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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Um... There are several professional cosplayers that get paid for what they do.

What is "several", and what is "paid"? Who are they paid by? If there are even a handful of people actually making a living dressing up at conventions, I would be surprised (or our ideas of what making a living is is dramatically different).

I'm sure there are cosplay people who sell their manufactured items, but since all of them are based on someone else's intellectual property, I doubt there are many actually making a real living out there beyond the underground subculture level.

Are the "several" cosplay people you claim are making a living doing cosplay also working in movies and TV, or do they have other day jobs? Because there are thousands upon thousands of people who make a good living doing FX and costumes for movies and TV. That's a fact.

I really don't see your point. I was the one saying that the good cosplayers should try to break into film and TV FX and costuming.

 LemanRuse wrote:
Many cosplay people could turn their hobby into a paycheck though by doing it in movies and TV. I would imagine that cosplay people, if they are really good, have a better chance of breaking into their industry than writers, artists, and musicians. Are you actually saying that would be a bad thing, to make a living doing what you love to do as a hobby.

It is, potentially, and depending on what kind of person you are it might not even be possible.

I do a bit of woodworking here and there. I'm no time-served master carpenter, but I can cut a tight mortice or bang out a decent table when I need to, and I enjoy doing it too. I'm probably quick enough and skilled enough that I could get a job doing it if I tried - but I'd never dream of doing that, largely because I imagine spending every day planing and cutting stuff to someone else's spec would get boring very quickly. Moreover, I can't force myself to give much of a gak about anything that doesn't excite me, which makes me borderline useless to employers.

I'd imagine cosplay makers (and writers, and musicians, and people who develop computer games or build robots in their spare time) would avoid turning their hobby into a career for similar reasons.

I'm not saying that's the only way it can end, mind you. I know plenty of people who've turned hobbies into careers - I have friends who'd probably die if they ever had to stop fiddling with cars, an uncle who started mucking about with boats as a kid and ended up skippering a prawn trawler for 20 years, a couple of friends who were mad fitness buffs and are now personal trainers, etc etc. It **can** be done, but there are reasons some people might not want to do it.

 BBAP wrote:

 LemanRuse wrote:
Many cosplay people could turn their hobby into a paycheck though by doing it in movies and TV. I would imagine that cosplay people, if they are really good, have a better chance of breaking into their industry than writers, artists, and musicians. Are you actually saying that would be a bad thing, to make a living doing what you love to do as a hobby.

It is, potentially, and depending on what kind of person you are it might not even be possible.

I do a bit of woodworking here and there. I'm no time-served master carpenter, but I can cut a tight mortice or bang out a decent table when I need to, and I enjoy doing it too. I'm probably quick enough and skilled enough that I could get a job doing it if I tried - but I'd never dream of doing that, largely because I imagine spending every day planing and cutting stuff to someone else's spec would get boring very quickly. Moreover, I can't force myself to give much of a gak about anything that doesn't excite me, which makes me borderline useless to employers.

I'd imagine cosplay makers (and writers, and musicians, and people who develop computer games or build robots in their spare time) would avoid turning their hobby into a career for similar reasons.

I'm not saying that's the only way it can end, mind you. I know plenty of people who've turned hobbies into careers - I have friends who'd probably die if they ever had to stop fiddling with cars, an uncle who started mucking about with boats as a kid and ended up skippering a prawn trawler for 20 years, a couple of friends who were mad fitness buffs and are now personal trainers, etc etc. It **can** be done, but there are reasons some people might not want to do it.

I understand your point.

It has a lot to do with the person, and what they want out of life, or perhaps more importantly, how they need to compartmentalize their life to maintain their happiness, individuality, comfort, contentment, and sanity.

 LemanRuse wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Um... There are several professional cosplayers that get paid for what they do.

What is "several", and what is "paid"? Who are they paid by? If there are even a handful of people actually making a living dressing up at conventions, I would be surprised (or our ideas of what making a living is is dramatically different).

I'm sure there are cosplay people who sell their manufactured items, but since all of them are based on someone else's intellectual property, I doubt there are many actually making a real living out there beyond the underground subculture level.

Are the "several" cosplay people you claim are making a living doing cosplay also working in movies and TV, or do they have other day jobs? Because there are thousands upon thousands of people who make a good living doing FX and costumes for movies and TV. That's a fact.

