Howling Banshee cosplay

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**MinscS2**

Saw this some months ago, it's absolutely awesome.

The only thing that bugs me is the ears.
Those are clearly more inspired by Nightelven or Blood/Highelven ears from the Warcraft universe, than Eldar ears.

...That's a sentence I never thought I'd say.

**morganfreeman**

And here I was making great pains to keep it civil and not point out that Leman seemed to be incapable of interpreting other people's posts while mindlessly repeating himself. Then wander back to the thread a few hours later and find out it's turned into a fething slaughter. Damn.

LemanRuse wrote:

My "water under the bridge" quote actually came after the snowflake quote, so, you are misrepresenting the timeline. Don't be that guy. It just makes you look douchie.

Straw man, false cause, appeal to emotion, ad hominem (admittedly you didn't start this one), tu quoque, personal incredulity, and the list goes on. You yourself have committed an impressive list of logical fallacies both before and after Kronk showed up, and by the time he started chewing on your ass you were already proving to be quite the douche canoe. I think a single out of order quote can be chalked up as an accident, though if intentional he's still got a long way to go before he'll catch up with you.

**LemanRuse**

morganfreeman wrote:
And here I was making great pains to keep it civil and not point out that Leman seemed to be incapable of interpreting other people's posts while mindlessly repeating himself. Then wander back to the thread a few hours later and find out it's turned into a fething slaughter. Damn.

LemanRuse wrote:

My "water under the bridge" quote actually came after the snowflake quote, so, you are misrepresenting the timeline. Don't be that guy. It just makes you look douchie.

Straw man, false cause, appeal to emotion, ad hominem (admittedly you didn't start this one), tu quoque, personal incredulity, and the list goes on. You yourself have committed an impressive list of logical fallacies both before and after Kronk showed up, and by the time he started chewing on your ass you were already proving to be quite the douche canoe. I think a single out of order quote can be chalked up as an accident, though if intentional he's still got a long way to go before he'll catch up with you.

I didn't attack or flame anyone in this thread.

I gave my opinion. I responded to other people's opinions. That's all. Hell I even agreed that the costume was cool. I just spoke my mind based on my personal experience.

I wasn't rude. I didn't hurl insults. I didn't get personal. I let most of the snarky comments slide. Sure I did claim some users were white knighting cosplay, but so what? Were they not?

I'm not sure where you get that I was making any straw man arguments, tu quoque (new one for me, but I didn't major in philosophy and the only logic classes I have ever taken were discrete math and discrete structures), and the rest of them you mentioned. If anything, the people who were disagreeing with me were guilty of such arguments, of course most of them didn't go ad hominem like kronk.

I mean, you are calling me a douche because you disagree with me, and because I actually joined in a conversation with a contrary opinion. That is not tolerant or mature on any level.

**motyak**

Keep it polite in this thread. Now.

**mrhappyface**

This thread, this is why we can't have nice things.

**Verviedi**

Well, noted. If a friend or I ever gets in cosplay, do not post on dakka.

**Frazzled**

kronk wrote:
LemanRuse wrote:

But to the point I was trying to make before everyone decided to white knight for cosplay, is that if cosplay people used their skills at FX and costuming to work in film and TV, they could make a decent living through something that began as a hobby.

Everyone fething understood your point, neck beard. No reason to say it 15 fething times.

Maybe she's a fething nurse and gets satisfaction working with sick people. She does this on the side?

Maybe she lives in fething Iowa. How many TV and film FX jobs are in fething Iowa?

Or maybe you should go back to playing WOW in your mom's basement until you mature a bit more.

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LemanRuse wrote:

Nah, they are too busy talking about how they don't want to sell out the purity of their "art" by making a living doing it in movies and tv. This thread has done a great job of reminding me why I find cosplay people so annoying.

This thread has also reminded me of why I don't "hang out" in FLGS's. There is always some opinionated neck beard with no job, skills, or education that is an expert in all manner of topics.

And my expert, I mean completely full of gak.

Uh oh looks like Kronk escaped from the OT cellar again. Bad Kronk! Bad Kronk!

My daughter cosplay's if others don't like it, she literally could care less.

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skycapt44 wrote:
Hilarity aside from the roasting back and forth (kronk well played) this costume is stellar and the model looks amazing supporting that gear. Kudos to the designer. Let's just state the obvious for what it's worth and leave it at this costume is well done and perfectly captures the same look from the DOW3 video to a T.
Excellent.

here here. Kudos on all fronts.

