-grade tournaments (like the TNE) or anything big. Curiously enough the threads in 9th age publicizing the spanish tournaments do the same turn-out more or less for the "regular" events. Because there hasn't been a great deal of interest into it, and I hope it doesn't. Tournaments where OK but I can totally see it turn sour.

Yeah, such "few isolated hold-outs" like both Goblin trader North/south madrid (nice sylvaneth army on the latter). The north store sure does have plenty of battles regarding AoS despite it being, to paraphrase "nearly exclusive to GW stores"

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As far as I know, it's been around 40 in Valencia, around 3-dozen in Barcelona, followed by plenty of 30-ish men events in the later. Both sub-regional events with no onecoordinating state-grade tournaments (like the TNE) or anything big. Curiously enough the threads in 9th age publicizing the spanish tournaments do the same turn-out more or less for the "regular" events. Because there hasn't been a great deal of interest into it, and I hope it doesn't. Tournaments where OK but I can totally see it turn sour.

Yeah, such "few isolated hold-outs" like both Goblin trader North/south madrid (nice sylvaneth army on the latter). The north store sure does have plenty of battles regarding AoS despite it being, to paraphrase "nearly exclusive to GW stores"


Where in Valencia was that? There's no way they can fit on the tiny GW with a single table, and neither la roca or mundo forja have done any AoS tourney.

Again, GTS in Madrid gave up holding AoS tournaments. Norte did one in August with the GH release and since less than 10 people showed up they haven't held one again. On Sur they tried in October and only 6 people showed up.

Compare with monthly tournaments on both stores, plus league, team and Norte vs Sur events. Not to mention that 9th age events take up the whole bunker (32) while those two temptative AoS events were only for 16 (and didn't manage to fill, while 9th usually fill up). And if you ever find yourself in Madrid and want to have a look around you'll see a few people in their late teens or early 20s taking up 9th age (our own club in Salamanca has 3 of them). That's why I directed the future Madrid resident to

In the end people play what they see people playing.

But I don't think people want to read on the details of the Spanish tournament scene, I just hope to have proved this statement of yours:

It is dependent, though. In the east I found a few more events of the early than the latter. Hell, 9th and KoW have kind of died off here in the catalonian area in these last months, migrating most of them to Fantasy.


Is really far from the truth.

   
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jouso wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:

As far as I know, it's been around 40 in Valencia, around 3-dozen in Barcelona, followed by plenty of 30-ish men events in the later. Both sub-regional events with no onecoordinating state-grade tournaments (like the TNE) or anything big. Curiously enough the threads in 9th age publicizing the spanish tournaments do the same turn-out more or less for the "regular" events. Because there hasn't been a great deal of interest into it, and I hope it doesn't. Tournaments where OK but I can totally see it turn sour.

Yeah, such "few isolated hold-outs" like both Goblin trader North/south madrid (nice sylvaneth army on the latter). The north store sure does have plenty of battles regarding AoS despite it being, to paraphrase "nearly exclusive to GW stores"


Where in Valencia was that? There's no way they can fit on the tiny GW with a single table, and neither la roca or mundo forja have done any AoS tourney.

Again, GTS in Madrid gave up holding AoS tournaments. Norte did one in August with the GH release and since less than 10 people showed up they haven't held one again. On Sur they tried in October and only 6 people showed up.

Compare with monthly tournaments on both stores, plus league, team and Norte vs Sur events. Not to mention that 9th age events take up the whole bunker (32) while those two temptative AoS events were only for 16 (and didn't manage to fill, while 9th usually fill up). And if you ever find yourself in Madrid and want to have a look around you'll see a few people in their late teens or early 20s taking up 9th age (our own club in Salamanca has 3 of them). That's why I directed the future Madrid resident to

In the end people play what they see people playing.

But I don't think people want to read on the details of the Spanish tournament scene, I just hope to have proved this statement of yours:

It is dependent, though. In the east I found a few more events of the early than the latter. Hell, 9th and KoW have kind of died off here in the catalonian area in these last months, migrating most of them to Fantasy.


Is really far from the truth.



Still going to see how things fare. The yanks and aussies are starting to make their competitive scene now, having shortly started the tournaments in late october as early as I know. I'm saying only from what I've seen on the LGS's I've gone, not gone and run polls, so mayhaps I'm not meetting up with them as much, and that I've met twice as many people take AoS rather than 9th, but then again I don't have all the data and I'm possibly skewed. specially considering the last.

As far as I'm concerned I've never had issues finding a table and people to play the game, which is something that should concern any tt player, be they users of 9th, KoW or whatevs. Which was originally my point before I got it derailed to kingdom come. It's not some "isolated holdout."
   
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Lord Kragan wrote:
. I'm saying only from what I've seen on the LGS's I've gone, not gone and run polls, so mayhaps I'm not meetting up with them as much, and that I've met twice as many people take AoS rather than 9th, but then again I don't have all the data and I'm possibly skewed. specially considering the last."


Evidently you are. And since I play all three games (yes, even AoS) in multiple locations I'm happy to correct your partial view.

There's nothing wrong about AoS as a system. It's just much smaller than 9th in this neck of the woods.


   
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jouso wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
. I'm saying only from what I've seen on the LGS's I've gone, not gone and run polls, so mayhaps I'm not meetting up with them as much, and that I've met twice as many people take AoS rather than 9th, but then again I don't have all the data and I'm possibly skewed. specially considering the last."


Evidently you are. And since I play all three games (yes, even AoS) in multiple locations I'm happy to correct your partial view.

There's nothing wrong about AoS as a system. It's just much smaller than 9th in this neck of the woods.




Considering I've been holed up this last three months into 3-5 stores around I'm definitely. Still, gonna say it's doing a-Ok for a first year and a half.

Just out of curiosity, which is your army(ies)?
   
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Just out of curiosity, which is your army(ies)?


9th/8th/whateverhammer/AoS: TK, HE, DoC, O&G, VC. Sold skaven and most empire that I could not use for KoW.

The only minis sitting on rounds are a few DoC leftover from my 40k days (what little AoS we play is as originally conceived, no points, mostly narrative and don't bother with base sizes)

For KoW I play basileans. And I'm building a terracotta army exclusively for 9th using Han Chinese minis.

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On an Express Elevator to Hell!!

There are now quick start rules downloadable from the 9th age website, well worth checking out.

 
   
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 Pacific wrote:
There are now quick start rules downloadable from the 9th age website, well worth checking out.


Worth necro-ing a 3 months abandoned thread?
   
 
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