I really don't see your point. I was the one saying that the good cosplayers should try to break into film and TV FX and costuming.

Anime culture has a huge cosplay culture and they'll straight up hire people to cosplay certain characters at events. I'm not very into it but I have friends who are, and from the way they talk it's not a bad living.

Video game companies will also pay people to cosplay. Also, many cosplayers make money off autographs, taking photos with you, etc.

I have no idea if they get rich or not, but I do know its a thing. Also, don't many conventions have costume contests?


As for the pic, I'm not a big eldar fan, but it seems very well done. They did a great job with the photos too, that always goes a long way towards "selling" a good cosplay.

 LemanRuse wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Um... There are several professional cosplayers that get paid for what they do.

What is "several", and what is "paid"? Who are they paid by? If there are even a handful of people actually making a living dressing up at conventions, I would be surprised (or our ideas of what making a living is is dramatically different).

I'm sure there are cosplay people who sell their manufactured items, but since all of them are based on someone else's intellectual property, I doubt there are many actually making a real living out there beyond the underground subculture level.

Are the "several" cosplay people you claim are making a living doing cosplay also working in movies and TV, or do they have other day jobs? Because there are thousands upon thousands of people who make a good living doing FX and costumes for movies and TV. That's a fact.

I really don't see your point. I was the one saying that the good cosplayers should try to break into film and TV FX and costuming.

"Several" is a few hundred.
"Paid" is the gaining of money.
Some of them have day jobs. Usually as models. Some just sell prints of themselves.

Jesicca Nigri (the girl who started "sexy pikachu") sells her prints but is also hired for voice acting. She is now the official live action Sonico. Her entire career is built off of being noticed at a con. Kinda like Pam Anderson being seen on a teleprompter at a football game.
JNA is the famous "Saint Celestine" and "Sister Repentia" (she also cosplays as Wonder Woman, Silk and Lady Deadpool among others). She and her husband (Punk Spider Man) get paid to attend events and judge other cosplays.
Vera Bambi (who has done some soft-porn) is the infamous "Naught Princess Peach" and basically pays her way with cam subscriptions and modelsing work.
Star... Starfethed* (Not her actually FB title*) is a european fetish model who wants very much to get involved in cosplay. She's done a few Batgirl things I think but she really liked my suggestion of a Dark Eldar wych.

 DeffDred wrote:

 LemanRuse wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Um... There are several professional cosplayers that get paid for what they do.

What is "several", and what is "paid"? Who are they paid by? If there are even a handful of people actually making a living dressing up at conventions, I would be surprised (or our ideas of what making a living is is dramatically different).

I'm sure there are cosplay people who sell their manufactured items, but since all of them are based on someone else's intellectual property, I doubt there are many actually making a real living out there beyond the underground subculture level.

Are the "several" cosplay people you claim are making a living doing cosplay also working in movies and TV, or do they have other day jobs? Because there are thousands upon thousands of people who make a good living doing FX and costumes for movies and TV. That's a fact.

I really don't see your point. I was the one saying that the good cosplayers should try to break into film and TV FX and costuming.

"Several" is a few hundred.
"Paid" is the gaining of money.
Some of them have day jobs. Usually as models. Some just sell prints of themselves.

Jesicca Nigri (the girl who started "sexy pikachu") sells her prints but is also hired for voice acting. She is now the official live action Sonico. Her entire career is built off of being noticed at a con. Kinda like Pam Anderson being seen on a teleprompter at a football game.
JNA is the famous "Saint Celestine" and "Sister Repentia" (she also cosplays as Wonder Woman, Silk and Lady Deadpool among others). She and her husband (Punk Spider Man) get paid to attend events and judge other cosplays.
Vera Bambi (who has done some soft-porn) is the infamous "Naught Princess Peach" and basically pays her way with cam subscriptions and modelsing work.
Star... Starfethed* (Not her actually FB title*) is a european fetish model who wants very much to get involved in cosplay. She's done a few Batgirl things I think but she really liked my suggestion of a Dark Eldar wych.

"Paid" as in how much are they being paid to play dress up? I mean, c'mon. Do you honestly think I don't know what the word paid means?