**kronk**

MinscS2 wrote:
Saw this some months ago, it's absolutely awesome.

The only thing that bugs me is the ears.
Those are clearly more inspired by Nightelven or Blood/Highelven ears from the Warcraft universe, than Eldar ears.

...That's a sentence I never thought I'd say.

fair point. But that bone sword is ballin'.

**Skerr**

LemanRuse wrote:
BBAP wrote:
LemanRuse wrote:

It makes me wonder why these people put so much energy into a subculture instead of putting it towards being special effects technicians and costumers for movies and TV.

Maybe they're happy doing what they do purely for fun. Radical idea I know, using your time for something that generates no discernible source of income, but hey. Turning your hobby into a paycheque is great if you can do it under your own steam, but that's exceptionally difficult, and doing it to someone else's specifications would probably turn it into a chore fairly quickly. I'd hate to lose something I'm passionate about in pursuit of a lousy income stream.

I think you misunderstand me.

I get the doing it for fun part. That's what all hobbies are done for...fun and passion.

Many cosplay people could turn their hobby into a paycheck by doing it in movies and TV. I would imagine that cosplay people have a better chance of breaking into their industry than writers, artists, and musicians. There are tons of opportunities for good and creative FX people. Are you actually saying that would be a bad thing, to make a living doing what you love to do as a hobby?

I love writing fiction (horror, sci-fi, and fantasy), and if I could ever make a living selling short stories, comicbooks and novels, I would quit my day job in a heartbeat. You speak of a hobby becoming a chore if you had to do it to someone else's specifications. That's called work. Most of us have jobs that pay the bills. We get paid to perform work to other people's specifications. I write software, and as much as I love doing it, I would much rather write books, movies, and comics. And guess what, I would still have to work according to an editor/director/publisher's specifications, at least to a certain extent. That's the real world. But I cannot imagine how doing something I love as a hobby, and getting paid for it, would become any more of a chore than working a normal job. If anything, I would take less money to write fiction for a living, as opposed to coding for a living, and I really enjoy my job as a programmer.

You sound like someone's cranky dad. "When are you going to stop playing with that crap and get a real job?!"

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Great pics btw...

**DeffDred**

A side note on FX earnings.

It's not much. My brother in-law designed Doc Octopus tentacles for Spider-Man 2.

He told me something like those was months of stress and left everyone hating their jobs.

You don't get to make them how you want. First you come up with a great idea and everyone loves it. Then the prop team say it needs to be longer, smaller, narrower or whatever. So you make changes.

Then the director says they need to change because there is going to be a scene on the side of a building and the camera will need to see something cool from angle x, y or z.

Then the costume designers need to have you go back to the drawing board because the props need to be lower on the back and that changes two major design concepts.

Then you have to change the color. Then the shape. Then the purpose.

His original sketches are 100% different than what ended up in the movie.

When I asked if I should get into that feild his reply was "Absolutely not. The pay sucks, there's no work and you're competing against thousands of other artists that don't know what they're doing".

**JamesY**

DeffDred wrote:
A side note on FX earnings.

It's not much. My brother in-law designed Doc Octopus tentacles for Spider-Man 2.

He told me something like those was months of stress and left everyone hating their jobs.

You don't get to make them how you want. First you come up with a great idea and everyone loves it. Then the prop team say it needs to be longer, smaller, narrower or whatever. So you make changes.

Then the director says they need to change because there is going to be a scene on the side of a building and the camera will need to see something cool from angle x, y or z.

Then the costume designers need to have you go back to the drawing board because the props need to be lower on the back and that changes two major design concepts.

Then you have to change the color. Then the shape. Then the purpose.

His original sketches are 100% different than what ended up in the movie.

When I asked if I should get into that feild his reply was "Absolutely not. The pay sucks, there's no work and you're competing against thousands of other artists that don't know what they're doing".

Agreed. A chap I used to be friends with used to design costumes for film, tv, and the west end, (Tim Heywood costume designer for anyone interested enough to check out his work and cv). Amazingly talented man, and has worked all over the world. Whilst his finances were not of my business, nor of my interest, he lived in the same neighborhood as me, and in a house not much bigger than the one I bought on a retail wage. Talent and income don't always rise together, and industry earnings aren't shared equally amongst the talent.

**Skerr**

Having a little fun. No offence intended.