And it's not like there are major conventions every week. The vast majority of cosplay people are not making any money, much less making a living at cosplay. They are just spending it, buying pieces for their costumes and going to conventions. There is more money to be made as a clown performing at children's birthday parties than there is in cosplay. It's no different than people who paint miniatures. Sure there are a handful of people out there who make money doing it, but the vast majority are not. And I would wager that the money being made could hardly be considered making a living, unless we are talking Eavy metal team, and from what I hear, they aren't exactly raking the dough in either.

But to the point I was trying to make before everyone decided to white knight for cosplay, is that if cosplay people used their skills at FX and costuming to work in film and TV, they could make a decent living through something that began as a hobby.

And I'm sure they're all grateful for your sage wisdom.

 LemanRuse wrote:

But to the point I was trying to make before everyone decided to white knight for cosplay, is that if cosplay people used their skills at FX and costuming to work in film and TV, they could make a decent living through something that began as a hobby.

Except, as has already been said, they couldn't. Or at least they couldn't in my opinion. Piss-poor job security, 20 hour work days, and annoying unions all wrapped up with below min-wage take home.. And that's before you factor in the whole "losing the freedom to work on what they please" factor. FX is going to be them fitting a mold and doing as they're told, not deciding what they want to create / be work on next and choosing for themselves. Doing that kind of work, based on what your hobby is, is actually a great way to ruin the hobby and suck all the enjoyment out of it. That doesn't sound like a decent living to me, but maybe your standards are wildly different from mine.

You're right that most of them, even the ones who earn money, probably aren't actually turning much of a profit.. But even if all they do is 'break even' on their hobby then that's freaking fantastic. Who here wouldn't be happy to earn all their wargaming investment money back, making their hobby cost nothing but time even if they never turned a profit?

Taking ones hobby and turning it into a career / fulltime job, or even a part-time money maker as well, runs the serious risk of sapping all enjoyment from the hobby.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 LemanRuse wrote:

But to the point I was trying to make before everyone decided to white knight for cosplay, is that if cosplay people used their skills at FX and costuming to work in film and TV, they could make a decent living through something that began as a hobby.

Except, as has already been said, they couldn't. Or at least they couldn't in my opinion. Piss-poor job security, 20 hour work days, and annoying unions all wrapped up with below min-wage take home.. And that's before you factor in the whole "losing the freedom to work on what they please" factor. FX is going to be them fitting a mold and doing as they're told, not deciding what they want to create / be work on next and choosing for themselves. Doing that kind of work, based on what your hobby is, is actually a great way to ruin the hobby and suck all the enjoyment out of it. That doesn't sound like a decent living to me, but maybe your standards are wildly different from mine.

You're right that most of them, even the ones who earn money, probably aren't actually turning much of a profit.. But even if all they do is 'break even' on their hobby then that's freaking fantastic. Who here wouldn't be happy to earn all their wargaming investment money back, making their hobby cost nothing but time even if they never turned a profit?

Taking ones hobby and turning it into a career / fulltime job, or even a part-time money maker as well, runs the serious risk of sapping all enjoyment from the hobby.

Yeah, movies and TV is only a multi-billion dollar a year industry. I'm sure there are no stable jobs in SFX and costuming. Never mind the many thousands of people who work behind the scenes from grips to makeup who make good livings. But I guess your "opinion" somehow magically trumps reality.

20 hour work week at minimum wage? That's just not reality. Try 80 hour work weeks at whatever scale is for the specific job (plus medical benefits) which I guarantee you is a hell of a lot more than minimum wage. The production of a movie involves long hours with lots of prep work.

It's obvious that you and the other people spouting such nonsense have no real concept of what you are talking about.

I've never encountered so many unrealistic people who somehow think it is a bad thing or impossible (according to your enlightened opinion) to make a living doing the hobby you love, especially when it comes to costumes and SFX.

It's just immature to think that way. I guess according to your logic, Tom Savini and Greg Nicotero are sell-outs for turning their hobbies into careers. And yes, it began as a cosplay hobby for them (not that the word cosplay existed back then).

Sorry I offended all of you white knights for suggesting that cosplayers should try to take their skills and get into movies and tv. What a horrible person I must be to suggest such a thing.

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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
And I'm sure they're all grateful for your sage wisdom.

Nah, they are too busy talking about how they don't want to sell out the purity of their "art" by making a living doing it in movies and tv. This thread has done a great job of reminding me why I find cosplay people so annoying.

LOL

 LemanRuse wrote:
Nah, they are too busy talking about how they don't want to sell out the purity of their "art" by making a living doing it in movies and tv. This thread has done a great job of reminding me why I find cosplay people so annoying.

I'm sure they care deeply about your opinion of them. Perhaps not as much as you care about your opinion of them, but still.

 LemanRuse wrote:


But to the point I was trying to make before everyone decided to white knight for cosplay, is that if cosplay people used their skills at FX and costuming to work in film and TV, they could make a decent living through something that began as a hobby.

Everyone fething understood your point, neck beard. No reason to say it 15 fething times.

Maybe she's a fething nurse and gets satisfaction working with sick people. She does this on the side?

Maybe she lives in fething Iowa. How many TV and film FX jobs are in fething Iowa?

Or maybe you should go back to playing WOW in your mom's basement until you mature a bit more.


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 LemanRuse wrote:

Nah, they are too busy talking about how they don't want to sell out the purity of their "art" by making a living doing it in movies and tv. This thread has done a great job of reminding me why I find cosplay people so annoying.

This thread has also reminded me of why I don't "hang out" in FLGS's. There is always some opinionated neck beard with no job, skills, or education that is an expert in all manner of topics.

And my expert, I mean completely full of gak.

 BBAP wrote:

 LemanRuse wrote:
Nah, they are too busy talking about how they don't want to sell out the purity of their "art" by making a living doing it in movies and tv. This thread has done a great job of reminding me why I find cosplay people so annoying.

I'm sure they care deeply about your opinion of them. Perhaps not as much as you care about your opinion of them, but still.

My opinion of cosplayers really doesn't matter. It's not like I was trying to talk anyone out of doing it. I really don't go to conventions anymore, so I don't have to deal with them.

I was merely giving a suggestion that they could make a living doing their hobby for movies and tv, and I guess that offended some people, and prompted other people to tell me that they would be selling out to do so, or that there really weren't any opportunities to make a living doing SFX and costumes in movies and tv (which is total BS).

Hey, whatever people find that makes them happy (and as long as it doesn't hurt other people) is their business.

I really don't understand why people feel the need to white knight cosplayers due to my statements. Other than calling them annoying (which is my opinion formed from personal experience), I was actually paying them (at least the talented ones) a lot of respect and encouraging them to find avenues where they could make a living designing costumes.

God forbid anyone has positive real-world advice for someone else.

 LemanRuse wrote:


I really don't understand why people feel the need to white knight cosplayers due to my statements.

People that disagree with you aren't automatically white knights. Perhaps you're just full of gak?

 LemanRuse wrote:


God forbid anyone has positive real-world advice for someone else.

Said every fething know-it-all, no job having, neck beard ever.

Thanks for "keeping it real."

 kronk wrote:

 LemanRuse wrote:


But to the point I was trying to make before everyone decided to white knight for cosplay, is that if cosplay people used their skills at FX and costuming to work in film and TV, they could make a decent living through something that began as a hobby.

Everyone fething understood your point, neck beard. No reason to say it 15 fething times.

Maybe she's a fething nurse and gets satisfaction working with sick people. She does this on the side?

Maybe she lives in fething Iowa. How many TV and film FX jobs are in fething Iowa?

Or maybe you should go back to playing WOW in your mom's basement until you mature a bit more.


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 LemanRuse wrote:

Nah, they are too busy talking about how they don't want to sell out the purity of their "art" by making a living doing it in movies and tv. This thread has done a great job of reminding me why I find cosplay people so annoying.

This thread has also reminded me of why I don't "hang out" in FLGS's. There is always some opinionated neck beard with no job, skills, or education that is an expert in all manner of topics.

And my expert, I mean completely full of gak.

Neckbeard?

LOL

That's the first time I've ever been called that.

Did I trigger you, snowflake? Such hostility. I must have hit a nerve.

So what makes your opinion superior to mine?

I could tell you what degrees I have, and what I do for a living, but why ruin the fun? It might trigger you again. Keep hiding in mommy's basement so you don't get triggered by opinions at your FLGS. And you might want to stop going to internet forums as well. Seems like you are a little too fragile to deal with it. God forbid you have to listen to opinions you don't agree with. The horror!

LOL

Also, people do move for employment. I did. The whole Iowa thing sounds like the excuse given by an underage minor without a driver's license or car. There's a big world out there. Sometimes you have to move to get to the opportunities. That's the real world, snowflake.

Exactly how a know-it-all neckbeard would reply. To the letter.

Thanks for the validation.

 kronk wrote:
Exactly how a know-it-all neckbeard would reply. To the letter.

Thanks for the validation.

LOL

I'm guessing you are around 16 years old.

This is fun seeing how triggered you are. Throwing a nice little tantrum, hurling insults, and pretending you are a tough guy adult.

The real world is going to eat your lunch.

Hilarity aside from the roasting back and forth (kronk well played) this costume is stellar and the model looks amazing supporting that gear. Kudos to the designer. Let's just state the obvious for what it's worth and leave it at this costume is well done and perfectly captures the same look from the DOW3 video to a T.
Excellent.

skycapt44 wrote:
Hilarity aside from the roasting back and forth (kronk well played) this costume is stellar and the model looks amazing supporting that gear. Kudos to the designer. Let's just state the obvious for what it's worth and leave it at this costume is well done and perfectly captures the same look from the DOW3 video to a T.
Excellent.

I agree. It's incredibly well done.

 LemanRuse wrote:
Did I trigger you, snowflake? Such hostility. I must have hit a nerve.

... it's going to be one of those kind of threads, isn't it?


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Hilarity aside from the roasting back and forth (kronk well played) this costume is stellar and the model looks amazing supporting that gear. Kudos to the designer. Let's just state the obvious for what it's worth and leave it at this costume is well done and perfectly captures the same look from the DOW3 video to a T.
Excellent.

QFT.

 BBAP wrote:

I'd imagine cosplay makers (and writers, and musicians, and people who develop computer games or build robots in their spare time) would avoid turning their hobby into a career for similar reasons.

Check out ebay sometime. In fact, search for "Stormtrooper armor" and "Star Trek Uniform". There are a lot of cosplayers that also make costumes for $$$. No idea if it's just a side business or full time. Most likely just cash on the side.

I've purchased a Stormtrooper costume, Star Wars Imperial Officer costume, and Admiral Kirk costume over the years for picking up chicks at GenCon, AdeptiCon, and family reunions.

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 LemanRuse wrote:
Did I trigger you, snowflake? Such hostility. I must have hit a nerve.

... it's going to be one of those kind of threads, isn't it?.

Some people are just really touchy when it's pointed out that they're both amazingly ignorant and full of gak. When someone as thin-skinned as Lemanruse gets called out for it, you're not going to get a rational response. [cue previous quotes in the thread.]

C'est la vie.

 Bookwrack wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

 LemanRuse wrote:
Did I trigger you, snowflake? Such hostility. I must have hit a nerve.

... it's going to be one of those kind of threads, isn't it?.

Some people are just really touchy when it's pointed out that they're both amazingly ignorant and full of gak. When someone as thin-skinned as Lemanruse gets called out for it, you're not going to get a rational response. [cue previous quotes in the thread.]

C'est la vie.

I think you have me confused with kronk.

He's the one that got bent out of shape and started calling me names like "neckbeard" (such a lame, hipster insult) and making immature accusations about how uneducated and unemployed I am.

And what exactly am I ignorant and full of gak about? I gave an opinion and a suggestion.

Here's what I said in the thread:

"I find cosplayers annoying, but that banshee costume looks cool."

"Talented cosplayers could probably make a living in movies and doing SFX and costumes."

I guess those words triggered kronk and a few others, so he started flaming me.

Kind of immature, but no big deal. It's not like I take anything said on an internet forum seriously.

 kronk wrote:
Check out ebay sometime. In fact, search for "Stormtrooper armor" and "Star Trek Uniform". There are a lot of cosplayers that also make costumes for $$$. No idea if it's just a side business or full time. Most likely just cash on the side.

Sure, but there's a big difference between making a career out of your hobby and earning a few quid on the side punting your handiwork.

Well, yeah. I get that. I'm not aware of people that rely on costumes for 100% of their income, unless they're married to someone with a "regular" job. Perhaps they are out there. Dunno.

It's a time consuming process, I would imagine.

 LemanRuse wrote:
Here's what I said in the thread:

"I find cosplayers annoying, but that banshee costume looks cool."

"Talented cosplayers could probably make a living in movies and doing SFX and costumes."

I guess those words triggered kronk and a few others, so he started flaming me.

That's a rather... abbreviated iteration of what you've actually said thus far, one which ignores the supercilliousness, self regard and name-calling you've engaged in. Doesn't excuse the flaming, mind you - but you could always report it instead of agitating.

 kronk wrote:
Well, yeah. I get that. I'm not aware of people that rely on costumes for 100% of their income, unless they're married to someone with a "regular" job. Perhaps they are out there. Dunno.

It's a time consuming process, I would imagine.

Besides people who do it professionally for movies and TV?

They make a really good living designing cosplay for film and TV. True, there are long hours, and a lot of travel, and you will likely need to relocate to LA, Atlanta, Toronto, or one of the other burgeoning film markets. But hey, passionate people run down their opportunities. No?

Which makes me wonder why you got so pissed off at my suggestion that people who are truly talented and passionate about cosplay should try to break into the industry on a professional level, and turn their hobby into a real job. Seems like that would be a dream come true.

Why the hostility, bro?





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 LemanRuse wrote:
Here's what I said in the thread:

"I find cosplayers annoying, but that banshee costume looks cool."

"Talented cosplayers could probably make a living in movies and doing SFX and costumes."

I guess those words triggered kronk and a few others, so he started flaming me.

That's a rather... abbreviated iteration of what you've actually said thus far, one which ignores the supercilliousness, self regard and name-calling you've engaged in. Doesn't excuse the flaming, mind you - but you could always report it instead of agitating.

I think that was a pretty succinct representation of what I said. And it was my opinions and suggestions that agitated people. I really don't feel responsible for people getting agitated at my honest opinions and suggestions. It's not like I was trolling the thread, trying to piss people off. I stand by my posts. Yes, I find the average cosplayer annoying, but I respect the really talented ones, and I think it would be cool to see them making a living doing it for movies and tv.

Nah, I see no need to report someone for something as silly as this. Life is too short to get pissed off at what people say on an internet forum. And my skin is not that thin.

Water under the bridge.

Something about the second picture isn't right.
Might just be a touch up but something has been done with a computer.
As for the part about turning cosplay (or any creative hobby for that matter) into money it is achievable but you're competing for the buck with other people who do the same and your target market make their own. Chasing the dream to Hollywood you find out that only the costume designers make real money, the costume makers are on minimum wage.
I've sold bits of costumes but never a full one, fire gauntlets from a Zuko (Last Airbender) costume to a girl who made a Chandra (MtG) costume using the system and various weapons, also sold a few painted armies but only really managed to make my paint collection not cost anything.
Finding the money in your skills is the hard part.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Something about the second picture isn't right.
Might just be a touch up but something has been done with a computer.
As for the part about turning cosplay (or any creative hobby for that matter) into money it is achievable but you're competing for the buck with other people who do the same and your target market make their own. Chasing the dream to Hollywood you find out that only the costume designers make real money, the costume makers are on minimum wage.
I've sold bits of costumes but never a full one, fire gauntlets from a Zuko (Last Airbender) costume to a girl who made a Chandra (MtG) costume using the system and various weapons, also sold a few painted armies but only really managed to make my paint collection not cost anything.
Finding the money in your skills is the hard part.

They have a bit of time and you are right, all of them have been sligthy photoshopped for some after effects (dust and similar) i rememver seeing the original ones and are still amazing albeit bit less spectacular.

 LemanRuse wrote:


Why the hostility, bro?

Let's break it down, shall we Neckbeard? I'll use numbers so you can follow along.

#1 - For some reason, I always get annoyed at cosplay. It probably has a lot to do with the fact that many of them have no real concept of the source material.

#2 - the fact that most of us who spend time building, painting and playing with our toy soldiers actually have a pretty good grasp of the source material, as opposed to most cosplayers.

#3 - Nah, they are too busy talking about how they don't want to sell out the purity of their "art" by making a living doing it in movies and tv. This thread has done a great job of reminding me why I find cosplay people so annoying.

LOL

#4 -

 LemanRuse wrote:

Tycho wrote:


I began my career in FX for film and theme parks - these days, there's both more money and more creativity in cosplay. Unless you WANT to work 22hours a day for what (after union dues) ends up being slightly less than minimum wage. With no benefits ... lol

This costume is pretty awesome though! Thanks for sharing!

LOL

You can't be serious.

Movies and TV is a multi-billion dollar industry. They actually pay people to make costumes. And you are full of crap when you say they are making less than minimum wage. Yes there are long hours, but please. People make a very good living doing FX for movies and TV.

Cosplay is a hobby that people do at comicbook conventions. Who exactly is paying them?

#1. You start out with a sweeping, backhand dismissal of a large portion of our nerdy community. You have the audacity to say that it's "Fact" that many of the cosplayers out there have no real concept of the source material. This is not only dismissive of other people's knowledge, but sets up yourself as an expert. Neckbeard fallacy #1.

#2. Same as number 1.

#3. I don't believe that you've ever actually had a conversation with a cosplayer that said the don't want to work in FX because they would be sell outs. However, for some reason you have it in your head that all cosplayers must have some hippy reasoning for not selling their art to people. How do you know they don't? I have seen lots of vendors at conventions like GenCon and RenFairs selling their art. Some travel from town to town, festival to festival, doing exactly what you say that don't do. Making a living or just having fun. You're showing your ignorance by thinking that TV and Movies must be the only financial outlet for them. Furthermore, as I've said to BAPP, take a look at ebay for the plethora of people making money off cosplay. They've made about $1500 off me. Speaking of a topic as though you are an expert but not actually having any experience is Neckbeard fallacy #2. Additionally, you got another shot in about how annoying cosplayers are. But you're the victim here.

#4. This is your most egregious error. Tycho actually has experience in the field. Tycho, more than you and I combined, has worked in the "costume industry". Yet you dismiss his testimonial and experience with "LOL, you can't be serious!" You then go on and on about movies being a multi-million dollar industry and that people make way more than minimum wages working for them. Do you actually know that as a fact? No, you don't. Tycho, however, likely has friends or contacts in the film industry. Tycho, unlike you, actually knows what he's talking about. Being dismissive of actual experts that don't support your world view is Neckbeard fallacy #3.

 LemanRuse wrote:

Nah, I see no need to report someone for something as silly as this. Life is too short to get pissed off at what people say on an internet forum. And my skin is not that thin.

Water under the bridge.

Oh, really?

Did I trigger you, snowflake?

This is fun seeing how triggered you are. Throwing a nice little tantrum, hurling insults, and pretending you are a tough guy adult.

The real world is going to eat your lunch.

That's the real world, snowflake.

Yes, you're a paragon of patience and level headedness. Denial is Neckbeard Fallacy #4.


Thanks for playing!


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 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Something about the second picture isn't right.
Might just be a touch up but something has been done with a computer.

The smoke effects are likely, possibly from a computer. I'm no expert on that, though.

Amazing work, for sure!


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 Dakka Wolf wrote:

As for the part about turning cosplay (or any creative hobby for that matter) into money it is achievable but you're competing for the buck with other people who do the same and your target market make their own. Chasing the dream to Hollywood you find out that only the costume designers make real money, the costume makers are on minimum wage.

Unfortunately, he's not interested in testimonials from people with experience or actual facts. Which is a shame and rather sad.

 kronk wrote:

 LemanRuse wrote:


Why the hostility, bro?

Let's break it down, shall we Neckbeard? I'll use numbers so you can follow along.

#1 - For some reason, I always get annoyed at cosplay. It probably has a lot to do with the fact that many of them have no real concept of the source material.

#2 - the fact that most of us who spend time building, painting and playing with our toy soldiers actually have a pretty good grasp of the source material, as opposed to most cosplayers.

#3 - Nah, they are too busy talking about how they don't want to sell out the purity of their "art" by making a living doing it in movies and tv. This thread has done a great job of reminding me why I find cosplay people so annoying.

LOL

#4 -

 LemanRuse wrote:

Tycho wrote:


I began my career in FX for film and theme parks - these days, there's both more money and more creativity in cosplay. Unless you WANT to work 22hours a day for what (after union dues) ends up being slightly less than minimum wage. With no benefits ... lol

This costume is pretty awesome though! Thanks for sharing!

LOL

You can't be serious.

Movies and TV is a multi-billion dollar industry. They actually pay people to make costumes. And you are full of crap when you say they are making less than minimum wage. Yes there are long hours, but please. People make a very good living doing FX for movies and TV.

Cosplay is a hobby that people do at comicbook conventions. Who exactly is paying them?

#1. You start out with a sweeping, backhand dismissal of a large portion of our nerdy community. You have the audacity to say that it's "Fact" that many of the cosplayers out there have no real concept of the source material. This is not only dismissive of other people's knowledge, but sets up yourself as an expert. Neckbeard fallacy #1.

#2. Same as number 1.

#3. I don't believe that you've ever actually had a conversation with a cosplayer that said the don't want to work in FX because they would be sell outs. However, for some reason you have it in your head that all cosplayers must have some hippy reasoning for not selling their art to people. How do you know they don't? I have seen lots of vendors at conventions like GenCon and RenFairs selling their art. Some travel from town to town, festival to festival, doing exactly what you say that don't do. Making a living or just having fun. You're showing your ignorance by thinking that TV and Movies must be the only financial outlet for them. Furthermore, as I've said to BAPP, take a look at ebay for the plethora of people making money off cosplay. They've made about $1500 off me. Speaking of a topic as though you are an expert but not actually having any experience is Neckbeard fallacy #2. Additionally, you got another shot in about how annoying cosplayers are. But you're the victim here.

#4. This is your most egregious error. Tycho actually has experience in the field. Tycho, more than you and I combined, has worked in the "costume industry". Yet you dismiss his testimonial and experience with "LOL, you can't be serious!" You then go on and on about movies being a multi-million dollar industry and that people make way more than minimum wages working for them. Do you actually know that as a fact? No, you don't. Tycho, however, likely has friends or contacts in the film industry. Tycho, unlike you, actually knows what he's talking about. Being dismissive of actual experts that don't support your world view is Neckbeard fallacy #3.

 LemanRuse wrote:

Nah, I see no need to report someone for something as silly as this. Life is too short to get pissed off at what people say on an internet forum. And my skin is not that thin.

Water under the bridge.

Oh, really?

Did I trigger you, snowflake?

This is fun seeing how triggered you are. Throwing a nice little tantrum, hurling insults, and pretending you are a tough guy adult.

The real world is going to eat your lunch.

That's the real world, snowflake.

Yes, you're a paragon of patience and level headedness. Denial is Neckbeard Fallacy #4.


Thanks for playing!

LOL

I really pissed kronk off.

My "water under the bridge" quote actually came after the snowflake quote, so, you are misrepresenting the timeline. Don't be that guy. It just makes you look douchie.

I have been around plenty of cosplayers, and most of the ones I have met had no concept of the source material. They just liked the way the character looked. That's been my experience at dozens of conventions.

I live in Atlanta and I know a few people in the film and tv industry. They make good money. And they love being a part of the magic. A couple are grips, a few are production assistants, and a few are in SFX and sets. Atlanta is hot in film and tv right now. So I will go on what my friends in the industry tell me. One of my friends used to work at Cartoon Network: Adult Swim, and he was one of the best cosplayers I have ever met. He ended up quitting his job to get a gig on the walking dead. He worked his way up into props and SFX. He loves it. So it is not like my opinion or suggestion comes from thin air. And he can't stand most cosplayers either for the same reason I mentioned.

You've done nothing but insult me and flame me in this thread, so please don't preach about me being level headed. You've called me a neckbeard, which has to be the lamest hipster insult ever created (what does that even mean?), called me uneducated, unemployed, and ignorant, which is wrong on every level.

I'm really scratching my head as to why you got so hateful about my opinions on this, and came out guns blazing. If I had to guess, I imagine you have been bullied pretty hard for being a nerd, which makes you a pathetic internet tough guy. I mean you are afraid of going to your FLGS because you don't like hearing opinions you don't agree with. Like I said earlier, you are very fragile, and probably shouldn't be on internet forums if contrary opinions get your panties in a bunch.

You're really making a fool of yourself.

But carry on. Show dakka what a pathetic douchebag you are.